Trump told Pence not to call governors who aren’t ‘appreciative’

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You might not know what it is, or you might want to pretend to not know what it is, but the fact is that Trump is redistributing wealth as response to the pandemic, and that is socialism, and you were praising it. Calling it a 'stimulus' doesn't change the fact that it's socialism. And the fact that it's socialism doesn't change the fact that it's more socialism for the wealthy and corporations than for the common, average American. But it is still redistribution of wealth and still socialism.

Call that what you want, but I'm not interested in buying into what you think Trump is doing when he is doing no more than helping people out of a bad time. WOW.

Will you be keeping your check? And if so, does that mean you buy into his "Socialism"
 
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Call that what you want, but I'm not interested in buying into what you think Trump is doing when he is doing no more than helping people out of a bad time. WOW.
That's what socialism should do and usually does - helps people out of a bad time. Pretend it isn't socialism all you want, the fact remains is that it's not capitalism and it's not the free market that can get us out of this which is why you recognize socialism as 'help' instead of something bad.

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Absolutely!!! To both!!! My only problem with his socialism is that he is giving more to those who need it less and less to those who need it more. But I'm certainly glad for this socialism, it's better than none. We need more of it. Glad you're happy with socialism too, even if you want to pretend it's not.
 
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That's one way out of it. lol!

I wonder if the notion of Donald having to share credit with the Hated Pelosi is what's so upsetting, or the notion of DOnald charing credit in general?

You do realize what people think can also be a fact,

It can also be a fantasy. Make a point?

and the facts of what Pelosi was doing was splattered all over the news (oddball funny stuff).

I'm going to need some credible sources before your word can be taken at face value.

Such sources should be no problem for you to produce.
 
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I think you aren't understanding impeachment. The president was impeached....Forever. lol

Shame I was using the term as a direct quote from a Republican Senator..

Yes I know how impeachment works.
 
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Does the stimulus that keeps people working and businesses going under, thus keeping jobs, is good as creating them?

Sure, but again, that hasn’t done anything *yet*. I’m sure it will eventually do a bunch of stuff, but it had no effect on the first ~3.25 years of the Trump administration.

What I think of you? The same as I think of any opposer, they are all the same, they simply will not see anything good that Trump does...period

I may surprise you.

All I'm going to do is link you to a site that explains the jobs created of which there is a list of those who created them, and Trump being the highest on the list. It should give you an idea of all the things done to create those jobs. Is that what you want?

If it describes *what* he did to create those jobs, sure. At worst, it’s a start.
 
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Sorry, once a poster shows me they cannot defend themselves and has to call in help because of ther lack of defense, that's the end of of my present and future conversations with them.

Please take note for future reference.

I'm not sure why you'd think this would have anything to do with what I wrote. I mean, just judging by the tone of the words used it seems like an attempt at a personal attack and goading, but it honestly doesn't make much sense given the rest of the discussion. Maybe if there were some actual facts included it would help ground it? I don't know, seems like a weird post to bring up out of the blue?
 
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I don’t see how anyone could defend this. It’s sociopathic in the extreme.

Normally, I would agree, but over the last 3 years, we've seen Trump's supporters repeatedly defend the indefensible.

This thread is evidence that his supporters will defend this behavior.
 
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And why do you think they can't stand it? You sincerely believe that Trump is the "best President yet" and is "getting the country straightened out," right? Those of us who don't support Trump believe just as sincerely that he the worst President since James Buchanan and is running the country into the ground, destroying all that America stands for.

I'm no history buff, but I disagree with the "since James Buchanan" part of your statement. The rest, however, I agree with.
 
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I'm no history buff, but I disagree with the "since James Buchanan" part of your statement. The rest, however, I agree with.
To me, it's just a funny expression (and, of course, James Buchanan was a rotten president.) Another one I like derives from an old church I came across once somewhere in Georgia. There was a state historic plaque attached to it which touted the building as "The oldest Episcopal Church West of the Monongahela River." OK.
 
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The news media IS like the National Enquirer...

...except that Donald has the National Enquirer in his pocket... which is why he never has to rage at it.

remember the reason for impeachment? It was all made up...nothing there.

48 United States Senators thought differently -- including one from his own party... a historic first in America.

They, like many here make things up about Trump constantly because they can't stand the fact he turned out to be the best president yet.

