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God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).

Let us obtain the definition of "repent" from Strong's Greek: 3340. μετανοέω (metanoeó) -- to change one's mind or purpose (biblehub.com/greek/3340.htm containing Strongs and HELPS Word Studies)

Repent: think differently afterwards

metanoé? (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noié?, "think") ? properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards") (def from 3340. metanoeó HELPS Word-studies section).

Unbelievers do not change their minds to choose toward Jesus (John 15:16), rather Jesus commands to think differently afterwards: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17)

The word "repent" does not mean "I free-will change my mind" as asserted by too many people. Try reciting the words of Jesus, where He is commanding the people in Matthew 4:17, except, first, replace the word "repent" with "I change my mind", then, second, replace the word "repent" with "think differently afterwards". God does not change (Malachi 3:6), so this One True God Jesus commands repent.

Considering the relationship between the "mind" and "thinking", we believers are born from above (John 3:3), in like manner given the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16).

Mind of Christ. See "mind".

Now, on to "thinking" which is contained in "repent".

The Greek word metanoeó is the English word "repent" in Matthew 4:17. Godly sorrow brings "thinking differently afterward" leading to salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10, so God's power generates this sorrow within the believers hence God calls it "Godly sorrow" thus illuminating and magnifying sin (Romans 5:20).

No place in scripture is it recorded that man grants himself repentance; on the other hand, in scripture it is recorded that God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).

Repentance is not a choice? I’ll prove that with scripture no problem.


“But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:20-21‬ ‭NASB
 
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Where did I say anything about controlling thought? I didn’t. I’m sure God can intervene without thought control.
Not according to calvinism.

”He testifies that He creates light and darkness, forms good and evil (Isaiah 45:7); that no evil happens which He hath not done (Amos 3:6). Let them tell me whether God exercises His judgments willingly or unwillingly.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 18, Paragraph 3)
But those who, while they profess to be the disciples of Christ, still seek for free-will in man, notwithstanding of his being lost and drowned in spiritual destruction, labor under manifold delusion, making a heterogeneous mixture of inspired doctrine and philosophical opinions, and so erring as to both.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 15, Paragraph 8)
 
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Unbelievers do not change their minds to choose toward Jesus (John 15:16), rather Jesus commands to think differently afterwards: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17)
Can't follow a command if we have no freedom to do so. That would be God following himself.
 
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Not according to calvinism.

”He testifies that He creates light and darkness, forms good and evil (Isaiah 45:7); that no evil happens which He hath not done (Amos 3:6). Let them tell me whether God exercises His judgments willingly or unwillingly.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 18, Paragraph 3)
But those who, while they profess to be the disciples of Christ, still seek for free-will in man, notwithstanding of his being lost and drowned in spiritual destruction, labor under manifold delusion, making a heterogeneous mixture of inspired doctrine and philosophical opinions, and so erring as to both.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 15, Paragraph 8)


Good Day, Renniks

Rather than quoting John Calvin out of context... as happens often here

Hamster asked a direct question - Where did I say anything about controlling thought? I didn’t. I’m sure God can intervene without thought control.

can you answer...

In Him,

Bill
 
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Good Day, Renniks

Rather than quoting John Calvin out of context... as happens often here

Hamster asked a direct question - Where did I say anything about controlling thought? I didn’t. I’m sure God can intervene without thought control.

can you answer...

In Him,

Bill
Out of context, lol.
Hamsster proposes that God stop all sin. That would certainly require mind control, because sin is not merely something we do. Jesus made it clear that every wrong thought is sin. What is so astounding about Calvinism, is that it proposes that God does control each and every thought yet man still sins horribly.
 
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God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).

Let us obtain the definition of "repent" from Strong's Greek: 3340. μετανοέω (metanoeó) -- to change one's mind or purpose (biblehub.com/greek/3340.htm containing Strongs and HELPS Word Studies)

Repent: think differently afterwards

metanoé? (from 3326 /metá, "changed after being with" and 3539 /noié?, "think") ? properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind"; to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards") (def from 3340. metanoeó HELPS Word-studies section).

Unbelievers do not change their minds to choose toward Jesus (John 15:16), rather Jesus commands to think differently afterwards: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17)

The word "repent" does not mean "I free-will change my mind" as asserted by too many people. Try reciting the words of Jesus, where He is commanding the people in Matthew 4:17, except, first, replace the word "repent" with "I change my mind", then, second, replace the word "repent" with "think differently afterwards". God does not change (Malachi 3:6), so this One True God Jesus commands repent.

Considering the relationship between the "mind" and "thinking", we believers are born from above (John 3:3), in like manner given the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16).

Mind of Christ. See "mind".

Now, on to "thinking" which is contained in "repent".

The Greek word metanoeó is the English word "repent" in Matthew 4:17. Godly sorrow brings "thinking differently afterward" leading to salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10, so God's power generates this sorrow within the believers hence God calls it "Godly sorrow" thus illuminating and magnifying sin (Romans 5:20).

No place in scripture is it recorded that man grants himself repentance; on the other hand, in scripture it is recorded that God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).

Oh and there’s also 2 Peter 3:9


“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭NASB‬‬
 
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Repentance is not a choice? I’ll prove that with scripture no problem.


“But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:20-21‬ ‭NASB

You just proved that there is no mention of choose nor it's conjugates in ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:20-21.

No place in scripture is it recorded that man grants himself repentance; on the other hand, in scripture it is recorded that God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).
 
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Not according to calvinism.

