LDS Why do Mormons really not understand the Cross?

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What does the Apostles "crossed" have to do with Christ's Cross? [Twice you have misspelled that word]
On #396 you misspelled worship and important. I would not have mentioned it but you seem to be keen on spelling errors. Did Jesus' apostles carry around crosses?
 
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I have not read all the posts here. I would like to communicate about these things >
How then, do you personally see the Cross?
I feed on Ephesians 5:2 >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

This scripture for me shows that the cross represents our example of how to love. Jesus on the cross had hope for any evil person, at all; so this is our example of how we need to also love with hope for any and all people, and pray accordingly > "first of all" > 1 Timothy 2:1-4.

The general response I keep getting is "Wearing a cross doesn't make you a Christian, but not wearing one excludes you".
Possibly that is an overreaction of people who live where there is a culture of Mormonism. I mean ones who say this could believe Mormons hate the cross, and so they are wearing crosses to make a stand for the cross, and so they believe that if you do not wear a cross for such a reason, this means you are afraid and ashamed to take a stand with them.

But I offer it can be normal for a number of TV and local ministers to say that wearing a cross means nothing, but what matters is what God sees in your heart > we need to trust in Jesus on the cross, for the forgiveness of our sins and reconciliation with God and salvation.

We don't use it because it is a symbol of death.
As you can see, I find Ephesians 5:2 to mean the cross is about God's unconditional and all-caring love, and this is our example required also of us.

So, it is not only about life or death or impressive suffering, but how love is. But, yes, Jesus on the cross was there to die for our sins. But He was multi-tasking :)
 
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I have not read all the posts here. I would like to communicate about these things >
I feed on Ephesians 5:2 >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

This scripture for me shows that the cross represents our example of how to love. Jesus on the cross had hope for any evil person, at all; so this is our example of how we need to also love with hope for any and all people, and pray accordingly > "first of all" > 1 Timothy 2:1-4.

Possibly that is an overreaction of people who live where there is a culture of Mormonism. I mean ones who say this could believe Mormons hate the cross, and so they are wearing crosses to make a stand for the cross, and so they believe that if you do not wear a cross for such a reason, this means you are afraid and ashamed to take a stand with them.

But I offer it can be normal for a number of TV and local ministers to say that wearing a cross means nothing, but what matters is what God sees in your heart > we need to trust in Jesus on the cross, for the forgiveness of our sins and reconciliation with God and salvation.

As you can see, I find Ephesians 5:2 to mean the cross is about God's unconditional and all-caring love, and this is our example required also of us.

So, it is not only about life or death or impressive suffering, but how love is. But, yes, Jesus on the cross was there to die for our sins. But He was multi-tasking :)
I very much like your response about LOVE from Ephesians 5:2. Jesus was also lifted up on the cross to draw all men/women to Him. His proxy atonement made it possible for us to return back to the Father. That being said first we must repent, be baptized for the remission of sins, and forsake our sins. That is why Jesus said if you LOVE me keep my commandments.
 
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On #396 you misspelled worship and important. I would not have mentioned it but you seem to be keen on spelling errors. Did Jesus' apostles carry around crosses?

Why should they? They did not die for us.

You are getting further and further away for even remotely proving you understand the Cross that Christ died on.
 
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Why should they? They did not die for us.

You are getting further and further away for even remotely proving you understand the Cross that Christ died on.
So didn't the apostles understand the cross?
 
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So didn't the apostles understand the cross?

Of course they did---most of them saw Him die on the Cross.
Why ask such a petty question?
You are proving more and more that You do not Understand the Cross with these types of questions.
 
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Jesus was lifted upon the cross to draw men to Him, not to draw men to the cross. We are to LOVE and obey Him, not the cross. Our cross is not a physical cross that we carry around, it is a willingness to suffer for Him.
(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him that we may be also glorified together.

How would the average Member know all that? Nothing to remind them. --so that we suffer with Him [not him]. Good idea to cross-reference versions, when you don't understand.

And I'll bet you do not think on the Cross if Christians did not remind you. With doing all your good works and all.
 
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I have not read all the posts here. I would like to communicate about these things >
I feed on Ephesians 5:2 >

"And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:2)

This scripture for me shows that the cross represents our example of how to love. Jesus on the cross had hope for any evil person, at all; so this is our example of how we need to also love with hope for any and all people, and pray accordingly > "first of all" > 1 Timothy 2:1-4.

Possibly that is an overreaction of people who live where there is a culture of Mormonism. I mean ones who say this could believe Mormons hate the cross, and so they are wearing crosses to make a stand for the cross, and so they believe that if you do not wear a cross for such a reason, this means you are afraid and ashamed to take a stand with them.

I've never heard of anyone wearing a cross to refute or annoy or witness to Mormons. The cross is more than love. Christ blood was shed to pay for our sins. In Mormonism it is only an opportunity for the Mormon to earn eternal life.

I have not read all the posts here. I would like to communicate about these things >

But I offer it can be normal for a number of TV and local ministers to say that wearing a cross means nothing, but what matters is what God sees in your heart > we need to trust in Jesus on the cross, for the forgiveness of our sins and reconciliation with God and salvation.

As you can see, I find Ephesians 5:2 to mean the cross is about God's unconditional and all-caring love, and this is our example required also of us.

So, it is not only about life or death or impressive suffering, but how love is. But, yes, Jesus on the cross was there to die for our sins. But He was multi-tasking :)

That's not exactly what I believe but we are to debate non-Christian religions, not other Christians. If we didn't love Mormons there would be no point in sharing truth with them.
 
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Of course they did---most of them saw Him die on the Cross.
Why ask such a petty question?
You are proving more and more that You do not Understand the Cross with these types of questions.
No, you are proving that you do not understand the cross. We do nor wear crosses, we don't kiss the cross, instead we worship Jesus Christ because He was lifted up to draw all men/women to Him, not to the cross.
 
