How should Christians educate the youth on sexual issues?

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Why does discussion on sexuality and relationships always quickly segue to the homosexuality issue? And what is it that teens want to know these days that they think they aren't being told?
I would think, as an example, topics like
  • Recognising grooming
  • Sex and the law... Including sexting
  • How to report
  • Rape, consent, abuse.
  • Boys need to hear what's coercion, and what yes and no means.
  • inappropriate contentography and the law and its affect on your brain.
  • Pregnancy and options
  • STIs
  • And yes.... Homosexuality bisexuality trans and genetic gender dysmorphia
 
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I never gave my kids a pack of cigarettes or a bong because they might succumb to peer pressure...

Try the book:

Willpower: Rediscovering the Greatest Human Strength
Book by John Tierney and Roy Baumeister

Teach your kids how to actually exercise their will, and see them become a better person for it.

We teach them to use willpower for every single instinct they have, until it comes to sex and for some reason have decided it's okay not to teach kids to use their willpower on that.. it's ridiculous.

No but you might teach them out but what drugs are, what the consequences of using them are both legally and psychologically and when it comes to legal drugs - like alcohol etc. - about moderation and the consequences of addiction. The point is about demistifying the subject and ensuring they are equipped to make their own decisions.
 
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As for being out of step with the world - the messed up hookup culture is a disaster.

"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you.“. John 15:18
Thats quite cynical to suggest my generation only believes in sex education because we want to hook up. Actually is quite a horrible outlook you have on our generation.
 
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Y'know, I'm not sure why "Abstinence" has to been seen as such a cultural bug-a-boo ...

... I mean, it's not like anyone's actually doing it these days to know what an 'abstinence culture' would really and truly be like on a nation wide scale. Maybe we all ought to start trying it as a valid, interpersonal option, but more in line with biblical notions of earlier sexual engagement rather than that which is promoted and pushed for financial and individualistic reasons (so-called 'practical' reasons) by Modern Capitalist impulses.
Phil I have a question for you.

At the time biblical direction concerning sex was written. girls were marrying at a very early age. Usually from the moment that started menstruating. So the notion of being a virgin and abstinence had considerably less relevance as before they married, they were pre-teen.

In modern times it would be highly illegal to replicate the behaviours of those biblical times. Now marriage doesn't occur until mid-twenties and beyond. In today's paradigm, abstinence and virginity have far greater difficulties. We are not talking about a twelve-year-old virgin suddenly menstruating and marrying months later.

This is what I meant about the relevance of applying biblical philosophy in today's world. It just doesn't apply or appeal to today's teens in the matters of sexual conduct.... and that cuts both ways - I don't accept the biblical actions of marrying in early teens, I don't accept stoning for having sex, I wouldn't accept a girl raped should marry her rapist, I don't accept that if a person does have sex that it makes them a sinful or wicked person.

Many of my friends are in relationships and sex is a part of that. I would resent any comment suggesting that these intelligent and kind women are wicked and sinful.
 
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Thats quite cynical to suggest my generation only believes in sex education because we want to hook up. Actually is quite a horrible outlook you have on our generation.

I don’t know the first thing about your generation and don’t correlate the hookup culture with a specific generation - it is a broader reality of the current times that is used by all generations. So I was not implying what you inferred.
 
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where is that from i don't see it in the one I gave you, if you look at the one I gave you, you can see that the higher the abstinence level the higher the average rates.
Sure - there were a lot of studies referenced in the main link you provided. I didn’t read them all but followed the first one I saw that seemed to the point of your post which was #6
Impacts of Four Title V, Section 510 Abstinence Education Programs

The quote I cited is in one of the expansion sections.
 
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"..This is what I meant about the relevance of applying biblical philosophy in today's world. It just doesn't apply or appeal to today's teens in the matters of sexual conduct.... and that cuts both ways - I don't accept the biblical actions of marrying in early teens, I don't accept stoning for having sex, I wouldn't accept a girl raped should marry her rapist, I don't accept that if a person does have sex that it makes them a sinful or wicked person.

Many of my friends are in relationships and sex is a part of that. I would resent any comment suggesting that these intelligent and kind women are wicked and sinful..."

In your own mind, you are not sinning if you have no idea what sin actually is, do not believe in the word as written or Jesus suffering on the cross, risen and his immediate ascent in to heaven.
For those down here providing cover for sin and even worse using hard lesson stories in the Bible to accomplish this?

'Sympathetic' perversions of that same word have their own consequences.
Sad but true.
 
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Thats quite cynical to suggest my generation only believes in sex education because we want to hook up. Actually is quite a horrible outlook you have on our generation.

