Coronavirus -- one million in US have been tested -- more than any other country

JacksBratt said:

I don't really trust the numbers that are out there. There are those that have been tested.. those that have the symptoms and are positive tests results, those with mild symptoms and never asked to be tested, those with the symptoms and told to stay home and treat it like it is the flu...

So.. how do you know what the real numbers are. I, personally, know four people that were told not to come in to get tested.. yet had the symptoms... Therefore, they are not even a statistic.

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Exactly, just like the numbers for flu are just a guess. Most people don't ever get tested for the flu. Many (like me) don't even go to the doctors. We have stats for those actually tested, those hospitalized, and those that died...but they aren't dying from Covid19 but rather the complications caused by the virus...they are dying from ARDS. And ARDS, like pneumonia, isn't exclusive to Covid-19.

miamited said:

Hi MM,

Somehow I don't remember quite so much 'villification' over the various African nations when ebola and aids came calling. Are you sure you're being fair in your assessment of the situation and not just grandstanding over China because your mentor tells you that they're bad.

I'm just sayin'.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

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Calling virus by it's location of origination isn't "villification". It is normal way to identify a virus. The Wuhan Coronavirus is an accurate name. The real name is SARS-CoV-2...not exactly easy to say. COVID-19 is really the name for the disease, not the virus (SARS-CoV-2 Infectious Disease of 2019).

And it is truthful to say the US is very dependent on China, a communist country with a dictator leadership. Not a good place to be. We are much more stable now that we aren't dependent on the Middle East for fuel. It just makes sense. We have the ability to make our our products and keep the control of them within the country. It makes more economic and political sense.

And China did tell its people that the virus was given to them by US military.

miamited said:

Really? Can you show me something besides your word that confirms that all mustaches prevent a proper fit of a protective mask?

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Depends on the mustache. The CDC have a helpful guide.

Wow, so many people here who know all about the virus, how to treat it, and what the pandemic is all about. I’m amazed the hospitals that employ you were able to spare you long enough to come here and shower us all with your knowledge about this “bad cold” that’s “like” the flu.

blackribbon said:

South Korea used the SARS tests left over from last years epidemic. They were not COVID-19 specific and they were already in the country.

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They developed new ones as far as I know. Do you have a source for the fact that they have been using all old tests?

blackribbon said:

South Korea used the SARS tests left over from last years epidemic. They were not COVID-19 specific and they were already in the country.

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What was already in the country, the thousands of tests that they quickly administered?

Tropical Wilds said:

Wow, so many people here who know all about the virus, how to treat it, and what the pandemic is all about. I’m amazed the hospitals that employ you were able to spare you long enough to come here and shower us all with your knowledge about this “bad cold” that’s “like” the flu.

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I wish I could give this post more than just one Winner rating.

sfs said:

Depends on the mustache. The CDC have a helpful guide.

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Hi sfs,

Right! That's exactly my point. My mustache is fairly small and thin and would be encased within the confines of the mask. Although I haven't yet received the mask so I can't be sure yet.

@Tropical Wilds

Tropical Wilds said:

Wow, so many people here who know all about the virus, how to treat it, and what the pandemic is all about. I’m amazed the hospitals that employ you were able to spare you long enough to come here and shower us all with your knowledge about this “bad cold” that’s “like” the flu.

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I don't know who you're directing your statement to, as you don't quote anyone in regards to the post, but I am by no means someone who 'knows all about the virus'. As of 3/5 here's what 'livescience' wrote about the issue: A more specialized mask, known as an N95 respirator, can protect against the new coronavirus, also called SARS-CoV-2. The respirator is thicker than a surgical mask, but neither Schaffner nor the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC) recommend it for public use, at least not at this point.

The folks at livescience have now gone in and updated the article with this little bit of 'new' information: Editor's note: Some scientists are now recommending that the public wear face masks in crowded areas. You can read that coverage here.

