Is this is a legitimate way to understand the title "Co-Redemptrix"?

bbbbbbb said:

Thanks for the good reply. You can rest securely knowing that you are not an Arminian, much less a Calvinist. Both theologies encompass far more than soteriology (the doctrine of salvation) and, unfortunately, most people tend to view Calvinists as being only monergists, as if that is the only doctrine in Christianity, or Arminians as being only synergists. I know some monergistic Arminians and some synergistic Calvinists.

The problem in Christianity seems to lie with human responses. As James points out in his letter, there are many who profess to be Christians (we have a virtual nation of "Christians") but their lives bear out a totally different story - there are no works that demonstrate a genuine faith in Jesus Christ. That said, if one actually does have saving faith and is a new creature in Christ he will not be like the dog or the sow that Peter refers to. We will naturally desire to love and obey God and to do His will.

The old questions, which you may have heard, go like this - "How many sins does it take in order for a person to become sinner?" and "How many times does a dog need to bark in order for it to become a dog?" The obvious answer is that both are born that way. People are sinners from birth and retain that nature until they die. The new nature, which is sinless in Christ, does not eliminate the original nature, but overcomes it such that the believer naturally desires to follow God.

Thanks again.

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GodsGrace101 said:

Well b, I think we agree.
I also believe we retain the sin nature but are given the strength to overcome it, but not completely.

I hear some that say they can live as they want and still be saved.

I hear some that say they never sin.

Both are impossible.

Some believe the sin nature is abolished when born again but then can't explain why they still sin.

Your last sentence is important...
WE DESIRE TO FOLLOW GOD.
Amen.

Thanks to you too...always nice to meet a level headed person.

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Newtheran said:

If I were you, I'd spend some time looking at Orthodox Mariology. They don't teach the existence of Purgatory, nor do they see Mary as a "co-" anything. It's a much cleaner Mariology than the Roman church has, being free of the various Mary-related innovations that they added after going into schism in 1054. The Difference Between the Catholic & Orthodox Veneration of Mary | Synonym

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JLHargus said:

The Orthodox do not call it purgatory but the concept is there. They pray for their dead to aid them on their way to complete union with God. They call this process Theosis, or deification (deification may also refer to apotheosis, lit. "making divine"), is a transformative process whose aim is likeness to or union with God, as taught by the Eastern Orthodox Church and Eastern Catholic Churches.

theosis definition - Google Search

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bbbbbbb said:

I agree. All too often I find myself frustrated in my attempts to engage in reasonably discussions here.

The irony with people who say that they can live as they want and still be saved is that they mean that they can still wallow in sin and be saved. A saved person genuinely does not want to sin and, therefore, is free to live as they want, which is in righteousness and good works.

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GodsGrace101 said:

Well b, I think we agree.
I also believe we retain the sin nature but are given the strength to overcome it, but not completely.

I hear some that say they can live as they want and still be saved.

I hear some that say they never sin.

Both are impossible.

Some believe the sin nature is abolished when born again but then can't explain why they still sin.

Your last sentence is important...
WE DESIRE TO FOLLOW GOD.
Amen.

Thanks to you too...always nice to meet a level headed person.

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JLHargus said:

The Orthodox do not call it purgatory but the concept is there. They pray for their dead to aid them on their way to complete union with God. They call this process Theosis, or deification (deification may also refer to apotheosis, lit. "making divine"), is a transformative process whose aim is likeness to or union with God, as taught by the Eastern Orthodox Church and Eastern Catholic Churches.

theosis definition - Google Search

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GodsGrace101 said:

Sure. I know this verse is used by universalists...but I also gave the reason why I do NOT take it to mean all men are saved. It is still a choice we make by our reply to God.


I'm sure you know much more about this than I do.
I know that calvinists are monergistic because they believe God does everything for us. He probably even obeys us for us. Right. Determinism means God has predestined everything. I know I'm a synergist because man must cooperate. I don't know what heresies either one would lead to....


Hmmm. I see. Well, I guess anything brought to an extreme is not a good thing....the right, Fascism.
The left, Communism.

God is sovereign and could do WHATEVER HE WISHES....after all, it is God that created everything...I think he could save everybody if HE WANTED TO. But His plan is different....He offers, we reply.

Works don't save but they become an action that is taken by those that are saved because our faith requires action. Faith without works is a dead faith.

Jesus being secondary? I don't understand this.
Those that are synergists believe they are more important than Jesus??


This is a reason why I don't believe the reformed faith is correct....it removes man's responsibility for sin.


OK,,,but you have to lean in one direction or other....
That's like saying I'm not liberal and I'm not conservative. You don't have to agree with EVERYTHING conservatives believe....but you have to choose which side you're more aligned with.

I'm always told I'm an Arminian. I don't even know who Arminus was or what he believed.

Maybe this is why labels are not very good to use?

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JLHargus said:

I GodsGrace101: I agree with you. I'm not a calvinist. Sovereignty just means that God rules over all and that He can do whatever He wants to do...EVEN THOUGH we have free will. His sovereignty cannot be resisted....but His grace can. Think on that.

JL: I would say His sovereignty can be resisted but not overpowered.

GodsGrace101: As to Mary being chosen... God knew she would say yes.

JL: Yes

GodsGrace101: But was this not the right time for Jesus to be born?

JL: Yes

GodsGrace101: Did Mary decide it was the right time or God?

JL: The Lord

GodsGrace101: Wasn't she prepared for this? Virgin birth, good mother, etc.

JL: I don’t know that God prepared her any differently than any virgin for giving birth or being a good mother.

GodsGrace101: And she was born immaculate.

JL: yes

GodsGrace101: Wasn't this also a preparation that SHE had nothing to do with?

JL: Yes, and God in His foreknowledge knew, all the above, and that Mary would by free will say yes. God never by His sovereign power made her say yes.

GodsGrace101: I'm not fighting with you... just making some points you might want to think about. It makes us grow in our knowledge and broadens our horizons. Good stuff to think about.

JL: So, you are trying to tell me, by the above questions, God by His sovereign power made Mary say yes to be mother of Christ.

My answer would be, God in His foreknowledge knew how Mary or any being will freely act at any second of their life, even from the beginning of creation and He works with that free will not contrary to it.

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