Corona virus. We should have taken proper steps in the beginning?

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No it isn't...actually there have been almost 400 bills and 150 resolutions sent to the senate.

You seem to be operating under the misguided precept that simply because the House passes a bill the Senate must also. Or that the bill is actually worth passing. Neither of those conditions are true.

For Vox, of all places, quote:

“From raising the minimum wage to ensuring equal pay, we have passed legislation to raise wages. And we have passed legislation to protect and expand health coverage and bring down prescription drug prices,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said in a statement to Vox. “We continue to urge Senator McConnell to take up our bills, many of which are bipartisan.”

Every bit of that is standard liberal double-speak.

From Fact-Check, quote:

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and others have been pushing back at Republican complaints of a “do-nothing Congress” by claiming the Democratic-controlled House has passed “more than 275 bipartisan bills” that are being blocked in the Republican-controlled Senate. But that list includes bills with as few as one Republican vote."

Additionally if you read over one of the actual bills, such as H.R. 1585 the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act, you find it packed with verbiage which defines violence as practically anything a woman wants it to be so that of course such a charge can be utilized to restrict the rights of the accused. Quote:

SEC. 1201. NOTIFICATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASE OR ATTEMPTED PURCHASE OF A FIREARM.

18 U.S.C. 922 note) is amended by adding at the end the following:

“SEC. 108. NOTIFICATION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OF PROHIBITED PURCHASE OF A FIREARM.

“(a) In General.—In the case of a background check conducted by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System pursuant to the request of a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer of firearms (as such terms are defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code), which background check determines that the receipt of a firearm by a person would violate subsection (g)(8), (g)(9), or (g)(10) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, and such determination is made after 3 business days have elapsed since the licensee contacted the System and a firearm has been transferred to that person, the System shall notify the law enforcement agencies described in subsection (b)."

McConnell is correct in delaying Democrat bills passed out of the House because by definition they are, to one degree or another, detrimental to the American people at large.

Oh yes, the old 2016 election selection

Do you actually believe the Mueller investigation was legitimate? Believe all that crap about Russian collusion was in any manner true? That Michael Avenatti was such a formidable force not only was he destined to be the next President of the United States he had Trump quivering in his shoes? Believe that some pompous Lieutenant Colonel decides US foreign policy, and that simply because said Lieutenant Colonel scribbled notes on a piece of paper the President was bound to discuss them during a Presidential phone-call? Did you actually believe the bodyguard of lies which poured out of Adan Schiff's mouth during the impeachment hearings?

I guess so.

If you check you'll see that it is McConnell's senate that won't discuss or bring bills to the floor...that is a fact!

And again, good for McConnell. The last thing Democrats at large ever hold to heart is the general welfare of the American people.

Yet, Schiff was right!

Schiff lied through his teeth. Here is what Adam Schiff said. Please read it and tell me which words President Trump actually spoke during the specified phone call with the President of Ukraine. Quote:

"And what is the President’s response — well it reads like a classic organized crime shake down. In essence, what the President Trump communicates is this: We’ve been very good to your country. Very good. No other country has done as much as we have. But you know what, I don’t see much reciprocity here. You know what I mean? I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you though. And I’m going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand? Lots of dirt, on this and on that. I’m going to put you in touch with people, and not just any people. I’m going to put you in touch with the Attorney General of the United States — my Attorney General, Bill Barr — he’s got the whole weight of American law enforcement behind him. And I’m going to put you in touch with Rudy, you’re going to love him. Trust me. You know what I’m asking, so I’m only going to say this a few more times, in a few more ways. And don’t call me again. I’ll call you when you’ve done what I asked."

The Senate is quite used to "sit and do nothing". So lets turn it around and state that the only thing the republicans do is defend trump's missteps...though with a brief - and assumed authorization to do so - criticism of his insertion into the military among other things.

What is this word-salad even referring to?

"Out of 100 senators, zero believe you on the argument there is no quid pro quo," Cruz said to Trump's defense team, according to the senator's own recollection that he shared with CNN on Wednesday. "Stop making it," Cruz added.