Here's the website if you want to follow the link: Can wearing a face mask protect you from the new coronavirus? | Live Science

So, it seems that the N95 equivalent masks have long been believed to help prevent the spread. It's one of the reasons that the medical community uses them, but there is now a severe shortage because everyone wants one. I opted to get something that claimed to be at least as effective in its filtering ability. Whether or not it will seal to my face as well as an actual N95 mask is yet to be determined.

Further, new information, in line with the news report I was watching last night, credits the Chinese wearing masks as at least a part of the reason they have gained some semblance of control over the spread of the virus. Now, is @blackribbon correct in all that he has posted? I don't know, I'm just a guy doing Google research on the issue and trying to make an informed decision for my upcoming trip.

This from the linked article in the editor's note:
If you're out for a walk — in essence, going to a setting where you can be at least 6 feet (1.8 meters) from other people, "then I think that not having a mask is fine and that fits the CDC recommendations," Yang said.

But, in his opinion, "If you have to be in a crowded situation, perhaps on a plane or waiting in line at the airport, it might make sense to wear a mask," Yang told Live Science.

That's my scenario.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

sfs said:

Too bad we didn't have that testing capacity when it mattered most.

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Trump raises the alarm but is in the midst of a coup. No one will listen. Massive amounts of time and resources were lost in that debacle.

Our industry capabilities have been almost completely gutted, and was forcing us to consider test kits that had a 47% rate of false positives. They could not be used. Trump has gotten the might of our capitalist system on board to start cranking out goods we need as a country.

The dems were still pushing for the "No Ban Act" and resources were being used in that as well. They also blocked the relief fund 3 times, and would not allow any money go to the Americans in need if they did not get their demands for completely unrelated topic met.

Quite simply, American Democrats do not get to be the obstruction that are causing all sorts of problems, and complain about the problems they have cause as if they are the heros. Get out of Trumps way and there will be no problems. Many of us reconise it is not Trump that is the issue.

Tropical Wilds said:

shower us all with your knowledge about this “bad cold”

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They say many who are tested positive for Covid-19 experience only mild symptoms.

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Mountainmanbob said:

Coronavirus outbreak: Azar says U.S. is testing over 100,000 samples per day | Watch News Videos Online

During a coronavirus update at the White House on Monday, U.S. Heath Secretary Alexander Azar said the U.S. has now tested over one million samples and is testing 100,000 samples per day, something he claims no other country has done.

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We of this house see an Excellent effort here
yet some will complain.
M-Bob

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You know it's interesting. You were corrected on your misleading OP which implied the US was ahead of the rest of the world in testing - it is not, at least in the sense that matters (tests per capita). Now you are effectively doing the same thing - posting something rather misleading.

The USA is a huge country - what matters is not absolute numbers of tests, but the number of tests per person.

I have always said I would admit when I was wrong about something. I had heard from some source that South Korea had been using SARS tests. My resource was not a reliable source and it turns out they several companies that were developing the test while it was still in China. Their fast role out of the test was that the government fast tracked the test and it didn't have to go through the normal approval process. It is faster and easier because it is all done by computer testing.

In the US, everything went wrong that could. The South Korean test did not meet FDA guidelines for approval ... and when we did get one that met the approval standards, it was tested by hand which requires more labor and steps (but is more reliable). However, what works in normal day to day life, failed horribly in a epidemic situation. Because of some declaration of emergency, there is some limitation on hospitals developing and using their own tests...so a mess there. And based on what I was reading, it was as big of a failure in preparedness for an emergency on the FDA's part. Just like the hospitals failed in having enough PPE stocked for a large scale emergency, the FDA failed in having a backup plan when their first test wasn't a success (past diseases they have been successful). Now hospitals are being allowed to use their own tests and testing is ramping up in the hospitals that have come up with a test.

My area is a hot spot. I think we have missed testing way too many people for testing to be very effective, even for statistics. I also believe that every front line worker has already been exposed and the PPE is almost a waste, though I'd like to return to the normal isolation habits so we don't forget how to do this.

