Ok. Question: in the Bible Jesus speaks in parables; what general statement does Evolution make?

Speedwell · Mar 29, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
How about a fourth option: Make education practical (and less expensive). Less theory and more application. Kinda like an apprenticeship.

It should be less expensive--and it is in many places. But what you are talking about is training, which is only part of the picture. Application is not possible without theory.

The bible has a great example, of a man 'proving' his team of oxen. He knew they were oxen, but he had to prove that they would work in his fields.

LOL! He was an educated man to the extent that he knew that they were oxen.

Ophiolite · Mar 29, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
How about a fourth option: Make education practical (and less expensive). Less theory and more application. Kinda like an apprenticeship.

Your perception of what is wrong with education is either hopelessly confused, or your ability to communicate that perception is entirely muddled.

Is there a technical restriction on you posting a longer, bullet-pointed, well argued post, or are you limited by contract to three paragraphs

OldWiseGuy said:
The bible has a great example, of a man 'proving' his team of oxen. He knew they were oxen, but he had to prove that they would work in his fields. Much of what is taught in school doesn't work in real life.

Sounds like a load of bull.

OldWiseGuy · Mar 29, 2020

Ophiolite said:
Your perception of what is wrong with education is either hopelessly confused, or your ability to communicate that perception is entirely muddled.

I'm just looking at the results of it.

Ophiolite said:
Is there a technical restriction on you posting a longer, bullet-pointed, well argued post, or are you limited by contract to three paragraphs

Sometimes less is more.

Ophiolite said:
Sounds like a load of bull.

Let the buyer beware.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 29, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Three thousand years later we still haven't figured it out?

Is that a deliberately naive question, or do you really think there are definitive answers for all people at all times in all cultures and situations?

You got me there. But the test stands.

How so, given my counter-argument?

If you want to pass the course you gotta study, and meditate. God's word is like one of those mind-bending images that you have to stare at for awhile before a picture emerges.

Not everyone can see those; my point stands.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 29, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Actually you're making a judgment call. Theft is theft whether it is grand larceny or petty theft. The only difference in the end is how it is adjudicated.

That depends whose definition you use.

There are plenty of examples where decisions are not simple - such as lying: are there circumstances in which it is morally correct to lie? If so, when?

Some interesting set of problems involve abstractions from life, such as the Trolley Problems, where an individual's responses about what is correct, or what they'd do, often vary between logically equivalent circumstances, depending on how directly they're involved in the activity.

Kylie · Mar 29, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Yes. Without a trained jockey a race horse is just a horse.

I don't think that analogy is valid.

OldWiseGuy · Mar 29, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Not everyone can see those; my point stands.

So does mine...tie game. :wave:

OldWiseGuy · Mar 29, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
That depends whose definition you use.

There are plenty of examples where decisions are not simple - such as lying: are there circumstances in which it is morally correct to lie? If so, when?

Some interesting set of problems involve abstractions from life, such as the Trolley Problems, where an individual's responses about what is correct, or what they'd do, often vary between logically equivalent circumstances, depending on how directly they're involved in the activity.

We shouldn't let the tail to wag the dog.

OldWiseGuy · Mar 29, 2020

VirOptimus said:
No I dont realize that because thats not true.

Maybe not in Sweden.

VirOptimus · Mar 29, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Did I catch that you live in Europe?

I do.

OldWiseGuy · Mar 29, 2020

VirOptimus said:
I do.

I edited that post.

OldWiseGuy · Mar 29, 2020

Kylie said:
I don't think that analogy is valid.

Without enforcement a law isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Ophiolite · Mar 30, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Without enforcement a law isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Only if the population consists entirely of self-serving, egocentric, narcissists would this be true. Most of would accept that a law indicates what is, or is not proper behaviour, and act accordingly.

OldWiseGuy · Mar 30, 2020

Ophiolite said:
Only if the population consists entirely of self-serving, egocentric, narcissists would this be true. Most of would accept that a law indicates what is, or is not proper behaviour, and act accordingly.

You do know that our police are overworked, court dockets filled to overflowing, and jails and prisons at or over capacity.

Ophiolite · Mar 30, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
You do know that our police are overworked, court dockets filled to overflowing, and jails and prisons at or over capacity.

Which fails to offer any support for your case. To do so you must demonstrate, convincingly, that no one ever obeys a law that is unenforced, because it is unenforced. Good luck with that.

Kylie · Mar 30, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
Without enforcement a law isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Except God doesn't seem to be enforcing it at all...

OldWiseGuy · Mar 30, 2020

Kylie said:
Except God doesn't seem to be enforcing it at all...

God is maintaining the integrity of his laws all the time. We just aren't paying much attention.

Subduction Zone · Mar 31, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
God is maintaining the integrity of his laws all the time. We just aren't paying much attention.

Evidence?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 31, 2020

OldWiseGuy said:
God is maintaining the integrity of his laws all the time. We just aren't paying much attention.

What does 'maintaining the integrity' of laws mean?

If it's not enforcement, then, according to you, the laws aren't worth the paper they're written on. If it is enforcement, why didn't you say enforcement - and in what way does God enforce them?

OldWiseGuy · Mar 31, 2020

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
What does 'maintaining the integrity' of laws mean?

If it's not enforcement, then, according to you, the laws aren't worth the paper they're written on. If it is enforcement, why didn't you say enforcement - and in what way does God enforce them?

God doesn't directly enforce his laws, they act upon our behaviors automatically.

Because God maintains the integrity of his laws we cannot get away with breaking them even if we don't enforce them directly.

Many believe that all our laws are man made. If this is true we should be able to change them at will and thus eliminate the penalty for breaking them. That this is untrue should indicate that these laws do not come from man.

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