Who cares what Cruz said? According to the very article cited Cruz told CNN his "recollection" of something he said. In addition there exist no logical means by which Cruz could know what 99 other Senators either believed or were thinking. What is he, God?

Regardless, from the article cited, quote:

"It was inappropriate for the president to ask a foreign leader to investigate his political opponent and to withhold United States aid to encourage that investigation," Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) said before he voted to acquit Trump. Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, and Rob Portman of Ohio made similar claims."

Alexander advances an incorrect assumption, that President Trump asked a foreign leader to investigate his political opponent and withheld aide to ensure that happened. If you read the transcript of the phone call itself, you find Trump did neither of those things. Alexander's comment is invalid.

I appreciate that trumplicans believe this although no such evidence exists.

Have you not seen this video?


What Biden said in this video is exactly what those promoting the impeachment fantasy were desperate in their hope to have found President Trump said.
 
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Re: the much touted travel ban.
While Trump supporters are pointing to the Chinese travel ban, we should point out some information Reuters just learned.
The CDC had a field team in China for 30 years. When Trump was elected he brought 33 of the 47 employees back, firing them.
Imagine how much more knowledgeable and prepared we would have been had we not had an unprepared and unknowledgeable president who was elected at our peril!
 
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Re: the much touted travel ban.
While Trump supporters are pointing to the Chinese travel ban, we should point out some information Reuters just learned.
The CDC had a field team in China for 30 years. When Trump was elected he brought 33 of the 47 employees back, firing them.
Imagine how much more knowledgeable and prepared we would have been had we not had an unprepared and unknowledgeable president who was elected at our peril!
This issue seems to be debatable. It depends on who you ask it seems. From what ive read the Chinese CDC was a training program, not an early warning program. The problem was not in early detection but was censorship from China. Its unproven whether that censorship would not have been in place if this person was still in China. Below are random quotes from this article.

Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
The U.S. CDC said it first learned of a “cluster of 27 cases of pneumonia” of unexplained origin in Wuhan, China, on Dec. 31.

In a statement to Reuters, the U.S. CDC said the elimination of the adviser position did not hinder Washington’s ability to get information and “had absolutely nothing to do with CDC not learning of cases in China earlier.”

Asked for comment on Chinese transparency and responsiveness to the outbreak, China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs referred Reuters to remarks by spokesman Geng Shuang on Friday. Geng said the country “has adopted the strictest, most comprehensive, and most thorough prevention and control measures in an open, transparent, and responsible manner, and informed the (World Health Organization) and relevant countries and regions of the latest situation in a timely manner.”

One disease expert told Reuters he was skeptical that the U.S. resident adviser would have been able to get earlier or better information to the Trump administration, given the Chinese government’s suppression of information.

“In the end, based on circumstances in China, it probably wouldn’t have had made a big difference,” Scott McNabb, who was a CDC epidemiologist for 20 years and is now a research professor at Emory University. “The problem was how the Chinese handled it. What should have changed was the Chinese should have acknowledged it earlier and didn’t.”

Alex Azar, secretary of Health and Human Services, said Friday that his agency learned of the coronavirus in early January, based on Redfield’s conversations with “Chinese colleagues.”

Redfield learned that “this looks to be a novel coronavirus” from Dr. Gao Fu, the head of the China CDC, according to an HHS administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “Dr. Redfield always talked to Dr. Gao,” the official said.

Zhu and other sources said U.S. leaders should not have been relying on the China CDC director for alerts and updates. In general, they said, officials in China downplayed the severity of the outbreak in the early weeks and did not acknowledge evidence of person-to-person transmission until Jan. 20.

“Dr. Redfield and I made the offer on January 6th - 36 days ago, 60,000 cases and 1,300 deaths ago,” Azar said. “We made the offer to send the CDC experts in to assist their Chinese colleagues to get to the bottom of key scientific questions like, how transmissible is this disease? What is the severity? What is the incubation period and can there be asymptomatic transmission?”


