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Hello! I'm doing an assignment at my Pentecostal Bible College, and need some input from a people across a variety of denominations.

I'm looking for answers to three specific questions:
  • What is your overall impression of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
  • How well do you feel you understand the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
  • Do you feel the overall impact of Pentecostal/Charismatic ministries such as those by Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson has been a positive or negative thing for Christianity?

I want to get a good feel for what the impression of Pentecostalism is across other denominations. Answer as many or as few as you would like, as long or short as you would like - any input is welcome :)

Thank you and have a lovely day!

What is your overall impression of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?

I grew up Pentecostal (Four Square). Today, I have a number of major theological issues with Pentecostalism and Charismaticism in general. I hold no ill will toward my upbringing, I just don't agree with it. That said, Pentecostalism comes in many different flavors.

How well do you feel you understand the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?

Pretty well. I, arguably, have a better grasp on what my old denomination believed than others, just from personal experience.

Do you feel the overall impact of Pentecostal/Charismatic ministries such as those by Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson has been a positive or negative thing for Christianity?

While I have a number of disagreements with the Pentecostal tradition, I think it would be quite unfair to let those mentioned be regarded as representative of most Pentecostals. I consider those mentioned to be charlatans, hucksters, and to be some of the most toxic individuals in the contemporary Christian world. Though I've heard that Hinn has, at least in part, recanted some of his more grotesque teachings.

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Hello! I'm doing an assignment at my Pentecostal Bible College, and need some input from a people across a variety of denominations.

I'm looking for answers to three specific questions:
  • What is your overall impression of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
  • How well do you feel you understand the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
  • Do you feel the overall impact of Pentecostal/Charismatic ministries such as those by Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson has been a positive or negative thing for Christianity?

I want to get a good feel for what the impression of Pentecostalism is across other denominations. Answer as many or as few as you would like, as long or short as you would like - any input is welcome :)

Thank you and have a lovely day!
I've always been mystified by it. It looks very odd to outsiders.

If it's relevant to your assignment, I'm an INTJ and am not given to wild outbursts and outlandish displays of emotion and carrying on. With all due respect to members of those communities, I find that type of worship to be undignified. Cringey, even. However, I suppose extraverts of a certain religious persuasion could be more inclined to express a favorable opinion of this type of worship.

To the limited extent that I've bothered studying their theology and other beliefs, they seem rather similar to the rest of the evangelical world. I am Catholic so obviously I have implied disagreements with that sort of thing.

On related subject, the first thing I and others picture when hearing the words "Pentecostal" or "Charismatic" is their style of worship. And personally, I find that rather unfortunate as I believe that any Christian body should be evaluated based on what they believe rather than how they conduct their business on Sunday mornings. But it appears that most people think more about what this community does rather than what they believe, right or wrong.
 
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It's different now from when I was in my teens. Like with Anthony2019 they were "friendly" with us. At a time when some "ordinary" denominations were vacuous as to beliefs, the pentecostals would openly poach us (I was more inclined to two-time).

I believe in all the spiritual gifts and even in miracles. As talk of miracles has gone hand in hand with mania and sentimentality, I think the occurrence of miracles has decreased.

I think the intellectual calibre among pentecostals generally (as among evangelicals) has declined in the last 40 years.

Lots of churches fancy themselves as evangelical and pentecostal combined and don't check their roots well enough so don't get the best of anything.

In the UK are Elims as well as AOGs. My impression of AOGs is that they are the weakest variety, in rigour and mental stability.

Invite me to qualify my statements for use in your studies.

Your studies will certainly help the variety of pentecostal your college belongs to, to pin down its roots and its friends' roots better.

Incidentally I don't give any credence to any of the four names you've headlined, for varying degrees of personal reason, widely known to be shared with huge numbers of people. You were probably only mentioning them to attract attention to the thread ;) ;) ;)
 
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  • What is your overall impression of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
  • How well do you feel you understand the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
  • Do you feel the overall impact of Pentecostal/Charismatic ministries such as those by Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson has been a positive or negative thing for Christianity?

