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What does a person who speaks in tongues abundantly, all the time and a person who hasn’t received this gift at all have in common? IMO, Unlikely either would bring it up in passing.
 
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There are we know a few choice areas that require endurance, I'll go on record saying that 'praying with the Spirit and praying with the understanding' are the two highest concerns for the Christian to commit a personal and ongoing travailing over.
 
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Surely, God's grace is behind the amount, but can someone say that is the sum of it?

For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means.


(2 Corinthians 8:12,11)​
 
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Now finish the work, so that your eager willingness to do it may be matched by your completion of it, according to your means.

(2 Corinthians 8:12,11)
Today, with both the 'weakness' and 'patience' of the saints, what would this finished press begin to look like? Would not the enlarged use itself begin to receive from the will of God if you will; a life of it's own? Surely, re-dabbling like contemplations, but, I wonder if our 'speak in tongues more than you all' willing mind in private, doesn't later provide a more fluid release in public?
 
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Praying in tongues for extended periods of time improves our immune systems by 35 to 40%. Research by Dr Carl Petersen, ORU, brain specialist.

One purpose for speaking in tongues:
"He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself..." I Cor 14:4
 
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A few hours more and we here in this part of the world say goodbye to September. Fortunately, for friendly threads like this, we never have to say goodbye, as though the Spirit brings us back, I should like to think so. Not over the needs of repetition, but of life.

Not to say that if repetition did develop with this gift, it then should at some point be dismissed, God forbid that ever occurring. Yet how much the more the Life behind the gift be the wellspring that it is, a fresh adventure, by constancy and hope, bringing us discoveries ‘coming down from the Father of lights.

Times past, I wouldn’t have dared say to anyone a certain doubt that coursed its way through my mind over the Father’s delight to bless His every child as He determines, but He does, and this one is no exception. I therefore, remain peculiar in expectation what it is God has for you and me, He designed that wonder in us, which first heeded His call to Christ.

May God speed that extra-ordinary kindling a little more in view for you!!
 
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A few hours more and we here in this part of the world say goodbye to September. Fortunately, for friendly threads like this, we never have to say goodbye, as though the Spirit brings us back, I should like to think so. Not over the needs of repetition, but of life.

Not to say that if repetition did develop with this gift, it then should at some point be dismissed, God forbid that ever occurring. Yet how much the more the Life behind the gift be the wellspring that it is, a fresh adventure, by constancy and hope, bringing us discoveries ‘coming down from the Father of lights.

Times past, I wouldn’t have dared say to anyone a certain doubt that coursed its way through my mind over the Father’s delight to bless His every child as He determines, but He does, and this one is no exception. I therefore, remain peculiar in expectation what it is God has for you and me, He designed that wonder in us, which first heeded His call to Christ.

May God speed that extra-ordinary kindling a little more in view for you!!
Amen!
 
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"What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also." I Cor 14:15 Kjv

'Then what am I to do? I will pray with my spirit [by the Holy Spirit that is within me], but I will also pray [intelligently] with my mind and understanding; I will sing with my spirit [by the Holy Spirit that is within me], but I will sing [intelligently] with my mind and understanding also." AMPC

"So here’s what I’ve concluded. I will pray in the Spirit, but I will also pray with my mind engaged. I will sing rapturous praises in the Spirit, but I will also sing with my mind engaged." TPT

Some say to pray in our prayer language only when prompted to do so. I'm wondering with this I Cor 14:15 Scripture, if that's the correct approach. We chose - we dont hesitate to pray or sing in our native/learned languages. So what do you think?
 
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Some say to pray in our prayer language only when prompted to do so. I'm wondering with this I Cor 14:15 Scripture, if that's the correct approach. We chose - we dont hesitate to pray or sing in our native/learned languages. So what do you think?
This can apply to raising of hands too, as though some feel it is their calling to minister compulsion moreso than the biblical examples of agreement and preferring others over ourselves, in certain cases even cover for their own feelings of inferiority.

But if truth is the objective for when and when not to use "both". I prefer to let a portion of that proceed from that passage; 'let everyone be fully persuaded in his own mind', and yet, from that latitude there surely is as we speak this two-way gift throughout the earth of prayer in condensed fashion, as I and in one setting, back and forth - with understanding and with the spirit, understood and un-intelligible.

