Why did God make it so that the sins of one could negatively impact another?

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So if God is not the source of evil, then how do you explain this?

Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Jdg 9:22 When Abimelech had reigned three years over Israel,
Jdg 9:23 Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

1Sa_16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1Sa 18:10 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.

1Ki 22:19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
1Ki 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
1Ki 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
1Ki 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold,
the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Wait ...let me guess ....they're calamitous spirits, right?

Maybe you should try listening to what the bible says, rather than trying to make it say what you think it should.

No, if we read these verses in context we see that they all have to do with God's righteousness - the punishment of sins, not the imputation of moral evil.

Isaiah 54 is not about God being the source of evil. Far from it! It's about God being the Redeemer - the one who delivers us from evil. It's about God's righteousness; that no evil will conquer His people. Nothing in this text indicates that God is the author of moral evil, but it is rather about God's grace and righteous judgement. In the OT we see many examples of God using foreign nations to execute His punishment on Israel for their sins, but these are always punishments of sin, not the imputing of moral evil.

Judges 22 is not about God tempting man to evil, but, allowing the works of satan (cf Job) to fulfill His righteous punishment of evil. That is, Abimelech exploited Israel, and in 1 Kings 22 we see how the leaders of Shechem dealt treacherously, which results in God's righteous judgment. God is paying them back for their evil; He is punishing sinners, not creating or causing moral evil.

1 Samuel is not about God imputing moral evil upon Samuel, but the righteous judgment of Samuel's evil deeds. He's suffering the consequences of his sins and David, who foreshadows Christ, is being anointed in his place. This is about redemption and judgment and does not explain God as the source of evil.

1 Kings is also about God's righteous works and exposing false prophets. It has to do with punishment of sins. (cf 2 Thessalonians 2 about how satan deceives and God sends a strong delusion)

Context is critical. We should always read Scriptures first in their immediate context, then consider the broader context. And as a general rule, unclear passages ought always be dominated by clear passages. For example, when Jesus say that we must hate our family, we know from both the immediate context and the broader context that it does not teach us to be malicious, but rather to love God and love our neighbour, but consider evil whatever is contrary to the Gospel.
 
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I'll ask a question for discussion:

Why did God create a world (or put in place the processes that would create a world) in which the sins of one individual could negatively impact another through no fault of their own?

EDIT: Imagine a hypothetical world in which every action or inaction has a positive or negative consequence, but negative consequences only ever affect the sinning individual never innocent targets or bystanders. This would be a more just world than our current one and if I can imagine it, then I am sure God could too and could make it if He wanted - so why didn't He?
Who says such a world could exist on earth or heaven. I think your leaving a lot of scenarios out of your imaginary world.
 
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God gave us free will and if negative actions only affected the person who did them it wouldnt be free will as such as the choice would be harm yourself do good to everyone.
What would be wrong with that?
 
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Scripture clearly shoes God leads people into temptation. I would advise you to pray that he does not lead you into temptation as Jesus tells us to do. If you cannot see this, how can I trust your remarks on anything biblical?

I pray the Lord's Prayer, and I've only offered you exactly what James 1 says: Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

If there's anything confusing about post #31, I'm more than happy to provide additional Scripture.
 
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Why did God create a world (or put in place the processes that would create a world) in which the sins of one individual could negatively impact another through no fault of their own?
God created us to be one inter-relational body. And in order that we would have creative lives with meaningful choices, our actions would affect others, especially our children. The world was designed to be self-sustaining, without constant need of oversight by God,

Unfortunately, all that was sabotaged and taken advantage of by sin, and can now be used to our detriment. That was not God's original intent, though, and He has implemented a plan to correct it permanently.
 
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I pray the Lord's Prayer, and I've only offered you exactly what James 1 says: Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.

If there's anything confusing about post #31, I'm more than happy to provide additional Scripture.
Let's fine-tune this a bit. Leading someone into temptation isn't tempting anyone. Their own lust serves the purpose along with Satan. But God sets the stage. And has done so often.

“Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.” 1 Corinthians 10:12 (KJV 1900)
 
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Why did the Spirit lead him to be tempted by the Devil? What about Job? How did God not set Adam up to be tempted? Why does Jesus tell us to ask God not to lead us into temptation if it is nonsense?