For the first question, wariness. I see a lot of harm done to Christianity through false teachings or practices. That is not to say that all Charismatic movements or churches are the same, but I've seen some alarming actions or thoughts from several.

As for the second, I'm sure there's plenty I don't know due to lack of research, but I understand enough to have an opinion.

Third question, negative. Some people mock Christianity or use these false teachings as an example of gullible Christians and how Christianity is false. It's damaged those within the faith and those who have not answered the call of faith.
 
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So much good has come from "Pentecostal/Charismatic". The word of God take through out the world.
I understand it very well :)
Yes the overall impact of just those you listed has been great for the kingdom of God.

Didn't go into much detail because we tend to talk about "our" truth not His. We defend stickup for why we are right not His word. God didn't pick those we like or agree with lol He picks the ones that say "yes hear I am". Those that believe ALL the word of God. Look how we treat just some Christian singer. It they sing ONE song that has no verse or JESUS in it. We call for the buss... "Wheres that buss? Get it over here!" ..smile

What I have read and know is Charismatic/Pentecostal one is Ecclesiastical and the other Theological. Both emphasize the present work of the Spirit through the gifts in the life of the individual and the Church. Again yes the over all impact for the gospel by all you listed out weighs the negative. The negative does not come from God but man. All one has to do is list our life sins mistakes all of it compared to we just know about other ministers.

This group so to speak...oh man reaches into every group from Baptist to Catholics. I know Baptist Churches believe in faith and the gifts... jump shout raise their hands.. speak in tongues praise GOD glory to JESUS! Then those that done.. praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS! We can find sin in all.. but what GOOD do they do? What does Christ focus in us? This goes in line with what is talked about here.
 
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What is your overall impression of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?

Luther started a trek back from Catholic superstition, and Biblical Ignorance some 500 years ago, and precept upon precept, and truth upon truth, God is restoring His Church to what it started out as after the Ressurection, and Pentecost. the GOAL is the church of Ephesians 4:13 which isn't even on the radar - yet. The Pentecostal Revival in 1900, and the ensuing Charismatic outpouring in 1963 (or so) are two more steps in the process.
  • How well do you feel you understand the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
As well as any, and better than most.
  • Do you feel the overall impact of Pentecostal/Charismatic ministries such as those by Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson has been a positive or negative thing for Christianity?
I quit listening to ANY of them early in the game - since they were really just the "hollywood crowd". There's a TRUTH in Word-Faith teaching, BUT the "Popular WoF Ministries" don't have anything to do with "FAITH" and dwell of on Methodology, Professions, And Buckets of presumption.

AS a long time Pentecostal/Charismatic member in the Assemblies of God denomination, Give me Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, Malcom Smith, Watchman Nee, Charles Schmitt, and some REAL ministries (nowadays, Joyce Meyer is about as good as it gets on TV). Pastor Greg White at my home church (Crossroads AG in Duncanville TX) shoots as straight as it gets.

I want to get a good feel for what the impression of Pentecostalism is across other denominations.

Easy - they all think we're a bunch of "Loony tunes", and that God Stopped all that "Miraculous stuff" when the bible was canonized and published, and we have NO NEED of any of it in 2020.
 
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Luther started a trek back from Catholic superstition, and Biblical Ignorance some 500 years ago, and precept upon precept, and truth upon truth, God is restoring His Church to what it started out as after the Ressurection, and Pentecost.

This is a massive misunderstanding of the Reformation.


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Maybe someone needed to nail something to Luther's door as well.

What would that be? Luther's 95 Theses dealt with the abuses of the indulgence sellers in Saxony. So which abuses, contrary to the Catholic faith, need to be corrected and proverbially nailed to Luther and/or Lutheranism's door as an invitation for debate?