And how do I have enough time to read up on Covid-19? Ummm, even though my unit is a Covid unit that is mandating each nurse work an extra shift, I still have a couple days off and am also stuck in my home. So I spend time searching for up-to-date reliable info to help me understand this new virus and how it affects patients so I can give better care and better information to them and their families. However, since this is a new virus, even the "experts", who often disagree, are still learning and this virus seems to have unique feature that are different from other viruses.

As for the number of tests, even if South Korea had enough tests every citizen (51 million), it would only cover 16% of the US citizens. I really don't have any idea of how many people were tested in S. Korea or the US. And honestly, I don't care so I am not going to look it up. (One less thing for people to attack me over).

blackribbon said:

In the US, everything went wrong that could. The South Korean test did not meet FDA guidelines for approval ... and when we did get one that met the approval standards, it was tested by hand which requires more labor and steps (but is more reliable). However, what works in normal day to day life, failed horribly in a epidemic situation. Because of some declaration of emergency, there is some limitation on hospitals developing and using their own tests...so a mess there. And based on what I was reading, it was as big of a failure in preparedness for an emergency on the FDA's part. Just like the hospitals failed in having enough PPE stocked for a large scale emergency, the FDA failed in having a backup plan when their first test wasn't a success (past diseases they have been successful). Now hospitals are being allowed to use their own tests and testing is ramping up in the hospitals that have come up with a test.

My area is a hot spot. I think we have missed testing way too many people for testing to be very effective, even for statistics. I also believe that every front line worker has already been exposed and the PPE is almost a waste, though I'd like to return to the normal isolation habits so we don't forget how to do this.

And how do I have enough time to read up on Covid-19? Ummm, even though my unit is a Covid unit that is mandating each nurse work an extra shift, I still have a couple days off and am also stuck in my home. So I spend time searching for up-to-date reliable info to help me understand this new virus and how it affects patients so I can give better care and better information to them and their families. However, since this is a new virus, even the "experts", who often disagree, are still learning and this virus seems to have unique feature that are different from other viruses.

As for the number of tests, even if South Korea had enough tests every citizen (51 million), it would only cover 16% of the US citizens. I really don't have any idea of how many people were tested in S. Korea or the US. And honestly, I don't care so I am not going to look it up. (One less thing for people to attack me over).

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South Korea didnt do everything right. Over 1 million people signed a petition to impeach their leader over his mishandling of this crisis.

Hogwash. There haven't been one million tested, given the fact that people have been told that they don't have tests, have been turned away.

The reality is that Covid-19 does not exist. It is a freemasonic psyop designed to collapse economies and consolidate control. This is the lead-in or up to the beast system, and all the evidence is there to prove to you that it is not a real pandemic. Emergency rooms are EMPTY.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

Hogwash. There haven't been one million tested, given the fact that people have been told that they don't have tests, have been turned away.

The reality is that Covid-19 does not exist. It is a freemasonic psyop designed to collapse economies and consolidate control. This is the lead-in or up to the beast system, and all the evidence is there to prove to you that it is not a real pandemic. Emergency rooms are EMPTY.

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I hope this is a poor attempt at humor.

blackribbon said:

I hope the test that identifies those who had the virus comes out soon. It would make it easier to care for these patients if I know I now have acquired immunity. I hope many people will be tested for having it to have better statistics related to the virus.

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"We don't know that for 100 percent certain because we haven't done the study," Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told "The Daily Show" host Trevor Noah last week. "But I feel really confident that if this virus acts like every other virus that we know, once you get infected, get better, clear the virus, then you will have immunity that will protect you against reinfection."

But has this virus acted like every other virus that we know?

sfs said:

Testing now is not a good indication of what was happening when those now dying were infected -- and testing is only one element in an effective response. Here is a story of how Spain fumbled the early stages of the epidemic, if you're interested.

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Thanks for your reply, I am interested.