Womens roles in the church

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Emotionally, physically, and psychologically women are better equipped than men to do many things better. The reverse is also true. To ignore this fact has more to do with self image than equality.

If this were true - and I actually don't believe it is - then it would be an argument for women being ordained, so as to enrich the diversity of gifts, skills and so on available amongst the clergy.
 
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Yes, really. There is much more emotional, physical and psychological diversity across each of the sexes, than between the sexes. (The bell curves for each sex don't quite overlap, but there's much more difference between different men, than between the average man and the average woman).

sacrificing soley for the sake of percieved equality isnt smart.

Sacrificing what?
 
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Yes, really. There is much more emotional, physical and psychological diversity across each of the sexes, than between the sexes. (The bell curves for each sex don't quite overlap, but there's much more difference between different men, than between the average man and the average woman).
this position reminds me of the disaster it is when Pennsylvania's transgender Secretary of Health is on TV talking about Covid 19.
Sacrificing what?
Efficacy
 
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In the case of ordained ministry, no efficacy is lost. Rather, the clergy as a cohort are enriched.
I disagree. And so do the many priests and religious women I have talked to. But, what do they know.

And btw, they all view celibacy as essential and as a gift from God. What backward thinking:priest:
 
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this position reminds me of the disaster it is when Pennsylvania's transgender Secretary of Health is on TV talking about Covid 19. It is still a guy in a wig.

Is this person incompetent or ugly or stutters or wrong politics or wrong religion or is it just the wig?
 
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read what I responded to

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this position reminds me of the disaster it is when Pennsylvania's transgender Secretary of Health is on TV talking about Covid 19. It is still a guy in a wig.

I responded. I still don't know why it is a disaster or why the wig is somehow important.
 
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You said "this position reminds me of the disaster it is when Pennsylvania's transgender Secretary of Health is on TV talking about Covid 19. It is still a guy in a wig."

I responded. I still don't know why it is a disaster or why the wig is somehow important.
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You are, of course, entitled to your interpretation of scripture. However, I also walk in the light of the word, and I do not not believe that the husband is the head of the wife, nor do I believe that she is subject to him in everything. I do believe that in Christ there is neither male nor female. Again, you are entitled to your interpretation.
In Christ are you still a physical man or woman?
 
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You are still a physical man or woman, but in Christ there is neither male nor female.
So, in His eyes, we are all valuable, all equally loved by Him.

That truism, however, does not mean that we are all called to the same roles in His church. The New Testament is explicit in saying this, but I notice that the folks who think that "In Christ there is neither male nor female" settles everything somehow neglect to ever mention that we in the church are also described as being like parts of a body--head, arms, etc.--which are different yet work together for the overall successful functioning of the body (of Christ).

1 Corinthians 12:12-19
"12 The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ. 13 Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles, some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.


14 Yes, the body has many different parts, not just one part. 15 If the foot says, “I am not a part of the body because I am not a hand,” that does not make it any less a part of the body. 16 And if the ear says, “I am not part of the body because I am not an eye,” would that make it any less a part of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, how would you hear? Or if your whole body were an ear, how would you smell anything?

18 But our bodies have many parts, and God has put each part just where he wants it. 19 How strange a body would be if it had only one part!

Romans 12:4-8:
"For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.
 
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So, in His eyes, we are all valuable, all equally loved by Him.

That truism, however, does not mean that we are all called to the same roles in His church. The New Testament is explicit in saying this, but I notice that the folks who think that "In Christ there is neither male nor female" settles everything somehow neglect to ever mention that we in the church are also described as being like parts of a body--head, arms, etc.--which are different yet work together for the overall successful functioning of the body (of Christ).

Romans 12:4-8:
"For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

And, once again, you are entitled to your interpretation of scripture. I disagree with your interpretation.
 
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It's Paul's interpretation, not mine.
No, Paul recognized female leaders in the church.

You are, of course, entitled to your own interpretation of scripture.
 
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No, Paul recognized female leaders in the church.

That he did!

The issue of womens' role in the church is not as clear cut as some people would think. The letters of Paul, which date to the middle of the first century AD, provide some clues. For example, Paul greets Prisca, Junia, Julia, and Nereus' sister, who worked and traveled as missionaries in pairs with their husbands or brothers (Romans 16:3, 7, 15) as equals and co-workers. Junia is praised as a prominent apostle, imprisoned for her faith. Mary and Persis are commended for their hard work (Romans 16:6, 12). Euodia and Syntyche are called his fellow-workers in the gospel (Philippians 4:2-3). Women were the leaders of house churches (Apphia in Philemon 2; Prisca in I Corinthians 16:19), Lydia of Thyatira (Acts 16:15) and Nympha of Laodicea (Colossians 4:15). Women held offices and played significant roles in group worship, such as the deacon Phoebe (Romans 16:1) and women were certainly praying and prophesying during worship (I Corinthians 11). An order of widows served formal roles of ministry (I Timothy 5:9-10). Women prophets included Mary Magdalene, the Corinthian women, Philip's daughters, Ammia of Philadelphia, Philumene, the visionary martyr Perpetua, Maximilla, Priscilla (Prisca), and Quintilla.
 
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