Everyone's opinion on alcohol??

Dave-W said:

Alcohol kills bacteria but has little effect on most viruses. Whether it affects corona viruses has not been studied, but is unlikely.

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Alcohol disrupts the lip membrane virus’ have if it’s about 60% or higher.

Larnievc said:

Alcohol disrupts the lip membrane virus’ have if it’s about 60% or higher.

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On SOME viruses, not all. Whether it works on the corona family or not is unknown.

Dave-W said:

On SOME viruses, not all. Whether it works on the corona family or not is unknown.

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The WHO seem to know. 60% is effective at disrupting the lipid bi-layer.

Marumorose said:

Like i said we do have 0% alcohol wines in South Africa
And if it is possible to have a non-alcoholic wine today, that would mean that they also did during those times because nothing is actually new in the world. The technology that we use today existed a long time ago. We are just now having the opportunity to experience it in this consciousness
Let's take a look at the Pyramid of Giza for example. Noboby knows exactly how the pyramid was built. We cannot build a structure like that today.

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By that reasoning people two thousand years ago had access to satellite broadcasts, the internet, vaccines, and the automobile. But they very much--and very obviously--did not.

Pasteurization is a modern technology. It did not exist two thousand years ago. There was no way to preserve the pressings from grapes and inhibit fermentation. The natural yeasts that simply exist on the grapes themselves would take their course and the pressings from the grapes would become wine--all on their own. There was no way, technologically, to stop nature from taking its course.

It's not even a question of whether or not Jesus drank wine. Because of course He did.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

By that reasoning people two thousand years ago had access to satellite broadcasts, the internet, vaccines, and the automobile. But they very much--and very obviously--did not.

Pasteurization is a modern technology. It did not exist two thousand years ago. There was no way to preserve the pressings from grapes and inhibit fermentation. The natural yeasts that simply exist on the grapes themselves would take their course and the pressings from the grapes would become wine--all on their own. There was no way, technologically, to stop nature from taking its course.

It's not even a question of whether or not Jesus drank wine. Because of course He did.

-CryptoLutheran

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Absolutely.
And even if they had pasteurisation, they would also need vacuum packing to stop airborne yeasts starting the fermentation all over again.

Bacey92 said:

Hi everyone,

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on alcohol? if drinking of any alcohol allowed? as well as what "appearance of sin" is? in the biblical, Godly sense

Thank you

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The Bible is not against having a glass of wine, it even speaks of strong wine for medical purposes.

I don't drink, at all. I do find as a result I have zero tolerance, 1/2 glass of wine will get me extremely tipsy, but there's no tolerance in my family either, as none drank at all.

My husband has the occasional beer with no adverse effects, and will periodically...

The Bible is good with that. It's only against getting drunk.

Bacey92 said:

Hi everyone,

I would like to hear everyone's opinion on alcohol? if drinking of any alcohol allowed? as well as what "appearance of sin" is? in the biblical, Godly sense

Thank you

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I support Prohibition. Alcohol should be illegal because it’s a sin, since millions of people are killed by drunk drivers.

Big Boo said:

I support Prohibition. Alcohol should be illegal because it’s a sin, since millions of people are killed by drunk drivers.

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Great logic there @Big Boo, you will go far with that sort of thinking.
Here's a few more great ideas.
Cars should be banned because millions of people are killed by none sober drivers

Francis Drake said:

Great logic there @Big Boo, you will go far with that sort of thinking.
Here's a few more great ideas.
Cars should be banned because millions of people are killed by none sober drivers

Sex should be banned because rape is a sin.
Governments should be banned because they have slaughtered billions of people.

Yes this is very silly, all of it.

But the silliness all starts when you make the false assumption that drinking alcohol is a sin.​

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It's always better to fall back on what scripture says than use human reason. Godly reasoning is always more powerful and logical.

Big Boo said:

It's always better to fall back on what scripture says than use human reason. Godly reasoning is always more powerful and logical.

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Absolutely, so why the complete nonsense about alcohol being a sin.

Big Boo said:

I support Prohibition.

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The drug cartels are thrilled to have you on their side.