”He testifies that He creates light and darkness, forms good and evil (Isaiah 45:7); that no evil happens which He hath not done (Amos 3:6). Let them tell me whether God exercises His judgments willingly or unwillingly.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 18, Paragraph 3)
But those who, while they profess to be the disciples of Christ, still seek for free-will in man, notwithstanding of his being lost and drowned in spiritual destruction, labor under manifold delusion, making a heterogeneous mixture of inspired doctrine and philosophical opinions, and so erring as to both.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 15, Paragraph 8)
You’re going through a lot of trouble to avoid the question. So I’ll have to take it that you don’t really want to answer.
 
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Out of context, lol.
Hamsster proposes that God stop all sin. That would certainly require mind control, because sin is not merely something we do. Jesus made it clear that every wrong thought is sin. What is so astounding about Calvinism, is that it proposes that God does control each and every thought yet man still sins horribly.
Again, you are assuming mind control. Couldn’t God just stopped the serpent? Or not create him? Or not make a law about eating the fruit? He could have any of those without this alleged mind control.
 
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Oh and there’s also 2 Peter 3:9


“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭NASB‬‬
Who is “you”?
 
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Oh and there’s also 2 Peter 3:9

“The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Second Peter is a letter written to the believers. That "you" refers to people of whom God chooses (John 15:16).

There is no mention of man granting himself repentance.

No place in scripture is it recorded that man grants himself repentance; on the other hand, in scripture it is recorded that God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).
 
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Can't follow a command if we have no freedom to do so. That would be God following himself.

Please supply a scripture reference.

Let me give you an example of the Apostle Peter talking about command "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" (Acts 15:10).
 
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You just proved that there is no mention of choose nor it's conjugates in ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:20-21.

No place in scripture is it recorded that man grants himself repentance; on the other hand, in scripture it is recorded that God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).

Jesus just said He gave her time to repent AND SHE DOES NOT WANT TO. Are you familiar with the definition of the word want? I know God grants repentance I’ve already said that several times. God has given everyone the ability to repent. Acts 11:8 is when the Gentiles received their ability to repent. Not all of them did tho did they? 2 Peter 3:9 God desire that all men repent and that none should perish. It would be pretty stupid to want everyone to repent and then burn everyone in the lake of fire for all eternity who didn’t repent because God didn’t give them the ability to do so. God’s not stupid. I can’t even fathom how anyone would even consider such nonsense. It’s completely beyond my comprehension.
 
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Again, you are assuming mind control. Couldn’t God just stopped the serpent? Or not create him? Or not make a law about eating the fruit? He could have any of those without this alleged mind control.
Very good. God gave Adam and Eve only one way to sin, yet He could have made the tree with ugly smelly fruit, having only the knowledge to spit ten feet, placed it on a high steep cliff, and without satan around, so Adam and Eve could have been kept from doing this one sin, without having to “control” their minds, so why did God not do that?

Adam and Eve were made “very good” by God’s standard of “very good”, so would that not mean: “As good as two human beings could be made, but not perfect like Christ is perfect since God cannot create a being that has always existed?

Could Adam and Eve be lacking something which Christ has and God could not create/program within them from the beginning, so they like all of us were placed on earth to obtain which cannot be obtained in heaven?
 
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Second Peter is a letter written to the believers. That "you" refers to people of whom God's chooses (John 15:16).

There is no mention of man granting himself repentance.

No place in scripture is it recorded that man grants himself repentance; on the other hand, in scripture it is recorded that God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).

John 15:16 is referring to Jesus’ 11 faithful apostles whom He Himself hand picked. The context does not support anyone outside of the 11 apostles. Revelation 2:20-21 is very clear.

Just as you said the “you” is referring to saved people in 2 Peter 3:9 the “you” in John 15:16 is referring to His 11 faithful apostles.
 
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Second Peter is a letter written to the believers. That "you" refers to people of whom God's chooses (John 15:16).

There is no mention of man granting himself repentance.

No place in scripture is it recorded that man grants himself repentance; on the other hand, in scripture it is recorded that God grants repentance (Acts 11:18).

2 Peter 3:9 gives the same message as 1 Timothy 2:3-4.


“This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Again God desires all men to be saved yet He doesn’t allow all men to repent?
 
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2 Peter 3:9 gives the same message as 1 Timothy 2:3-4.


“This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Again God desires all men to be saved yet He doesn’t allow all men to repent?
The context of 1 Tim 2 should lead us to believe that by “all men”, Paul was referring to all types of men. I can be clearer if need be.
 
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Jesus just said He gave her time to repent AND SHE DOES NOT WANT TO. Are you familiar with the definition of the word want? I know God grants repentance I’ve already said that several times. God has given everyone the ability to repent. Acts 11:8 is when the Gentiles received their ability to repent. Not all of them did tho did they? 2 Peter 3:9 God desire that all men repent and that none should perish. It would be pretty stupid to want everyone to repent and then burn everyone in the lake of fire for all eternity who didn’t repent because God didn’t give them the ability to do so. God’s not stupid. I can’t even fathom how anyone would even consider such nonsense. It’s completely beyond my comprehension.
She, Jezebel in ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:20-21, is part of prophecy given to the Apostle John, and you are trying to build salvation doctrine off of it. That is very precarious ground.

The ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭2:20-21 does not indicate the ability to repent for Jezebel.

Respecting 2 Peter 3:9, Peter refers to God's chosen persons when he wrote "you" in the verse, so God wants all God's chosen persons to repent, and every single one of God's chosen persons will be saved from the wrath of God.
 
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