On Feb. 25, the first day the CDC told the American public to prepare for an outbreak at home, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused China of mishandling the epidemic through its “censorship” of medical professionals and media.

The CDC, however, disputed that staffing was a problem or that its information had been limited by the move. “It was not the staffing shortage that limited our ability” it said.
 
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Again, it depends on who you ask.



Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak

The CDC did not respond to detailed questions submitted by Reuters about the cuts. It has insisted its staffing levels did not hinder the U.S. response to the coronavirus.

“There are many factors that go into decisions around staffing,” the CDC said in a statement.

Some health experts were skeptical that more CDC employees operating inside China would have made a difference in stemming the outbreak. Beijing has been widely criticized for silencing its own public health officials who warned of a deadly new respiratory disease emanating from the Chinese city of Wuhan and surrounding Hubei province.

“The problem was China, not that we didn’t have CDC people in China,” said Scott McNabb, a former CDC epidemiologist who is now a research professor with Emory University. He pointed to China’s censorship as the main culprit in the spread of the pandemic, which has infected at least 435,470 people worldwide, killed 19,598 and upended the global economy.

The NSF closed all foreign offices in 2018, according to spokesman Robert Margetta. He said the agency planned on “sending teams on short-term expeditions around the world to find ways to increase international collaborations.”

A USAID spokesman said the decision to shutter its Beijing office was “due to significantly decreased access to Chinese government officials as well as the Agency’s position that the Chinese model of development is not aligned with U.S. values and interests.”
 
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Re: the much touted travel ban.
While Trump supporters are pointing to the Chinese travel ban, we should point out some information Reuters just learned.
The CDC had a field team in China for 30 years. When Trump was elected he brought 33 of the 47 employees back, firing them.
Imagine how much more knowledgeable and prepared we would have been had we not had an unprepared and unknowledgeable president who was elected at our peril!
Just imagine how much better prepared we could've been for an unprecedented global pandemic if only President Trump was psychic and could've known that China would become a problem.

In the plus column, however, virtually everything candidate Trump said back in 2015 and 2016 has been vindicated. I guess that explain why Biden has been so camera-shy lately, eh?
 
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Really? I believe he will be remembered as the pollution-pandemic-plutocratic-pugnacious president.
I never expected any president to be psychic, but a working brain would be a plus.
You mean like Joe Biden and Mike Bloomberg? They didnt use their brain when falsely accusing Trump.
 
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Really? I believe he will be remembered as the pollution-pandemic-plutocratic-pugnacious president.
I never expected any president to be psychic, but a working brain would be a plus.
Just leaving this here.

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On a separate note, I read somewhere that America's per-capita infection rate is among the lowest in the world. A surprising endorsement of our healthcare system, I thought.
 
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I feel we should have began testing immediately for the virus in an attempt to contain it before it spread all over America. And we also should have began producing personal protective equipment for all frontline workers. This should have been done as quickly as possible.

Of course this is easy to say in hindsight. But to me it appears that either there was no plan, or that government officials didn't think it would be this bad. We're now in the worst case scenario of being ordered to not go out, which is not sustainable.
 
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I feel we should have began testing immediately for the virus in an attempt to contain it before it spread all over America. And we also should have began producing personal protective equipment for all frontline workers. This should have been done as quickly as possible.

Of course this is easy to say in hindsight. But to me it appears that either there was no plan, or that government officials didn't think it would be this bad. We're now in the worst case scenario of being ordered to not go out, which is not sustainable.
We were testing,but tests were delayed because the CDC manufactured the first Tests incorrectly.
 
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We were testing,but tests were delayed because the CDC manufactured the first Tests incorrectly.
Respectfully that misses my point. I feel that the private lab industry should have been put to work immediately supplying test kits with the expressed intent of containing the spread (tracking and stopping the contagion).
 
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Respectfully that misses my point. I feel that the private lab industry should have been put to work immediately supplying test kits with the expressed intent of containing the spread (tracking and stopping the contagion).
I believe they were and are making test kits, but the CDC has a responsibility to ensure a safe and accurate test.
 
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