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Actually, Jesus healed Malchus's ear that was chopped off by Peter.

"And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. " (Luke 22:50-51).

The word "Healed" is used rather than replaced, or grew back. So Jesus replaced the ear or it was never completely severed anyway. Or...the wound was healed instantly. I use a styptic pencil to instantly stop bleeding. But I appreciate your searching for truth. I do make mistakes.

I was always surprised that the miracles of Jesus were not "Creative" acts until I finally concluded he didn't use that power. (Changing water to wine the possible exception. Though changing people's perception of the water would not be difficult for God.)

It's "a miracle" that Jesus didn't "pull a rabbit out of a hat." That would have undermined his message forever if anything he did could be duplicated by magicians rather than the power of the Spirit. I am impressed that Jesus choose not to perform miracles that magicians could duplicate and instead rely on the power of the Spirit to affect change.
 
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The woman at the well appeared to recognize that Jesus was the Messiah.

I know; sorry, I meant of those who were present in that crowd, only Bartimaeus realised who Jesus was.
"Son of David" was a Messianic title. All the others who were present could see Jesus, but none of them used this title of him.

I was contrasting those who could see Jesus but didn't know him, with Bartimaeus, who couldn't see him, yet knew who he was.
 
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Jesus healed people, by the power of God, from physical illnesses - and even brought them back from death. Read about Bartimaeus, the man born blind, Simon's mother in law who had a fever, Jairus' daughter, Lazarus, and others who were deaf and crippled.

All physical conversions or healings that can be done are through the Holy Spirit and not "magical powers" or "Creative flashes" like people preach that God works.
 
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The word "Healed" is used rather than replaced, or grew back. So Jesus replaced the ear or it was never completely severed anyway. Or...the wound was healed instantly. I use a styptic pencil to instantly stop bleeding. But I appreciate your searching for truth. I do make mistakes.

I was always surprised that the miracles of Jesus were not "Creative" acts until I finally concluded he didn't use that power. (Changing water to wine the possible exception. Though changing people's perception of the water would not be difficult for God.)

It's "a miracle" that Jesus didn't "pull a rabbit out of a hat." That would have undermined his message forever if anything he did could be duplicated by magicians rather than the power of the Spirit.

It says in the Scriptures that his right ear was cut off. "and cut off his right ear." That does not mean it was dangling.

As for turning water into wine: I would say that was a creative act, and not a mere illusion. Are you not arguing against your very own point?

Side Note:

I believe Jesus worked by the power of God the Father, the Holy Spirit, and by His own power, as well. Not sure if any Christian here actually believes that Jesus used magical trickery. So I am not sure why you would bring that up.
 
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Absolutely not. He first treated/healed them of physical blindness and as a result they were able to see spiritually. Not all who are physically healed acknowledge God.
"And as they went, they were cleansed. One of them, when he saw that he was healed, returned with a loud voice glorifying God, and fell down on his face at His feet, giving Him thanks. And he was a Samaritan." (Luke 17:14-16)
All who were healed were healed through the power of the Holy Spirit.
How each person spiritually responded has never been documented.
 
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It says in the Scriptures that his right ear was cut off. "and cut off his right ear." That does not mean it was dangling.

And we don't know that healing meant he looked handsome after. People just assume that wearing their "Jesus" glasses.
 
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And we don't know that healing meant he looked handsome after. People just assume that.

What?! So you believe Jesus did not perfectly heal Malchus?

o_O
 
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What?! So you believe Jesus did not perfectly heal Malchus?

o_O
Back then, Justin Bieber good looks was not as critical as today.
People had flesh rotting off. Healing meant it stopped falling off.
 
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And we don't know that healing meant he looked handsome after. People just assume that wearing their "Jesus" glasses.

The Scriptures say, "And he touched his ear, and healed him."

The Scriptures does not say, "And he touched his ear, and he somewhat healed him."

The Scriptures does not say, "And he touched his ear, and he reattached his ear somewhat."​

Come on now.
 
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But he never replaced body parts.

Like I said, how do you know?
The text doesn't say, "and the lepers had their fingers and toes restored", but how do you know that that didn't happen?

People were healed through the power of their spirit.

People were healed through the power of the Holy Spirit.

The human body is capable of miracles once the Spirit is healed. Even recovery after death and repair of failed organs.

So Jesus didn't actually heal, he just gave a 'positive thinking' pep talk and their own bodies did the rest?
How do you suppose that Lazarus' dead, grave clothes bound body restored itself?

I'm not saying that those with eyes are saved. But those who are saved by the Spirit, can be recovered if not too far gone.

?? I don't know what that means.
You previously said that spiritual and physical blindness were the same thing.

Jeremiah 30:17
For I will restore health to you, and your wounds I will heal, declares the Lord, because they have called you an outcast: ‘It is Zion, for whom no one cares!’

Psalm 41:3
The Lord sustains him on his sickbed; in his illness you restore him to full health.

