Peanut Gallery Paul's Letter to the Galatians

SpiritPsalmist said:

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This post, apparently, is aimed at the Galatians epistle, but the comment seems to be quoting Col 2:14 ...

The Colossians verse is applicable, even though I think that if I were talking about ... Galatians ... I'd have quoted Gal 2:20 instead of Colossians. I'm not arguing your doctrine, one way or the other, just looking for some clarification ... are you talking about Galatians or Colossians?

Here's a literal translation of both of these verses ...

2:14 to~the handwriting (with~the suppositions against’ us), having out-rubbed (which~an under-innerly-opposing [handwriting] it was unto~us); and, to~same [handwriting] He has had lifted out of~the amidst; to~the same [handwriting] having towards-nailed unto~the stake;

2:20 With~[the]~Anointed I have had been together-staked; yet, I live. Yet not-still I, [the] Anointed lives in with~me. Yet now, to~which~a [thing] I live, in with~flesh, in with~trust I live (with~the [trust] of~the Son of~the God; the [Son] to~me of~having loved, and Himself having beside-given over me.)

Seems, from what I read here, is that it was Christ (the Anointed) Who was nailed
... along with believers ... [Gal 2:20]

And ... and there was, also, something else nailed there.
"the handwriting (with~the suppositions against’ us)"


Now, your post (which may or may not be a correct summary), says that ...
..."our debts, that were due because of the law, were nailed"...
but I do not see these specific words so stated? That is, it appears that you
have your cart before the horse ... your doctrine before the actual words.
Again, I'm not saying that your doctrine is either right or wrong, just that
it would better serve everyone if you .... FIRST... had the words correct.

My mistake ...

SpiritPsalmist said:

My point though, with Col 2:14 is that God, as some teach did not nail the law to the cross, He nailed our sins to the cross.

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But again, if I may ... perhaps there is, but I'm not currently aware of any verse that specifically says that "sins" were nailed to the cross (stake and cross-plank) ... Figuratively, of course, there's truth in what you are saying ... that is, the part figuratively represents the whole, or that which was nailed to the stake and cross-plank is represented by simply saying that "our sins were nailed" ... By the way, instead of the word "sins," I use the word "failings" for the Greek word .

And, speaking of particular words, Colossians 2:14 specifically talks to the noun ...
5498 cheirographon 5495 + 1125 to~a~handwriting N-ASN.20
which is a combination-word of the verb "to write" and the noun "hands" ...
5495 cheiras to~hands
1125 graphein to write

That is, it was this handwriting, with its "suppositions against' us" that was nailed unto the stake ...
1378 dogmasin unto~suppositions ...

Said "suppositions" being from the noun "dokeO" = to think
That is, suppositions are, in other words, conclusions; principles; propositions; ordinances; decrees

2:14 to~the handwriting (with~the suppositions against’ us), having out-rubbed (which~an under-innerly-opposing [handwriting] it was unto~us); and, to~same [handwriting] He has had lifted out of~the amidst; to~the same [handwriting] having towards-nailed unto~the stake;

Sorry ...I'm belaboring the point ...I agree (sort of), with what you are saying,
I just think you could be saying it more accurately. But since you are saying it, in your own manner,
perhaps I could take similar license, when talking about this ...

When they nailed Christos (the Anointed/Christ), our Lord to that stauros (stake and cross-plank),
they also nailed a placard above His head ... basically, this was the Roman's acknowledgment of the crime committed, as well as the verdict ... guilty of daring to be King ... sedition.

What Colossians is alluding to, is basically another such placard, acknowledging the crime and verdict ...
God's law is summarized as 1) to love God and 2) to love our fellow man.
Adam failed, and so we are all accounted in a similar manner, by God ... worthy of death.
Adam and all of mankind are, then, also nailed there, with our Creator ... to die.
The placard over our head reads guilty; failure to comply with God's law of love ... worthy of death.

When the verdict is carried out, the decrees or suppositions against us are resolved or rubbed out,
seeing as how they have no further effect on the dead ... can't beat a dead horse.

That is, Colossians is talking to just one of the items nailed to the stake ... the verdict, the sentence.
Galatians, on the other hand, is more specific; it identifies ...not only the Anointed, but mankind,
you and I, together-staked with Him. ....And, we then, subsequently died with Him

2:20 With~[the]~Anointed I have had been together-staked; yet, I live. Yet not-still I, [the] Anointed lives in with~me. Yet now, to~which~a [thing] I live, in with~flesh, in with~trust I live (with~the [trust] of~the Son of~the God; the [Son] to~me of~having loved, and Himself having beside-given over me.)