You are either old enough to already discern that abstinence education should have been taught to you previously or you are young enough that the above is essential.
"Sex education" is akin to throwing the above in the garbage along with God's word and your own self esteem.

Your generation seems to feel (as you have inferred using the bible as 'cover) that loudly protecting those having sex outside of marriage is indeed the higher calling.
 
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I don’t know the first thing about your generation and don’t correlate the hookup culture with a specific generation - it is a broader reality of the current times that is used by all generations. So I was not implying what you inferred.
Ty. I'm glad to know that
 
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I would think, as an example, topics like
  • Recognising grooming
  • Sex and the law... Including sexting
  • How to report
  • Rape, consent, abuse.
  • Boys need to hear what's coercion, and what yes and no means.
  • inappropriate contentography and the law and its affect on your brain.
  • Pregnancy and options
  • STIs
  • And yes.... Homosexuality bisexuality trans and genetic gender dysmorphia

From a social science point of view, I heartily agree that the topics you've listed should be a part of the sexual education of youth. So, I don't think you and I are going to differ too much in this regard. I'd probably just add a pinch of the already installed Biology of Sex that has always been a part of sexual education in U.S. schools ever since the 1970's and 80's. However, I'd definitely add Philosophy and/or Theology of Sex, and a robust amount of Ethics (Sexual) onto the list. And then, at that point, I might be willing to call that resulting curriculum, more or less, "Sex Education for Youth."

I appreciate your having made this list, and I see the implications in it, especially because being when I grew up in the U.S. in the 1970s and 80s, all that was meted out through the public schools was essential biology information about 'how' human bodies work; I do remember one tiny additional unit taught in the 8th grade science course by an older female teacher, and she added in about 10 minutes worth of 'additional ethical considerations.'
 
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Phil I have a question for you.

At the time biblical direction concerning sex was written. girls were marrying at a very early age. Usually from the moment that started menstruating. So the notion of being a virgin and abstinence had considerably less relevance as before they married, they were pre-teen.

In modern times it would be highly illegal to replicate the behaviours of those biblical times. Now marriage doesn't occur until mid-twenties and beyond. In today's paradigm, abstinence and virginity have far greater difficulties. We are not talking about a twelve-year-old virgin suddenly menstruating and marrying months later.
Yes, of course, things have "changed" since ancient times (that's a truism), but as a social science advocate, and one who is interested [and educated] in the confluence and historical nexus involving the developments within social philosophy, politics, religion and its affects upon human law and human ethics and relationships, I'm going to make inquiry and investigate all of the intricacies as to......."why" things have changed, and evaluate each and every social nuance that I can along the way. I won't let one iota escape in my analysis, if that is possible.

So, while I agree with you that an Old Testament-ee type social structure wouldn't be ideal, I will however challenge the Modern Status Quo social thinking, just as I have begun to do in that Human Rights thread I've created; that very layer of philosophical analysis applies here too within the development of human sexual thought. And I will advocate for this finer, more stringent analysis whether Christians like it or not, and whether Secular Humanists like it ... or not.

This is what I meant about the relevance of applying biblical philosophy in today's world. It just doesn't apply or appeal to today's teens in the matters of sexual conduct.... and that cuts both ways - I don't accept the biblical actions of marrying in early teens, I don't accept stoning for having sex, I wouldn't accept a girl raped should marry her rapist, I don't accept that if a person does have sex that it makes them a sinful or wicked person.
Alright. But this paragraph doesn't really go very far in indicating to anyone here as to 'why,' other than that young people today, when they look at the Bible and attempt to understand it (which I'm not sure they do), just "don't like it."

Many of my friends are in relationships and sex is a part of that. I would resent any comment suggesting that these intelligent and kind women are wicked and sinful.
How about if I just say that any man (e.g. Hugh Hefner, Bog Guccione, etc.) who partakes of Liberal sexual ideologies and philosophies and thereby acts upon those philosophies in such a way that they, more or less, commercialize and commodify and essentially take advantage of social interactions with women, promoting a particular way of "seeing" the bodies of women and engaging women, ARE INDEED promoting something that is WICKED and SINFUL? Would that be alright?
 
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How about if I just say that any man (e.g. Hugh Hefner, Bog Guccione, etc.) who partakes of Liberal sexual ideologies and philosophies and thereby acts upon those philosophies in such a way that they, more or less, commercialize and commodify and essentially take advantage of social interactions with women, promoting a particular way of "seeing" the bodies of women and engaging women, ARE INDEED promoting something that is WICKED and SINFUL? Would that be alright?