In the Old Testament, there are many 'shadows' of future events. In the OT they are always imperfect and in the NT they are the completed or shown perfected. The temptation of Jesus is one of these. Adam was tempted by Satan and failed. When the Bible calls Jesus the second Adam the temptation is a part of that. When Satan tempted Jesus we see this picture perfectly completed because what Adam couldn't do, Jesus did do. He had to be tempted and he had to succeed at it.

As to "lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil" This isn't saying Lord please don't tempt us, because we know that God cannot be tempted by evil or tempt us with it.
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;


Temptation itself isn't bad, its what we do about it that matters. Yet another reason that the temptation of Jesus is shown in the gospels is to be of an example to us in how to deal with it. By doing God's will we may go into areas that make us uncomfortable or hold tempting things, but by holding fast and not giving in to temptation we grow stronger in faith and maturity. We may wish at times that these temptations were not there but if by overcoming them we grow to be more Christlike this is what is important to God, not how comfortable we are. God's eye is on the spiritual, meanwhile, our eye is frequently on the flesh. This is why that line is not complete without "deliver us from evil" It's not just about temptation but overcoming it by keeping our eyes off the flesh and on God.
If a person has enough faith and trust they would not need to be lead into areas like this for growth and strengthening so the other way this could be viewed is as a prayer for enough faith for this not to be necessary.

Just adding, I use to struggle with this verse but this way of viewing it I got from Spurgeon and it made sense to me.
 
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The sin of one was on all, so that the righteousness of one could be offered to all that accept it.

Adam was not holy, nor was he wicked before the fall. He was innocent.

God gave humanity free will, because He wants people to choose Him. He doesnt want to force anyone to be with Him.

God could have made beings without free will, that would obey His every command, but then there would not be choice. The Earth, it does not rotate because it wants to, it does so because God makes it so. It does not have choice to disobey.

God gave man free will to choose disobedience (Adam) or obedience (Jesus).

While Adam is the one that made the choice to choose disobedience, we are no different. If it were any one of us in the garden.... we would have made the same choice. Proof is in the fact that we sin

Because we are as Adam, wicked and disobedient in our nature, Jesus came to offer us a NEW nature.

We will not be perfect while we are in flesh, as it is the nature of flesh to be disobedient, HOWEVER we are to fight against that old nature (self will) and pursue instead the will of the Father (a likeness to Jesus Christ) by taking up our cross and following the example of Christ every day.

We will fall at times, but when that happens, we ask forgiveness, turn away from our sins (repent) and move on. We do not excuse our sins as "acceptable " or "Not a big deal". When we make excuses, we behave like Adam, not like Jesus.
 
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The sin of one was on all, so that the righteousness of one could be offered to all that accept it.

Adam was not holy, nor was he wicked before the fall. He was innocent.

God gave humanity free will, because He wants people to choose Him. He doesnt want to force anyone to be with Him.

God could have made beings without free will, that would obey His every command, but then there would not be choice. The Earth, it does not rotate because it wants to, it does so because God makes it so. It does not have choice to disobey.

God gave man free will to choose disobedience (Adam) or obedience (Jesus).

While Adam is the one that made the choice to choose disobedience, we are no different. If it were any one of us in the garden.... we would have made the same choice. Proof is in the fact that we sin

Because we are as Adam, wicked and disobedient in our nature, Jesus came to offer us a NEW nature.

We will not be perfect while we are in flesh, as it is the nature of flesh to be disobedient, HOWEVER we are to fight against that old nature (self will) and pursue instead the will of the Father (a likeness to Jesus Christ) by taking up our cross and following the example of Christ every day.

We will fall at times, but when that happens, we ask forgiveness, turn away from our sins (repent) and move on. We do not excuse our sins as "acceptable " or "Not a big deal". When we make excuses, we behave like Adam, not like Jesus.
Sin prevents free will. If you have free will, choose to be perfect.
 
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I'll ask a question for discussion:

Why did God create a world (or put in place the processes that would create a world) in which the sins of one individual could negatively impact another through no fault of their own?

EDIT: Imagine a hypothetical world in which every action or inaction has a positive or negative consequence, but negative consequences only ever affect the sinning individual never innocent targets or bystanders. This would be a more just world than our current one and if I can imagine it, then I am sure God could too and could make it if He wanted - so why didn't He?

