Forgiveness must come from the victim

Godistruth1 · Mar 29, 2020

dlamberth said:
In the same breath, both in Christianity and Islam a person can find Lovers of God who see God everywhere they turn and in every breath and in every form.

We do see such people indeed and again i say God does not become who we think he is. He is who he is. Simple.

dlamberth said:
OK. What happens after that?
How do we bring God into our lives as an absolute Reality?
What do we do with that Oneness that God says He is?

We bring him into our lives by following his commands. I as a Muslim pray 5 times. Do dhikr(remberance & praise God), give charity etc etc. This does make me feel close to God. Some can go out of the path but that's not the path God approved. Its satan who diverts from the path of God.

With his Oneness we always pray to him alone in worship and in need. We do not associate any partners with him. He created us so only he is powerful and only he can help us. Nobody is worthy of worship except He the all knowing the all powerful the most loving the most Merciful

JIMINZ · Mar 29, 2020

Godistruth1 said:
We do see such people indeed and again i say God does not become who we think he is. He is who he is. Simple.

We bring him into our lives by following his commands. I as a Muslim pray 5 times. Do dhikr(remberance & praise God), give charity etc etc. This does make me feel close to God. Some can go out of the path but that's not the path God approved. Its satan who diverts from the path of God.

With his Oneness we always pray to him alone in worship and in need. We do not associate any partners with him. He created us so only he is powerful and only he can help us. Nobody is worthy of worship except He the all knowing the all powerful the most loving the most Merciful

Who is God speaking to?

Gen. 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen. 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Godistruth1 · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
Who is God speaking to?

Gen. 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen. 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

I would not debate on what bible means in those verses but for me i see its meaning in the verses following it that God gave earth for the use of man.

JIMINZ · Mar 29, 2020

Godistruth1 said:
I would not debate on what bible means in those verses but for me i see its meaning in the verses following it that God gave earth for the use of man.

Your right, God gave Dominion over the Earth to mankind, but that is not what we were talking about.

God is 3 Persons in the Trinity whether you believe it or not.
GOD the Father
GOD the Son
GOD the Holy Spirit.

Godistruth1 · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
Your right, God gave Dominion over the Earth to mankind, but that is not what we were talking about.

God is 3 Persons in the Trinity whether you believe it or not.
GOD the Father
GOD the Son
GOD the Holy Spirit.

I choose to believe with the same conviction (maybe more) that God is only One without a second.

JIMINZ · Mar 29, 2020

Godistruth1 said:
I choose to believe with the same conviction (maybe more) that God is only One without a second.

That is perfectly ok with me, but the fact remains your Spiritually blind to the truth of Spiritual matters until you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Godistruth1 · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
That is perfectly ok with me, but the fact remains your Spiritually blind to the truth of Spiritual matters until you accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

I can honestly say same for u. God is only one as God said in his first commandment

Robban · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
Who is God speaking to?

Gen. 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen. 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

After 1:26 comes 1:27.

He was speaking to His heavenly household, angels and such.
But they were not keen on the idea,

So, He made man in His own image. 1:27.

dlamberth · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
God is 3 Persons in the Trinity whether you believe it or not.
GOD the Father
GOD the Son
GOD the Holy Spirit.

What do you see of the image of God at the point before Genesis 1? Before the Big Bang? Before anything was Created?

JIMINZ · Mar 29, 2020

Robban said:
After 1:26 comes 1:27.

He was speaking to His heavenly household, angels and such.
But they were not keen on the idea,

So, He made man in His own image. 1:27.

What! Really?

Robban · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
What! Really?

Yes, really.

JIMINZ · Mar 29, 2020

Robban said:
Yes, really.

OK.

JIMINZ · Mar 29, 2020

Godistruth1 said:
I can honestly say same for u. God is only one as God said in his first commandment

That is what I said, you can't understand what He said your blind to the truth, and besides your dead in your sins until they are forgiven by Jesus and none other.

Act. 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Better get with the program.

dlamberth · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
That is what I said, you can't understand what He said your blind to the truth, and besides your dead in your sins until they are forgiven by Jesus and none other.

Act. 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Better get with the program.

Personally, I don't know how to limit the reach of God into a single physical entity. The program, as I understand it, is infinite in it's scope, reach and depth. We can see the effects of the Light of God within those of other spiritual paths who live just as much in the blessing and vibrant awareness of God as does any Christian.

Godistruth1 · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
That is what I said, you can't understand what He said your blind to the truth, and besides your dead in your sins until they are forgiven by Jesus and none other

You worship jesus so much that you never worship God. Jesus himself call the Father his God. God does not have A God

cloudyday2 · Mar 29, 2020

JIMINZ said:
That is what I said, you can't understand what He said your blind to the truth, and besides your dead in your sins until they are forgiven by Jesus and none other.

Act. 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Better get with the program.

I don't know if you care, but your posts make Christianity look like a rotten religion. You told @Godistruth1 to "get with the program", but the program you are supposed to be following is the "Great Commission". You are supposed to be gathering a harvest of Gospel converts. Did St. Paul travel the Mediterranean insulting people at every opportunity?

JIMINZ · Mar 29, 2020

cloudyday2 said:
I don't know if you care, but your posts make Christianity look like a rotten religion. You told @Godistruth1 to "get with the program", but the program you are supposed to be following is the "Great Commission". You are supposed to be gathering a harvest of Gospel converts. Did St. Paul travel the Mediterranean insulting people at every opportunity?

He does not want to know about Salvation in Jesus Christ alone.

JIMINZ · Mar 29, 2020

Godistruth1 said:
You worship jesus so much that you never worship God. Jesus himself call the Father his God. God does not have A God

Jesus IS GOD, just because you do not believe it, or do not understand it does not make it so.

Are you a Nuclear Physicist?

Godistruth1 · Mar 30, 2020

JIMINZ said:
Jesus IS GOD, just because you do not believe it, or do not understand it does not make it so.

Are you a Nuclear Physicist?

Why did Jesus call the Father his God?

JIMINZ · Mar 30, 2020

Godistruth1 said:
Why did Jesus call the Father his God?

Because, when Jesus came to earth in the form of sinful flesh, He submitted to the Person of God in Heaven as His Father.

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