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I've never heard of anyone wearing a cross to refute or annoy or witness to Mormons. The cross is more than love. Christ blood was shed to pay for our sins. In Mormonism it is only an opportunity for the Mormon to earn eternal life.



That's not exactly what I believe but we are to debate non-Christian religions, not other Christians. If we didn't love Mormons there would be no point in sharing truth with them.
You said: "I've never heard of anyone wearing a cross to refute or annoy or witness to Mormons. The cross is more than love. Christ blood was shed to pay for our sins. In Mormonism it is only an opportunity for the Mormon to earn eternal life."

Eternal life should be of the utmost importance to everyone.
 
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No, you are proving that you do not understand the cross. We do nor wear crosses, we don't kiss the cross, instead we worship Jesus Christ because He was lifted up to draw all men/women to Him, not to the cross.
What are you talking about?

You asked a nonsensical question and I tried to put you on track
 
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What are you talking about?

You asked a nonsensical question and I tried to put you on track
The question was not nonsensical. The cross is NOT more important than Jesus Christ. Nor did Jesus' apostles wear crosses. The cross is a symbol of suffering and death and many people were put on crosses to die. Are you willing to carry your cross (suffer with Jesus Christ)?

(New Testament | 1 Peter 3:16 - 18)

16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 1:5 - 7)

5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.

(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
 
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The question was not nonsensical. The cross is NOT more important than Jesus Christ. Nor did Jesus' apostles wear crosses. The cross is a symbol of suffering and death and many people were put on crosses to die. Are you willing to carry your cross (suffer with Jesus Christ)?

(New Testament | 1 Peter 3:16 - 18)

16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 1:5 - 7)

5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
6 And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and salvation.
7 And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing, that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be also of the consolation.

(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Yes, I am taking up my Cross everyday.
And I will follow where He leads me, as I have already followed where He lead me.

And I guarantee I will not just HOPE to endure to the end, unlike with your false Articles of Faith.
 
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Yes, I am taking up my Cross everyday.
And I will follow where He leads me, as I have already followed where He lead me.

And I guarantee I will not just HOPE to endure to the end, unlike with your false Articles of Faith.
(New Testament | Acts 2:26)

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
(New Testament | Romans 5:1 - 5)

1 THEREFORE being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
(New Testament | Romans 8:24 - 25)

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
(New Testament | Romans 12:11 - 12)

11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
 
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No one would have any hope now or ever except for the message of the cross and the blood of Christ that was spilled during His crucifixion.
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1 Corinthians 1
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Galatians 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
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You said: "I've never heard of anyone wearing a cross to refute or annoy or witness to Mormons. The cross is more than love. Christ blood was shed to pay for our sins. In Mormonism it is only an opportunity for the Mormon to earn eternal life."

Eternal life should be of the utmost importance to everyone.

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But yet yoo
(New Testament | Acts 2:26)

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
(New Testament | Romans 5:1 - 5)

1 THEREFORE being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
(New Testament | Romans 8:24 - 25)

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
(New Testament | Romans 12:11 - 12)

11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

And in all that you only hope to be able to endure? Obviously, on you own efforts.

1 Corinthians 13:7
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

No wonder Mormons are fearful in the current pandemic---they only hope to be able to endure through it.
 
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And in all that you only hope to be able to endure? Obviously, on you own efforts.

1 Corinthians 13:7
bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
Yes, hopes all things. We do our best to carry our cross that we may be acceptable to God.

(New Testament | Romans 12:1 - 3)

1 I BESEECH you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(Book of Mormon | Moroni 7:42 - 44)

42 Wherefore, if a man have faith he must needs have hope; for without faith there cannot be any hope.
43 And again, behold I say unto you that he cannot have faith and hope, save he shall be meek, and lowly of heart.
44 If so, his faith and hope is vain, for none is acceptable before God, save the meek and lowly in heart; and if a man be meek and lowly in heart, and confesses by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, he must needs have charity; for if he have not charity he is nothing; wherefore he must needs have charity.
 
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Yes, hopes all things. We do our best to carry our cross that we may be acceptable to God.

(New Testament | Romans 12:1 - 3)

1 I BESEECH you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
(Book of Mormon | Moroni 7:42 - 44)

42 Wherefore, if a man have faith he must needs have hope; for without faith there cannot be any hope.
43 And again, behold I say unto you that he cannot have faith and hope, save he shall be meek, and lowly of heart.
44 If so, his faith and hope is vain, for none is acceptable before God, save the meek and lowly in heart; and if a man be meek and lowly in heart, and confesses by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, he must needs have charity; for if he have not charity he is nothing; wherefore he must needs have charity.

Yes, hopes all things. We do our best to carry our cross that we may be acceptable to God.---He is the Way

But you don't carry you Cross. You do you best to avoid mention or it at least have it in your wards.

Your Book of Mormon quote is all mixed up

42 Wherefore, if a man have faith he must needs have hope; for without faith there cannot be any hope.

The opposite seeme to be true. What? You hope you have Faith? They do not work hand-in hand as this verse suggests.
 
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Yes, hopes all things. We do our best to carry our cross that we may be acceptable to God.---He is the Way

But you don't carry you Cross. You do you best to avoid mention or it at least have it in your wards.

Your Book of Mormon quote is all mixed up

42 Wherefore, if a man have faith he must needs have hope; for without faith there cannot be any hope.

The opposite seeme to be true. What? You hope you have Faith? They do not work hand-in hand as this verse suggests.
I don't know how you seem to get everything so mixed up. When you said: "You hope you have Faith?" did you not notice that faith comes first? You are trying so hard to find fault, that you are not reading things correctly.
 
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