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What would that be? Luther's 95 Theses dealt with the abuses of the indulgence sellers in Saxony. So which abuses, contrary to the Catholic faith, need to be corrected and proverbially nailed to Luther and/or Lutheranism's door as an invitation for debate?

-CryptoLutheran
I was just reacting to your video. Your characters seemed to disagree with Luther on whether or not the Lord's supper is really the body of Christ, among other things.
 
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Hello! I'm doing an assignment at my Pentecostal Bible College, and need some input from a people across a variety of denominations.

I'm looking for answers to three specific questions:
  • What is your overall impression of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
  • How well do you feel you understand the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement?
  • Do you feel the overall impact of Pentecostal/Charismatic ministries such as those by Benny Hinn, Creflo Dollar, Oral Roberts, and Pat Robertson has been a positive or negative thing for Christianity?

I want to get a good feel for what the impression of Pentecostalism is across other denominations. Answer as many or as few as you would like, as long or short as you would like - any input is welcome :)

Thank you and have a lovely day!
If you can borrow a copy of this book:

Foundations of Pentecostal Theology Hardcover – January 8, 2008
by Guy P. Duffield (Author), Nathaniel M. Van Cleave (Author)

you will find that it gives the best survey of what traditional Pentecostals believe.

There are many flavours of Pentecostalism, from the ultra conservative, to the utterly wacky snake handlers. Some are very similar to Baptists, and others are very much like the rockin and rolling southern black Pentecostal churches. Some outlaw short hair styles, jewellery, types of clothing, etc.

But most Pentecostals I know are godly people who love the Lord and freely enjoy being at church. I left the movement in 1978, because the particular church was elder run with a board of elders, but one wanted to be the head rooster, and caused problems and division, and also there was a lot of character assassination and gossiping. But those things were the fault of some in that particular church and not of Pentecostalism itself.

Pentecostalism allows people to express their worship emotionally, more than other traditional churches. The attitude is that although God is not deaf, but He doesn't suffer from nerves either. There is nothing wrong with singing with gusto and enjoyment, and preaching with conviction, that makes Pentecostal services fun.

I was converted in a Pentecostal church when I was young and felt I was given good discipleship training and sound doctrinal training from faithful, godly pastors who didn't go in for the wacky stuff. Most Pentecostals are firmly based on the gospel - that Jesus died for us on the cross and rose again to give us eternal life.

The difference is that Pentecostals believe in the present day use of the gifts of the Spirit, and when I first joined, prophecy and tongues were very common and none of it was spooky at all. Not for me anyway. So after many years of membership and subsequent association through Pentecostal interdenominational ministries, I think I understand it very well.

Now concerning Copeland, Dollar, and Roberts. I don't know about Pat Robertson. But Copeland, Dollar, and Hin are prosperity and positive confession preachers. I don't consider them mainline Pentecostals. I see them as totally false, and are in it more for the income than the ministry of the gospel. Paul was quite clear in that he opposed preaching the gospel as a money making exercise. My mentor in NZ who runs a prophetic ministry doesn't take a salary from his ministry even though the ministry receives a lot of money to fund it. He is retired and he and his wife live on just the old age government pension. His foundation is on sound Biblical doctrine.

But prosperity teaching is non-Biblical and the only person who makes the money is the preacher himself. Positive confession ("name it and claim it") comes from Norman Vincent Peale's "The power of Positive Thinking" which he says it was dictated to him by the spirits of the great men through the ages. So, it has its foundation in the occult. Also, the teaching that if we confess something and believe hard enough for it to happen, then we are exercising Hindu mind control techniques, which are pagan. We are to ask God for what we need and want and leave it up to His sovereignty. If we could get what we need and want through mind-control, why need God at all? Also, in their meetings, there is a lot of out-of-control public tongues (contrary to Paul's teaching in 1 Corinthians 14), shaking, jerking, falling over, hysterical laughing and other kundalini manifestations that come right out of the Hindu occult demon worship of its gods. I see these men as absolute non-Christian and non-Pentecostal heretics, and should be avoided at all costs.