Free will is the reason sin exists. Free will is also our stumbling block that enables us to sin. This is why each person is held responsible for his own sin. God knowing that all of us would inevitably sin devised a way in which we could all be saved. So God is not the author of sin He is the author of salvation. Our free will is absolutely necessary in order for us to love God because without the ability to choose to love Him it could not be a genuine love.
 
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Free will is the reason sin exists. Free will is also our stumbling block that enables us to sin. This is why each person is held responsible for his own sin. God knowing that all of us would inevitably sin devised a way in which we could all be saved. So God is not the author of sin He is the author of salvation. Our free will is absolutely necessary in order for us to love God because without the ability to choose to love Him it could not be a genuine love.
The flesh cannot love God. It loves idols it thinks are God. Only the born again have a heart of love provided by God.

“And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV 1900)
 
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I'll ask a question for discussion:

Why did God create a world (or put in place the processes that would create a world) in which the sins of one individual could negatively impact another through no fault of their own?

EDIT: Imagine a hypothetical world in which every action or inaction has a positive or negative consequence, but negative consequences only ever affect the sinning individual never innocent targets or bystanders. This would be a more just world than our current one and if I can imagine it, then I am sure God could too and could make it if He wanted - so why didn't He?
God determined that "It is not good for man to be alone."

That being the case, ... there is no way to shield others from the results of our sins ...
 
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Let's fine-tune this a bit. Leading someone into temptation isn't tempting anyone. Their own lust serves the purpose along with Satan. But God sets the stage. And has done so often.

“Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.” 1 Corinthians 10:12 (KJV 1900)

What I'm bound by Scripture to insist on is that God is not in any way the source of moral evil, and that He does not cause or lead us to sin, for God is good and without sin, and in Christ paid for sin. But if we understand this leading into temptation, in relation to God using evil for good - that is, God being longsuffering and bearing with us in our sins, and working all things for good - then yes, I agree.
 
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The flesh cannot love God. It loves idols it thinks are God. Only the born again have a heart of love provided by God.

“And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV 1900)


“But as for Israel He says, " ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE.”
Romans 10:21 NASB


“Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭NASB‬‬
 
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I'll ask a question for discussion:

Why did God create a world (or put in place the processes that would create a world) in which the sins of one individual could negatively impact another through no fault of their own?

EDIT: Imagine a hypothetical world in which every action or inaction has a positive or negative consequence, but negative consequences only ever affect the sinning individual never innocent targets or bystanders. This would be a more just world than our current one and if I can imagine it, then I am sure God could too and could make it if He wanted - so why didn't He?

Same answer I gave before:

Because we would then find sin tolerable.

You are asking for a naturally just world, in which evil happens only to the evil and good happens only to the good. But this is not a naturally just world, this is a fallen world.

For a reason that only God currently knows for sure, it is necessary for the perfection of eternity for us to experience a fallen world now, and "fallen" must mean "intolerable."
 
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“But as for Israel He says, " ALL THE DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HANDS TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE.”
Romans 10:21 NASB


“Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭NASB‬‬
The OT depended on free will according to law. But the law could not save.

Only the born again (saved) who never heard the gospel are accepted of him. The flesh is wicked and does nothing but sin.
 
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The OT depended on free will according to law. But the law could not save.

Only the born again (saved) who never heard the gospel are accepted of him. The flesh is wicked and does nothing but sin.

But it is up to us whether or not we are born again. If we choose to repent and believe He will bestow grace upon us. God doesn’t choose who will repent and who will not.
 
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But it is up to us whether or not we are born again. If we choose to repent and believe He will bestow grace upon us.
The flesh hates God and loves sin. But;

“And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV 1900)
 
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The flesh hates God and loves sin. But;

“And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV 1900)

I agree the flesh does hate God but the Spirit urges everyone to repent and everyone who does repent is following the guidance of the Spirit. Even those who are sealed with the Holy Spirit can grieve Him and receive God’s wrath. Ephesians 4-5
 
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I agree the flesh does hate God but the Spirit urges everyone to repent and everyone who does repent is following the guidance of the Spirit. Even those who are sealed with the Holy Spirit can grieve Him and receive God’s wrath. Ephesians 4-5
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” John 3:19 (KJV 1900)
 
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