Out of curiosity, what criteria are you using?

He's all over getting the country straightened out and they hate him for that especially, as it throws it right in the face of Dems and the like, that they were wrong about him, and the reality is, he knows exactingly what he is doing.

Examples, please?

I'm glad I don't live in complete denial on this.

You forgot the winking smiley.
 
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This is why most people say they don't like lawyers. Or Congress (which is mostly made up of lawyers). Too much partisan irrationality. (Which I define as ignoring really simple reasoning, and denying facts that are easily provable. That is partisanship at its worst.) Most ordinary people, especially during late childhood, have an innate sense of fair play that permits them to play nicely together. A neighborhood gang can even play baseball without umpires, or basketball without referees, and with nobody telling them that girls can't participate. They just play. And they have fun. Because when nice kids agree to their own rules, call their own balls, strikes, and outs, they actually try to be fair to the other team as well as their own team. Even strong differences of honest opinion usually get settled after only a few expressions of outrage. Even then, an agreement will usually be reached within a short time, and then the game resumes with everybody happy.


Lawyers and politicians don't play that way. They play to win at all costs, fairness be damned. And for that they pay a price in public stature. Politicians are not generally regarding as altogether decent people. They are not popular. Currently, the Democratic Party, according to one source, is viewed favorably by 40% of respondents, and unfavorably by 51%, for a net negative of 11%. The Republican Party does even worse, with 35% favorable and 56% unfavorable, for a net negative of 21%. The American people truly do not like their governing class. They think both parties are hopelessly partisan. I tend to agree. But, like that jury working to wade through the gaslighting of both lawyers, individual voters need to decide which party to support, or whether to shun both. I have chosen to vote Democratic, but not because I think that Democrats are saints. I merely think that, on balance, they are less bad than Republicans. Not primarily because of Donald Trump’s poor personal character, but because of the merits of Republican vs. Democratic priorities. Neither side is totally good, but the Democratic side, when compared to Biblical standards—which matter greatly to me—comes out significantly better in my book.

I will not hate on those who disagree with me, but I will call them out when they get into fairness be damned territory.

What does that have to do with this thread? I’m just expressing my opinion of partisans on either side who argue like lawyers in court while practicing fairness be damned. I'm not saying that all, or even most, of the posts here are too partisan, but some sure are. And idealistic as it may be, reason and fairness still matter to me. I remember what it was like, playing nice with others who played nice in return. I wish more adults could be that way.
 
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Will you be keeping your check? And if so, does that mean you buy into his "Socialism"

We're not the ones who have been denouncing Socialism as evil...

.... and for a $1200 check, neither are you anymore.
 
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One should be careful about making such statements. The President is single-handedly fighting the COVID 19 and the disloyal. His burdens are great. His heart is heavy. His sleep fitful.
I am a little mixed up. Surely you are joking. I have read other things you've written that are much more logical.
 
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48 United States Senators thought differently -- including one from his own party... a historic first in America.

What they "think" evidently didn't matter. You do understand the concept of losing a case, right?

Out of curiosity, what criteria are you using?

For what exactly?

Examples, please?

You really expect me to bother when you can't even accept a lost court case? You'll throw all kinds of rediculous arguments at it, if I did actually bother citing them. You have earned the right to no examples as in this case, it would be a waste of my time..

You forgot the winking smiley.

;)
 
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The governor of Michigan just said but they have not received anything from the federal government since March 22nd and that providing businesses have been sending things to the federal government instead of to her state
I fear did President Trump's petty narcissism has just turned into criminally negligent homicide.

I read today that the Governor of Michigan, who is fast making a reputation for herself as a whiner without cause, was complaining about not getting needed supplies from the federal government although she had neglected to ask the President to declare the state involved in an emergency situation.

apparently the other governors who received such aid, after following the necessary procedures, knew what they were doing.

FEMA: Michigan has not requested major disaster declaration for coronavirus
 
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Well, the Party of Trump (TOP) would call George W. Bush “a person who acts like they are the members of a Party but they really aren’t” or some other term that was recently added to the banned word list here on CF.
I’m sure if Ronald Reagan had been running against Trump in the 2016 primaries, Trump would have given him one of those childish nicknames, called him soft on... everything... and Trump supporters would have eaten it up.
 
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