Oral Roberts was a sound Pentecostal gospel healing evangelist in his younger days, and he wasn't in it for the money. Actually when he died, all he had was a modest condominium and a regular bank balance. But in his later years, he went a bit off the track and made some mistakes, like thinking he had a vision of a 90 foot Jesus telling him to get funds to build a hospital in Tulsa when it was not needed. But the university he founded and had built is one of the most sound Pentecostal teaching facilities in the world and many godly Pentecostal pastors have had their basic training there. But in his heyday, there were genuine miraculous healings, properly attested through medical records, and thousands of souls were saved and went on for the Lord. We are all subject to error at times, and the Lord has to bring us back into line. This is because we are fallible humans.

But Copeland, Dollar, Hin, Meyer are a people apart. They have made sure that they have skimmed as much as they can from their ministries for their personal use, and shows that their motive is not to preach the gospel of Christ but to preach their own perverted gospel as a money maker for themselves.

So, that is my view. Over in the Spirit Filled/Charismatic forum you will see many posts from sound, godly Charismatics and they will give you a good view of the good, bad, and ugly sides of the Charismatic movement.

I trust that this is helpful.
 
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As a former Pentecostal, since you asked for my opinion, I don't think very highly of them and I think they have gone a very long way in harming Christianity.
I don't agree in your blanket condemnation of Pentecostalism. I know there are the good, bad, and ugly sides of it, but the majority of Pentecostals I know personally, a godly, sound, Bible believing Christians who enjoy their faith and worship.

Don't just Pentecostalism by Copeland, Dollar and Hin, and the wacky lunatic fringe stuff that goes on in their services. These men not true gospel preachers at all.
 
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Pentecostalism is no better and no worse than any other "ism" within the Church. As soon as you start identifying with a particular group, you are on the greasy pole of denominationalism.

I've been actively involved with Charismatic and Pentecostal assemblies. I've been involved with some who reject the baptism of the Holy Spirit as a current experience. I do believe that it is for today and people who reject it are missing out on God's best.

The main problem with Pentecostalism is spiritual pride. I was a member of a Pentecostal church for 5 years, ending up as youth leader. I discovered that having spiritual gifts is entirely separate from the fruit of the Spirit. The church was cliquey, immorality was a serious problem and most people were shallow.

Pentecostals were also responsible for introducing and spreading the great deception known as the Toronto Blessing. It infected some Charismatic churches also. This blight still afflicts the church.
I think that any godly movement that draws people to Christ will be attacked by Satan, and Pentecostalism is no exception. We mustn't judge a movement by the lunatic fringe stuff that is the result of demonic occult invasion. The devil doesn't bother to corrupt movements that don't threaten him.
 
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I don't think much of them.. I think their scholarship is poor and their motives are greed.
I have a Pentecostal background and have two postgraduate degrees and I find nothing wrong with basic Pentecostal theology. The greedy ones are an aberration and do not represent mainline Pentecostalism.
 
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I think the OP could safely ignore most of the unbalanced negative criticisms of the Pentecostal movement, and especially the parts where the thread was hijacked with long off-topic posts. The balanced view is to research the good, bad, and ugly about the movement and come to your own conclusions about the movement as a whole and not just the heretical parts of it,
 
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I think that any godly movement that draws people to Christ will be attacked by Satan, and Pentecostalism is no exception. We mustn't judge a movement by the lunatic fringe stuff that is the result of demonic occult invasion. The devil doesn't bother to corrupt movements that don't threaten him.
Amen to that also. Pentecostalism, at least in Australia, has its roots in the Methodist denomination. I do believe that the church generally is a pale shadow of what God intends her to be and what Christ is building. You are more likely to find reality in the churches facing persecution. When being a Christian is life threatening, it rather discourages the fakers from getting involved.
 
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