Isaiah 58:8
Then shall your light break forth like the dawn, and your healing shall spring up speedily; your righteousness shall go before you; the glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.

Psalm 6:2
Be gracious to me, O Lord, for I am languishing; heal me, O Lord, for my bones are troubled.

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, as it goes well with your soul.

Jeremiah 33:6
Behold, I will bring to it health and healing, and I will heal them and reveal to them abundance of prosperity and security.

Proverbs 17:22
A joyful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying; give without pay.

Leviticus 13:46
He shall remain unclean as long as he has the disease. He is unclean. He shall live alone. His dwelling shall be outside the camp.

What are you trying to show by these out of context verses? That Jesus heals? I know; that's not in dispute.

The Spirit controls the body.

Body and mind are linked and have an impact on each other, yes.
But I know of people with cancer who are cheerful and have faith. Whereas there are some miserable people walking around who don't believe in/trust God and are spiritually dead - yet in good physical health.

You haven't answered the question about whether you consider Paul's writings to be inspired, and part of Scripture. And if not, you shouldn't be here.
 
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All physical conversions or healings that can be done are through the Holy Spirit and not "magical powers"

Who ever said that physical healings are a result of "magical powers"?
 
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Back then, Justin Bieber good looks was not as critical as today.
People had flesh rotting off. Healing meant it stopped falling off.

I don't listen to Hillsong music anymore. Nor was I ever a fan of Bieber seeing I have always been more of a macho testerone kind of guy.
So let's leave it [i.e. the good looks] to Bieber, shall we?

As for the important issue here:
It says that the ear was cut off. Jesus then put His hand on his ear and healed him. You either believe these words in Scripture, or you don't believe them. Then again, this is what this thread is about. The Parable of the Sower and hearing all of God's Word.

Side Note:

Oh, and the healing of Malchus's ear was not about good looks. The miracle was a glory and proof of God. A half miracle would just really not be the glory of God taking place. If God heals, He will heal completely.
 
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To all:

I believe Jesus touched the side of Malchus's head (where there was no ear) and he perfectly recreated a new ear for him. I believe the old ear that was cut off ear (by Peter) remained on the ground. I believe that when the Scriptures say that when Jesus touched his ear, I believe this is referring to his inner ear, and Jesus gave Malchus and entirely new outer ear.

This was a perfect healing.

There was no scars.

He did not look like Frankenstein afterwards.

What would that say of our Messiah if He did not heal completely and perfectly during His earthly ministry? Was there any place in the Scriptures where Jesus healed but it was only partially? This is crazy talk. I cannot believe that we are even having this conversation. Why would one want to water down the miracles of our Lord Jesus Christ?

Anyways, my encouragement is if one thinks Jesus did not perfectly heal, all I can say to such a person is to....

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As for the important issue here:
It says that the ear was cut off. Jesus then put His hand on his ear and healed him. You either believe these words in Scripture, or you don't believe them.

Jesus reattached the ear or stopped the bleeding. Either one.
I am not required to believe what you believe.
That Jesus formed a new ear like magic.
 
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To all:

I believe Jesus touched the side of Malchus's head (where there was no ear) and he perfectly recreated a new ear for him.

That's fine. But It's not necessary for us to worship your beliefs.
 
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That’s reasonable and a good point.

I’m with you totally in your concept of the Christian life and obeying Jesus as Lord.


I just wanted to point out that the “word” in Luke 8:12 or
Matthew 13:19 is referring to the Gospel message and not necessarily the scriptures.


You and I both agree that a born again Christian must obey the Lord, His Commandments and Doctrine if they want to remain “in Christ”.



JLB

The gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (i.e. Believing Christ died for our sins, and that He was buried, and risen three days later for our salvation) was not fully revealed yet during the giving of the Parable of the Sower. I believe the gospel message at that time was believing in Jesus Christ in that He saved. Jesus saved people from sickness, demon possessions, and forgave sins. Jesus even talked about believing in Him for everlasting life (John 3:16). Some and not all picked upon the fact that He was the Messiah (the Savior). Today, we must believe in the gospel as per 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 as per being initially saved. Yet, this was not the case around the time the Parable of the Sower was given. This tells me that it is hearing all of those essential and necessary things in God's Word that is tied with salvation.

When we look at all three explanations on the Parable of the Sower, we see some slight differences in regards to the seed that was fallen by the wayside.

#1. Matthew says: "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side." (Matthew 13:19). Note: While I am not arguing against how this text is referring to "Initial Salvation," nothing is written here about how it is exclusively implying "Initial Salvation" alone.

#2. Mark says: "And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts. " (Mark 4:15). Note: Like the gospel of Matthew, nothing is indicative here that this is exclusively referring to "Initial Salvation" alone (Even though it can refer to "Initial Salvation").

#3. Luke says: "Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved." (Luke 8:12). Note: Luke 8:12 is the only verse that implies that it may be referring exclusively to "Initial Salvation" because it says that the devil is taking the seed out of their heart so as to prevent a person from believing, whereby they will be saved. But Matthew and Mark do not say include this bit of truth.