And this would be in line with my generational cohorts thinking. It isn't the fact that a couple have sex that makes it sinful. Its whether the act was consensual and whether it resulted from subjugation or predatory behaviour the likes of what we have witnessed with Priests/Pastors, Epstein and Weinstein.
 
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Sure - there were a lot of studies referenced in the main link you provided. I didn’t read them all but followed the first one I saw that seemed to the point of your post which was #6
Impacts of Four Title V, Section 510 Abstinence Education Programs

The quote I cited is in one of the expansion sections.

Hmmmm, I will have to look into that more, but while it might disprove the idea of abstinence being worse, it does show that asbtinence doesn't work at all. But doesn't ignore the many other studies that do show that the opposite that those who partake in abstinence were less likly to use condoms when they had sex.
 
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And this would be in line with my generational cohorts thinking. It isn't the fact that a couple have sex that makes it sinful.
I'm not sure I understand this statement of yours, Zoii. It kind of seems to be loaded with skeptical and humanistic assumptions that neither you nor I, epistemologically, metaphysically, nor even axiologically speaking, KNOW to be true either way.

Its whether the act was consensual and whether it resulted from subjugation or predatory behaviour the likes of what we have witnessed with Priests/Pastors, Epstein and Weinstein.
Actually, I don't think the concept of "consent," even as important as it is, is the linch-pin or the trump concept in the area of human ethics, especially if, where human social evil is concerned, a human being can be deceived in a human interaction where he/she thought they were offering their own consent to the interaction. There HAS to be more ethical substance than simply whether there is "consent," even though consent is a good place to start. Just don't end with that.
 
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You are either old enough to already discern that abstinence education should have been taught to you previously or you are young enough that the above is essential.
"Sex education" is akin to throwing the above in the garbage along with God's word and your own self esteem.

Your generation seems to feel (as you have inferred using the bible as 'cover) that loudly protecting those having sex outside of marriage is indeed the higher calling.

Sex education is vital regardless of whether you have sex before or after marriage. Sexual hygiene, use of contraceptives, consent, menstruation, STIs can all impact married couples as well.
 
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Sex education is vital regardless of whether you have sex before or after marriage. Sexual hygiene, use of contraceptives, consent, menstruation, STIs can all impact married couples as well.

We're not talking the basic sex education classes of old here...yet you full well know this. We're talking about educating youth as to the #1 danger that they need to be made aware of and the only solution (abstinence) while they are under their parent's roof or not.
Nice try.
 
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We're not talking the basic sex education classes of old here...yet you full well know this. We're talking about educating youth as to the #1 danger that they need to be made aware of and the only solution (abstinence) while they are under their parent's roof or not.
Nice try.

abstinence is only as good as it's practiced, and most studies show it has very few adherences, all you do by ignoring actual sex education is ruin the lives of kids.
 
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I think children should be given comprehensive sex education, so they are equipped to make smart choices.

A number of parents, churches, and religious schools intentionally deny children the information they need to make wise decisions about sexuality, relationships, and reproduction. Many programmes limit access to information on birth control, for example, out of a misguided belief that ignorance will stop kids from having sex. In the worst programmes, children are given deliberate misinformation intended to frighten and confuse them, such as the lies that condoms are not a reliable method of birth control when used effectively, or that abortion causes breast cancer. Of course, these methods don't work. There is no appreciable statistical differences in the number of children choosing abstinence. Scaring and lying to children only makes them more vulnerable to lie, gossip, and exploitation - it does not prevent them from having sex, it usually just ensures the sex they have is more risky.

Although it may be upsetting to parents, young people do have sex and this is a normal part of life for many people. Threats and bullying designed to shame sexually active young people inevitably backfires, and that's not even touching on how utterly destructive those messages are to kids who have been molested or raped. Instead of dishonesty, being clear and honest with children is necessary to ensure they make wise choices and are also comfortable talking about the subject with trustworthy people in their lives. You don't want your kids learning about sex from movies, paedophiles, and inappropriate contentography, which is how I and my Christian school peers learned. You don't want your kids hiding symptoms of STDs, seeking DIY abortion, or running away because they are too scared to talk to parents, teachers, and church leaders about their desires or experiences; again, the experiences of many of my classmates. You can encourage abstinence without making those who are ready for sex feel dirty or humiliated. In fact, removing the shame, secrecy, and stigma from sex also seems to make it a lot easier to say no. When it becomes something you own and have personal responsibility for, rather than something dirty you have to sneak around to read about, many kids step up.
 
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