But God bless those who don't exhibit this condensed fashion, more power to them, whatever seems to make their joy full would be the 'comprehended' joy I have to rejoice with them over.
 
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It seems to me there is always a cooperation between us and God. It can go either way, God can act first or we can act first. Ya, sometimes God does something sovereign with no input of us, like a revival. God just pours out the Holy Spirit in such a big way it just overwhelms us and even non Christians. But I find in everyday life God usually honors my initiative and works with me as I try to love Him and the People around me.
 
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"So here’s what I’ve concluded. I will pray in the Spirit, but I will also pray with my mind engaged. I will sing rapturous praises in the Spirit, but I will also sing with my mind engaged." TPT
I take it, the above doesn't separate the use at all when he or she says "also" but consecutively? If so, I think that is possible, but not likely since the man of God did say to the occurrence, having an "unfruitful" train of thought.
 
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Oh, if not but an unseen unity of this, our journeying through those dry spiritual places and that blessed gift to speak our heavenly language with His help, oh thank God!
 
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Spontaneity, I would say for me personally has increased to an interesting level of readiness, which would also contribute to the “Amount of time speaking in tongues”. Usually surrounding anything that challenges a clear conscience of the mind set on Him.
 
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As we are told in Galatians 6:18 to pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests; then undoubteldy most of us (including myself) probably fall well short of this.

I'm guilty here. I should pray in tongues much more, this was reminder from heaven for me! Thank you. Most powerful prayer for me has been in tongues. And I have seen that it can come from God the most unexpected situations, for example as a protection. God is so good!
 
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Singing with the Spirit came later for me and to tell you the truth, I really don't know why for it turned out to be one of the easiest things I've ever done. And oh-yes, another fine example that contributes to the subject of this thread!
 
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Singing with the Spirit came later for me and to tell you the truth, I really don't know why for it turned out to be one of the easiest things I've ever done. And oh-yes, another fine example that contributes to the subject of this thread!

This is interesting I want to know more! :)
 
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This is interesting I want to know more! :)
Interesting back at you :) Because myself, to break into (intelligible) song on my own is so contrary to my day-to-day, I just don't normally sing a spiritual or hymn though I have.

But ever since 'The initial physical evidence' of speaking in tongues became my standby prayer-life, shifting the same heavenly verbiage into song was somehow, a breeze! All for the asking, right? Unless of course His chosen gifts for you are to fulfill some other means by His will. That too may be a possibility.

But for those who contend with all this, you know how it goes for those who wish to corral the Holy Spirit saying, 'He proceeds no farther than the point of conversion'? If so, why would the Savior himself speaking by the Spirit separate this,

", , how much more will your Father [of the elect] in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” (Luke 11:13)

The baptism to Christ as well as the baptism by Christ. Glory to God!
 
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Interesting back at you :) Because myself, to break into (intelligible) song on my own is so contrary to my day-to-day, I just don't normally sing a spiritual or hymn though I have.

But ever since 'The initial physical evidence' of speaking in tongues became my standby prayer-life, shifting the same heavenly verbiage into song was somehow, a breeze! All for the asking, right? Unless of course His chosen gifts for you are to fulfill some other means by His will. That too may be a possibility.

But for those who contend with all this, you know how it goes for those who wish to corral the Holy Spirit saying, 'He proceeds no farther than the point of conversion'? If so, why would the Savior himself speaking by the Spirit separate this,

", , how much more will your Father [of the elect] in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” (Luke 11:13)

The baptism to Christ as well as the baptism by Christ. Glory to God!

You always write in a way that I have hard time understand your wisdom :D I try my best! Glory to God indeed, He is working in us.. I have to pray God to give me understanding of this singing in the Spirit as well as making music because I have been thinking that long time but I haven't really start practicing it. I sing sometimes but I would like to make my own music some day. And of course Holy music. Wonderful things God gives us when we ask and do His will.
 
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With OR without head-covering, in season, out of season, restore in us Lord the heart for amassing an endless travail of the fruit of our lips.
 
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