Calvin quote

solid_core said:

Whatever, so, if you need it rephrased:

When Scripture says "cannot", does it mean absolute inability like "a triangle cannot have more than 3 angles"

Or just a rhetorical inability like to say "Bob is a liar, so I cannot trust him"?

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I'm gonna jump in here, OK, got nothing better to do right now anyway...

I would take it to mean that those who are only following after, and are only ever pursuing, or are only ever desiring to fulfill only the lusts of the flesh ever, and only what that tells or dictates to them only ever, and are not having nor are pursuing nor are seeking after any of the desires of the Spirit at all ever, anyway, those doing that, 100% cannot please God ever, while they are still staying stuck in only just that ever, etc, cannot please God ever, etc.

I would not take it to mean that a person "in process" can't ever please God ever though, or none of us can please God while still in the flesh ever, etc, cause we're all "in process" still and still sin some still, and never do not 100% ever not sin anymore ever at all ever, this side of life ever, etc, anyway, I do not think it can possibly mean, nor should ever be twisted into meaning or saying ever, that any person who ever sins at all anymore ever cannot ever please God ever, etc, or none of us ever can or will or do ever, etc, so I do not think it can ever possibly ever mean that, and I don't think anyone should ever try and twist it into meaning or saying that ever either, ever, etc, or else we're all screwed, and not one single one of us can ever please God ever, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Hammster said:

The sinner gets justice. The believer gets grace and mercy.

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Who is the sinner? and who is or are the believers?

Remember, anything that is not of faith is sin.

So, who is or are the sinners, and who is or are the believers?

God Bless!

Hammster said:

The sinner gets justice. The believer gets grace and mercy.

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Its not justice to punish him for what he does if he is absolutely predetermined to do what he does.

Hammster said:

Saved/not saved.

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K, who is saved/not saved?

Whatever is not of faith is sin, and for a person who knows to do a good or righteous or right thing and does not do it every single time, for them it is sin, etc.

Hammster said:

True.

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So you either do not believe in absolute inability or you do not believe that God is just.

But you are very unclear in your statements.

Hammster said:

Sheep are saved. Goats are not.

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K, who is or are the sheep, and who is the goats, and which one are you...?

Whatever is not of faith is sin, and for a person who knows to do a good or righteous or right thing and does not do it every single time and all of the time, every single time, for them it is sin, etc.

zoidar said:

I agree!

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God defines himself in scripture. We worship an idol if our ideas do not line up.

Hammster said:

What do you mean by absolute inability?

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- a triangle to have more than 3 angles
- 2+2 to be 5
- two contradictory truths valid in the same time

etc.

Hammster said:

And your criticism is that I don’t believe that?

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My criticism is that you are unwilling to define the terms you are using.

Hammster said:

I gave you an example of what I mean when I say we cannot please in the flesh. What exactly didn’t you understand?

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You not explaining what you mean by using that scripture, and it almost sounds like your using synonymously with meaning a person can never ever please God ever if he or she has any kind of sin at all in their life ever, which is a contradiction to the rest of us, etc...

And that is what were not understanding, etc...?

Not being very clear with your terms or meanings and/or definitions or interpretations, etc...?

Let alone providing any kinds of "explanations", etc...?

God Bless!

@Hammster

Also, you seem to be saying we have to work and work hard to get or desire or somehow attain, etc, but at the same time, saying it is not us and our "working", but God doing the working/choosing/predestining/causing to attain, etc...?

Which is another contradiction and contradictory statement, etc...?

God Bless!

Hammster said:

Believers (those who are saved) can please God. Unbelievers (those who are not saved) cannot please God.

I’m not sure I can make it any simpler.

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By what criteria do or can you judge or determine that, etc...?

How can you tell...? And how can, or do you not condemn or judge your own self in the doing so, etc...?

Who are you calling the believer, or otherwise the unbeliever, etc...?

And what is your basis/reason/motivations/purpose(s) in doing so and/or judging or determining so, etc, and are they "sin", etc...?

And does that exclude you if they are or were sin, etc, etc, etc, so on and so forth, etc...?

Or how does it exclude one if they were sin, etc...?

Anyway,

God Bless!