I was specifically responding to a post that claimed that getting an ID or driver's license was easy because it just required a birth certificate and proof of residence. If you don't care to discuss that, then you can ignore my post.
Because it is on election day that the fraud is most likely to occur. In order to register, you have to go somewhere and present something on almost any day of the year. You are checked out to the satisfaction of the clerk. There is no rush.
I registered to vote by signing my name to a piece of paper on a clipboard handed to me by some guy standing in front of the grocery store. No ID required.
After the official checks to see if I am on the rolls I have to sign my name which the official compares to a copy of my signature on another form* which I can't see. Then I vote.
Funny story about this - when my mom got her RealID last year, they told her that she had to sign her full legal name (first, middle, last) as the signature. At the same time, they updated her voter registration to that signature without telling her. So when she went to vote in November, she was denied because her normal signature is first, middle initial, last, and she didn't realize it had been changed.
I wonder how many people are consistent with their signature anyway? I know I am not and if someone registered 10 years ago I wonder if that signature still matches their current iteration.
But I hope you can see why I think that at least some of that whining about potential fraud is fakery. In the scenario I gave you--true in my personal experience in Illinois and New Mexico--the place to tighten it up would be at registration, not by imposing last-minute ID requirements at the polling place. But the Republicans don't want to go that route.
No, I honestly cannot. The proposals (and we do admit that they are not the same from state to state) are so modest, would cost the voter nothing, cause so little inconvenience, that if they prevented even one false vote count, one election of a person that the people who were entitled to vote did not choose...
In this day of rampant identity theft, you don't think that any of it could be going on at the polls? We know that it does. That's been shown to be so. There have been prosecutions and convictions.
And in the meantime do nothing about what are proven to be substantially more significant kinds of voter fraud.
Oh, I think you're right. Republicans don't want to do anything about absentee ballot fraud, for instance, one of the leading sources of abuse. I wonder why?
2,068 cases? My word, how can we ever withstand such an onslaught. Truly, this is the great concern of our time.But I hope you can see why I think that at least some of that whining about potential fraud is fakery. In the scenario I gave you--true in my personal experience in Illinois and New Mexico--the place to tighten it up would be at registration, not by imposing last-minute ID requirements at the polling place. But the Republicans don't want to go that route.
Take a look at these numbers:
Voter impersonation is the least of our problems--but it's the only one Republicans want to solve.
Of which only 10 would have been prevented by the voter ID laws being proposed by the GOP.
I was, or thought I was, very clearly speaking about national media types who push a certain agenda. I wasn't talking about you.
Sorry, no disrespect intended toward you nor her, but you can get a replacement that is acceptable. Besides, a drivers license and a couple of monthly bills, the deed to a property, a rent agreement... there are plenty of ways to prove who you are that will prevent voting more than once or the dead voting at all.
And with this we are done too. Why can't people just have a nice adult conversation without being mean? Take care.
A photo ID is what is being proposed for voting. The items you listed may be acceptable in some states for obtaining the state ID or DL, prior to election day.. but they would not be acceptable at a polling location as none of them are photo IDs.Besides, a drivers license and a couple of monthly bills, the deed to a property, a rent agreement... there are plenty of ways to prove who you are that will prevent voting more than once or the dead voting at all.
You actually can't in cases like that. There was literally no record of her birth whatsoever. She wasn't born in a hospital, so no hospital records, and this was log, long before any form of digital record-keeping. If you contact your local records office to obtain a copy of your birth certificate, they have to go find the original in their files, copy it, and mail a new one to you. In her case, the original no longer exists.Sorry, no disrespect intended toward you nor her, but you can get a replacement that is acceptable. Besides, a drivers license and a couple of monthly bills, the deed to a property, a rent agreement... there are plenty of ways to prove who you are that will prevent voting more than once or the dead voting at all.
Apologies, that was directed at the previous poster who was accusing me of the same.