And yet, we live! ... we were roused from death with Him, and He lives in us.
Spiritually this is a fact; this is how God sees it ...
actually, I won't in-slip into the new man, the qualitatively new, spiritual man until our Lord's presence,
but for now I've been graced to hear God's well-message evangel; and given the heart to trust (better word than belief), what God has said, and so I have a great expectation (better word than mere hope).

Furthermore, I have peace with God, and much joy ...
it's all God's doing, that's the evangel's peace;
the joy is my doing ... and talking about this, in my own words, or more formally, in scriptural words,
is what brings me joy ... And I always want more joy, more is better!

No actually, my first posting here was back in 2015 ... only just recently started posting regularly.

But I think it's good that you intend a study of Galatians, and I certainly wouldn't disrupt that on purpose, but just to be clear, you haven't yet actually posted anything at all for this your Galatians Study,
so it escapes me just how I might be getting you off-track?

SpiritPsalmist said:

Introduction
Gal 1:1-5


Study

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Very similar to my copy of David Stern's "Jewish NewTestament" ...
The first noticeable difference is that it starts out "From Shaul, an emissary - "

SpiritPsalmist said:

The translation I am using, for the moment anyway is from the Tree of Life. I always give the Biblegateway link so you are free to read it for yourself and/or compare it with other translations.

Paul visited Galatia during his first and second missionary journeys.

Introduction
Gal 1:1-5

In the introduction of the letter, Paul identifies himself as an emissary, an apostle sent not by men but by God and Messiah Yeshua who was raised from the dead. This letter was not only from him but also from all the brothers with him. The issues raised in this letter does not carry just his (Paul's) authority, but their's (the leadership of the believing community) as well. This letter is to all the believing communities in Galatia. Galatia is what is today known as central Turkey.

He greets them with "Shalom",

• The word "shalom" means not only "peace" but also tranquillity, safety, well-being, welfare, health, contentment, success, comfort, wholeness and integrity. ~Jewish New Testament Commentary~

from the Father and the Lord Yeshua, the Messiah who gave himself for our sins according to the will of the Father. To Him be given all the glory forever, Amen (So be it)

• Amen. Intended to prompt a congregational response, when the letter is read aloud. It's not just the end of a prayer or an affirmation that you agree with what was said as so many use it today. Like when someone says, "The world is going to hell" and someone says, "Amen". Eek. Just saying, understand what you're saying "so be it" to.

Comments and Questions

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I had a rough idea where Galatia was on a world map. But I did not realize how big it was.

A good map image.

I've read and re-read the SOP for this ... it's confusing, not very helpful ... but from what I can fathom from what it's attempting to say ...(and I may, indeed, have gotten this wrong) ... is that when one clicks on the magenta "Study" there is the originator's presentation, along with a way for the reader to post back their follow-up comments ...

Re-reading the SOP ... it sounds like almost all feedback will be considered to be unwelcome debate argument for argument's sake ... questions are, apparently allowed, but not questions that point out anything that might be trying to point out any omissions, misdirection, or mistakes ... Know anyone that doesn't make a mistake, now and then?

But it also appears or seems to appear ... from reading the SOP ... that one can provide a feedback comment, HERE, where the originator's signature header only appears. That is, the person's feedback comments (positive or negative), as long as they comply with the general forum rules, are allowable, because they are only applicable, HERE in this forum, and not as arguments in the originator's special, study forum (when one has to click on the magenta "Study" button).

Or that's how I'm currently reading the SOP ... and if so, this would appear to be a fair and equitable way of conducting things for all concerned. That is, the "Study" originatore gets to run his own show, the way he wants it, without any outside "disruptions" ... but those of us, who can think for ourselves, are stilll allowed (as per the more general forum guidelines for all of us), can still make our objective comments, in this, the more general forum, where the Study originator can either reply to or simple ignore, as is the case in all other more general forum arenas ...

If the above is ... not ... the case, then that would mean that everyone on all forums, herein, would never be allowed to post (otherwise) to anything anyone mistakenly or misleadingly said, if they deemed themselves to be a special "Study" originator ... If that were the case, why have a christian forum at all,
just call it a preacher's soapbox, where the whole congregation is expected to sit quietly, and only say "Amen" at all the appropriate places ...