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religion is not the right word as that word usally has to do with a specific rule set. Christianity is the path.1.)a.) Let's assume that Christianity is actually the one true religion.
judaism was a narrow rule set religion.1.)b.) Therefore, Judaism was the one true religion before Christianity was formed.
"the way started with Christ/John the baptist."1.)c.) Christianity formed after Jesus was crucified.
he showed their hyprocrisy and corruption.2.) Before Jesus was crucified, he distrusted most Jewish religious leaders.
Jesus did not mistrust them because they were religious leaders. in fact there were a few who came to jesus and he taught them. Nicodemus and Joseph of arimathea was also to be said to be a religious leader.3.) If Jesus distrusted most religious leaders, then they were untrustworthy.
Jesus mistrusted individuals for their specific actions.
4.) ???
you look at their words and deeds. by their fruit will you know them.5.) We can trust most or all modern Christian apologists.
the RC church is not the church of the bible. The supposed father of the RC church is peter. Pete's church was one directed at the jews forcing gentiles to be circumcised become a full jew first then christian. His church was the church at jerusalem which was destroyed by rome. Peter contribution to the bible is his time in the gospel and 3 books. Paul is the one who wrote the book of Romans who long to go to rome and he is the one who set up a church there. it is his books and practices we follow not peters. If the legacy of the RC church is peter then this is not the church described in the bible. Peter's church was again jewish based and vastly different.I'm guessing that the popular plug for this hole is something along the lines of, "The Holy Spirit was given to the church in the Book of Acts and this was sufficient to fundamentally change human behavior at the church leadership level."
An obvious problem is that precisely 100% of the Catholic hierarchy either is a pedophile, or prefers to protect pedophiles instead of children, or is willing to remain with an institution which does this.
again not all churches have this problem.Catholics will point out that the percentage of pedophile priests is roughly equivalent the percentage of pedophiles among the world population, as though that somehow absolves them from engaging in a worldwide coverup conspiracy. They'll also point out that Protestants rape children with roughly the same regularity, but their disorganization makes it difficult to track how much rape occurs. There is merit to this, as the Boy Scouts/Cub Scouts/Girl Scouts are essentially a Protestant organization (atheists are explicitly prohibited from becoming scout leaders) and they are going bankrupt because they have raped so many children.
again you can reject the holy Spirit's influence if and only if you are familiar with the holy Spirit. Instead of trying to find where the holy Spirit is not why not try and find where it is...Now, it might be said that I am engaging in an ad hominem attack here. No amount of child rape would render apologetics invalid. However, it does render the proposed Christian response above invalid, where I suggested that they might say, "The Holy Spirit was given to the church in the Book of Acts and this was sufficient to fundamentally change human behavior at the church leadership level."
Even if we ignore all the coverups, we're still left with the same percentage of child rape as we would expect among the world population. This indicates that the Holy Spirit has no effect on church leadership, at least with regards to this issue. But I suspect I'm not the only one who would find it disturbing for the Holy Spirit to influence church leadership on various issues while totally ignoring child rape.
I hope we can now reject the assertion that the Holy Spirit is influencing church leadership. We're now back at square one. How do we bridge the gap in my syllogism above? If Jesus distrusted religious leaders in his day, and if the Holy Spirit is insufficient to make them trustworthy today, then for what reason should unbelievers listen to apologists?
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