LDS Why do Mormons really not understand the Cross?

I don't really want to get involved in the present argument, but I feel like it should be pointed out that a great number of languages -- including traditional 'Biblical' languages -- either did not have a capital/lower-case distinction until long after the writing of the scriptures (e.g., Greek, Coptic, etc.), or have never had such a distinction (e.g., Syriac). Granted, with a made-up language like Joseph Smith's 'Reformed Egyptian', I guess it really doesn't matter...

(That said, I try to remember the properly reverent capitalization that is used in the English language when typing in English, and will edit a post to include it if I notice later that I have forgotten it. Putting any form of pronoun used by or about Christ in lower-case in English is disrespectful and will likely read that way, even if it is not intentionally so.)

Jamesone5 said:

You are really try to get out of what you originally said.


The me is Jesus Christ.---He is the Way

and then

"With the help of Oliver Cowdery, the Prophet prepared the second (1837) edition. ---He is the Way

No wonder you do not understand the Cross, you diminish it's importance and then tell us Jesus Who died on it was just a me

That me could be referring to anybody except Joseph Smith who claimed he was a Prophet.
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And still nothing about doing God's work or keeping His commandments which is the true test of a true Christian:

(New Testament | Matthew 7:16 - 17)

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Where are these fruits?:

(New Testament | Matthew 5:14 - 16)

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jamesone5 said:

But that is the point I am taking here---Mormons do not realize they are disrespecting Christ in their deception and building their prophet up by calling him a Prophet.

We could get into the English translations later and why some words were capitalized at times and others times were not in referring to an individual or Christ on another Thread.

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Still nothing about doing the work of God or keeping the commandments.

Jamesone5 said:

What? No answers for this point which really is really on topic?

The me is Jesus Christ.---He is the Way

and then

"With the help of Oliver Cowdery, the Prophet prepared the second (1837) edition. ---He is the Way

No wonder you do not understand the Cross, you diminish it's importance and then tell us Jesus Who died on it was just a me

Please explain for me how you can come to the conclusions you did--- for me as Christ and your false prophet as a Prophet.

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Still nothing about doing the work of God or keeping the commandments.

Jamesone5 said:

Guess you first have to explain why you referred to Christ as 'me" and your prophet as a Prophet before you can go on.

And then we can get to the point of why Mormons do not understand the cross

You up for it?

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I answered that question in post #375

Jamesone5 said:

Quite obvious here from both sides. Just bunch of words from you.

Now if you are interested in starting a thread about works of God and the commandments, by all means do it.

This Thread is about:
Why do Mormons really not understand the Cross?

but then, I can take the question mark out of it as I already figured out through the Holy Spirit why that is.

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Yes I understand the meaning of the cross, it is serving God and keeping His commandments to show my LOVE for Him. You also fingered through the spirit that Joseph and Hyrum were the only ones in the cell of the Carthage jail during the attack. That does not explain how John Taylor was shot four times during the attack if he was not there. You are getting desperate now.

Jamesone5 said:

So God did not die on the Cross? Seems you have to understand Who made the ultimate Sacrifice before you try to talk about something else.


Focus.

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Jesus did die on the cross so that He might draw all men to Him and worship Him and LOVE Him, not that we should worship the cross, but keep His commandments:

(New Testament | John 12:32 - 34)

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

Jamesone5 said:

[QUOTE="He is the way, post: 74842798, member: 408936"I answered that question in post #375[/QUOTE ]

This is you non-answer in post #375

The me does not need to be capitalized:

(New Testament | Luke 18:22)

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

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The me was not capitalized in the Bible, is the Bible wrong?

Jamesone5 said:

How does that relate to making a case for Mormons understand the Cross?

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You asked the question in post #392, and I answered it.

Did Christ's apostles make themselves crossed to carry around?

Jamesone5 said:

Jesus did die on the cross so that He might draw all men to Him and worship Him and LOVE Him, not that we should worship the cross, but keep His commandments:

Who said you have to worhip the Cross?

And if it is so imprtant what exclude it?

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Jesus was lifted upon the cross to draw men to Him, not to draw men to the cross. We are to LOVE and obey Him, not the cross. Our cross is not a physical cross that we carry around, it is a willingness to suffer for Him.
(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.