Big Boo said:

Alcohol should be illegal because it’s a sin,

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As is not believing in your religion, should I be jailed for that?

Big Boo said:

since millions of people are killed by drunk drivers.

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Drunk driving is already illegal.

Larnievc said:

Alcohol disrupts the lip membrane virus’ have if it’s about 60% or higher.

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My husband says he's trying it if he gets sick.. lol. He bought some 151 today, I think that's 75% he says... thats his just in case his insides need sanitized he said.

Hazelelponi said:

My husband says he's trying it if he gets sick.. lol. He bought some 151 today, I think that's 75% he says... thats his just in case his insides need sanitized he said.

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That doesn't work, in order to drink enough alcohol to kill the virus inside your body, you would need to drink enough to kill yourself too.

Strathos said:

That doesn't work, in order to drink enough alcohol to kill the virus inside your body, you would need to drink enough to kill yourself too.

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Ahh... I'll tell him.

Strathos said:

That doesn't work, in order to drink enough alcohol to kill the virus inside your body, you would need to drink enough to kill yourself too.

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Sometimes you have to destroy the village to save it.

Desk trauma said:

Sometimes you have to destroy the village to save it.

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My village is still strong but the outlying communities of Liver, Kidney, Vision, and Heart have suffered. Plus there are some undesirables that have been trying to move in, Obesity, and Diabetes, but we have been fighting the good fight. We have set up road blocks on the arteries that service our village, led by
Colonel Esterall and the Home Defense League. But the opposition is trying to bypass this. They are headed by a Colonel Oscopy.

Big Boo said:

It's always better to fall back on what scripture says than use human reason. Godly reasoning is always more powerful and logical.

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Scripture doesn't forbid the consumption of alcohol, but does caution against its over-consumption. Alcohol isn't a problem, but it doesn't take a genius to know that too much alcohol can be a problem.

You are absolutely free to abstain from alcohol. I even think there are people who should abstain from alcohol completely, it is in the best interest of an alcoholic to abstain from alcohol because the disease of addiction is a serious thing. But for most people it is purely a matter of individual choice whether to drink or to abstain.

I don't drink, or rather I almost never drink. Every few months I might feel like a beer or cider. It's not a moral choice, I just don't generally have a desire to drink an alcoholic beverage. It's just preference.

This sort of dogmatic teetotalism is an example of moralism, of attempting to control behavior by saying "Don't taste, don't touch" as St. Paul describes in Colossians ch. 2. Taking non-moral issues and moralizing them for the purpose of placing additional yokes and controls on people. It's no different then saying women can't wear trousers, or men can't have long hair, or any number of moralistic, religiously manipulative things people like to force on others. Such moralism always pretends at being piety, but it is always nothing more than a justification for self-righteousness and being judgmental. Things which most certainly are condemned in Scripture.

Moralism is always just another form of antinomianism; it is a cleaning of the outside of the cup while ignoring the inside. Moralism is the white-washed sepulcher.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Moralism is always just another form of antinomianism; it is a cleaning of the outside of the cup while ignoring the inside. Moralism is the white-washed sepulcher.

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Could you elaborate? Wiki has it that antinomianism is an extreme grace position (my words) -- Christians aren't bound by moral law. Wouldn't moralism be anti-antinomianism?

Tinker Grey said:

Could you elaborate? Wiki has it that antinomianism is an extreme grace position (my words) -- Christians aren't bound by moral law. Wouldn't moralism be anti-antinomianism?

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My statement is in a sense an assertion of irony: Those who advocate moralism are, in fact, lawless. Creating a system of moralistic rules as a substitute for the actual commandments of God--Love your neighbor as yourself, bless those who curse you, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, etc. It is the pretense and the superficial appearance of lawfulness.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

My statement is in a sense an assertion of irony: Those who advocate moralism are, in fact, lawless. Creating a system of moralistic rules as a substitute for the actual commandments of God--Love your neighbor as yourself, bless those who curse you, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, etc. It is the pretense and the superficial appearance of lawfulness.

-CryptoLutheran

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Ah. Makes sense. Thanks.