Also, we know that there are people out there who probably started off good, and believed in Jesus for salvation and then later when they were confronted with the Trinity or the Incarnation, something within them chose not to believe those words in Scripture; As a result they fell away by not believing all of the words of the Kingdom (the word of God). Jesus did not mention another kind of belief or seed that would describe this in his parable. So this kind of situation has to be answered or addressed by His Parable.

Does the other seeds of falling away due to unbelief in fit the other kinds of seeds in the parable?

I see the seed on stony ground that fell away was due to two reasons (When looking at all of the gospel accounts).

Luke says:

"They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away." (Luke 8:13).

Matthew says:

"But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended." (Matthew 13:20-21).

Luke says the stony ground seed fell away due to temptation in general.
Yet, Matthew says that the stony seed fell away due to being offended by the Word in being persecuted or in facing tribulation on the account of the Word. In other words, I see both truths in both gospels as being true.

So getting back to the 1st seed in the Parable: When I look at the seed that has fallen by the wayside, I take this to mean that it can refer to either:

(a) Not understanding any part of God's Word (Scripture) at any particular point (regardless if one has believed correctly on other Scripture) (Matthew, & Mark), and:

(b) Not understanding the gospel message (for our current point in time) (Luke).​

For in order for this Parable to exclusively be referring to "Initial Salvation" alone, it would have to imply words that were more heavily focused on that point in all three gospel accounts by using words like "when a person first hears the word of the kingdom for the first time," or "when one hears the the gospel of the kingdom," etc.

For currently in your view on the Parable: There is no seed in Christ's Parable describing a person who first accepts Jesus and the gospel and is saved, and then later falls away due to rejecting the Trinity, or rejecting the Incarnation. In my understanding on the Parable: I believe the first seed (the seed by the wayside) would cover this kind of belief.

Anyways, I say this not to offend, brother; But I say this in the hope this helps you to see where I am coming from. We can agree to disagree on this point, and rejoice in that we both agree that believers must obey God as a part of salvation.

In any event, may God bless you greatly today.

With loving kindness to you in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ J.
 
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That's fine. But It's not necessary for us to worship your beliefs.

I didn't write the Bible, so there is no such thing as my beliefs. There is only my relaying to you in what the Bible says. I am not saying I cannot be wrong on God's Word. I have been wrong in the past. I am not infallible. But there are certain things I do know that are essential to the faith that are true and unquestionable, I believe have been revealed to me by God's Spirit and by what His Word plainly says (Like: The Trinity, God is good, etc.). All one has to do is believe.
 
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Jesus reattached the ear or stopped the bleeding. Either one.
I am not required to believe what you believe.
That Jesus formed a new ear like magic.

You are free to believe Jesus imperfectly healed the man if you wish (with it looking ugly with scars remaining and or his ear halfway attached with it dangling); But if that is what you believe, then this just sounds utterly ridiculous in light of what we know of the Lord, and what His Word says.
 
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The word "Healed" is used rather than replaced, or grew back. So Jesus replaced the ear or it was never completely severed anyway. Or...the wound was healed instantly. I use a styptic pencil to instantly stop bleeding. But I appreciate your searching for truth. I do make mistakes.

I was always surprised that the miracles of Jesus were not "Creative" acts until I finally concluded he didn't use that power. (Changing water to wine the possible exception. Though changing people's perception of the water would not be difficult for God.)

It's "a miracle" that Jesus didn't "pull a rabbit out of a hat." That would have undermined his message forever if anything he did could be duplicated by magicians rather than the power of the Spirit. I am impressed that Jesus choose not to perform miracles that magicians could duplicate and instead rely on the power of the Spirit to affect change.

Well, there is no indication in God's Word suggesting that Jesus healed imperfectly. I believe that is your own imagination or thoughts thinking that way. It also does not sound consistent with the character of God that we know in the Scriptures and our walk with Him.

Do you believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God?

Do you think God has the power to give a person a new ear? God did create everything that we see. Is it too hard for God to recreate the ear? Not sure why you have a problem with Jesus (Who is GOD) dong such thing.
 
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Well, there is no indication in God's Word suggesting that Jesus healed imperfectly. I believe that is your own imagination or thoughts thinking that way. It also does not sound consistent with the character of God that we know in the Scriptures and our walk with Him. Do you believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God? Do you think God has the power to give a person a new ear? God did create everything that we see. Is it too hard for God to recreate the ear? Not sure why you have a problem with Jesus (Who is GOD) dong such thing.

God doesn't work His miracles in the way that people pray for Him to do so.
They seek "magical" responses that are not responded to. They loose faith
when God does not heal them of their infirmities. You can find 1000's of
examples just in this forum of people seeking restoration in their lives
that God does not provide. And for good reason.

Knowing God Through Answered Prayer - Steps 1,2,&3
 
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