Trump told Pence not to call governors who aren’t ‘appreciative’

Tanj said:

However, your analysis of my post truly is "amazing".

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You really think it's amazing that I would think you would have something bad to say about Trump? We have a different definition for amazing, that is for sure.

Tanj said:

You play the violin well.

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I face up to the truth well, while some do not.

Speedwell said:

Yes, Trump kept Obama's recovery going, good for him.

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You are really saying Trump did nothing on his own to fix the jobless rate? again, denial.

Speedwell said:

But he is still dancing to the tune of right-wing religious extremists, fanning the flames of the culture war which divides the country and is hampering efforts to deal with the contagion.

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LOL

I guess you have to create something to make him the bad man that he is not, so that's as good as any.

Kenny'sID said:

You are really saying Trump did nothing on his own to fix the jobless rate? again, denial.

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The jobless rate didn't need "fixing" - it had been trending downwards for years by the time Trump took office and it's continued downward at roughly the same rate. His tax cuts likely improved things a bit (at the expense of ballooning the deficit) but I'm unaware of anything else he's done to improve it. I've asked TrumpFans on a number of occasions for concrete examples that aren't the tax cut, and nobody has been able to deliver. Care to tax a stab at it?

(FYI: vague references to "cutting regulations" don't count)

iluvatar5150 said:

His tax cuts likely improved things a bit (at the expense of ballooning the deficit)

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Some of us just can't be satisfied.

Of course he had something to do with getting the jobless rate down. Seems to me there was the tiny fact he created jobs, something no one mentioned. And I'd guess many non Trumpers here know that, but won't bring it up up because it don't work for you...par for the course.

Kenny'sID said:

You are really saying Trump did nothing on his own to fix the jobless rate? again, denial.

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No, I'm not saying it. That would be a false statement on your part.

I guess you have to create something to make him the bad man that he is not, so that's as good as any.

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I haven't created it, the Christian Right has created it and it represents the greatest threat to American ideals since the excesses of the McCarthy era.

Speedwell said:

No, I'm not saying it. That would be a false statement on your part.

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A question is now a false statement?

Speedwell said:

I, haven't created it, the Christian Right has created it and it represents the greatest threat to American ideals since the excesses of the McCarthy era.

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Of course you did. What exactly is the problem Trump is causing there?

Kenny'sID said:

A question is now a false statement?

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It would be false if it was a statement rather than an insinuation.

Of course you did. What exactly is the problem Trump is causing there?

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What do you think Trump's goal is in packing the courts with conservative judges?

Albion said:

Nope. There's nothing to fault the President for in that comment.

In fact, his assessment is so widely accepted that I am somewhat surprised that it was the example chosen by you. There must be a few good ones somewhere on the Google pages.

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You have no choice but to say that.

Nobody's mind will ever be changed if that person does not want his/her mind changed. I changed my mind in 2015 because after 40 years of supporting Republicans I was open to listening to the arguments that Democrats were making, and looking honestly at what the Bible said. (As opposed to looking the the Bible simply to see how I could use it to prove that I was already right.) And I know others who have done likewise. But views that are immune to changing come down to what is "gut-level absolute" for a particular person. For example, when a reporter asked a certain libertarian candidate (I forget which one, but I could look it up)(OK, I looked it up. It was Rand Paul in 2011) whether he would be OK with letting people die if they had chosen not to buy health insurance but now were sick and had changed their mind, the candidate tried to come up with a diplomatic exit from the question, but some of his supporters who were standing in the background and had heard the question loudly called out, "YEAH!"

The view of a Christian and most civilized people is, I believe, that a person who makes a rash decision and repents of it should be extended mercy. The view of at least some of those Rand Paul supporters was not merciful, it was judgmental: if a person makes a poor decision, he should live with it (or die with it). But the Apostle James wrote "For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment." Any onlooker is free to choose whichever side he wants, based on what he/she considers to be an absolute bedrock article of personal faith, but I myself would choose the path of the Bible, and of mercy. And I believe now that the Republican Party has chosen the path of judgment. So we have parted ways. I am not going to change the mind of anybody who already knows that their mind will not be changed, regardless of the evidence. All I can do is state my own views, give my reasons, and let others make up their own mind. I will not hate those who disagree with me, and I will not insult them or belittle their intelligence or their character. But will continue to hold out hope that they might come around some day.

I do sincerely hope that Donald Trump is defeated in November. But if that does not happen I will still be glad to be an American, and a Christian.

Kenny'sID said:

The news media IS like the National Enquirer...remember the reason for impeachment? It was all made up...nothing there. They, like many here make things up about Trump constantly because they can't stand the fact he turned out to be the best president yet. He's all over getting the country straightened out and they hate him for that especially, as it throws it right in the face of Dems and the like, that they were wrong about him, and the reality is, he knows exactingly what he is doing.

I'm glad I don't live in complete denial on this.

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I love it when people write fantasy fiction and then tell other people they’re in denial. You’d have been the guy shouting about how innocent Nixon was back during his impeachment.

Little tip for you, when even the Republican senators came out and said ‘ok, he did it but..’ it makes you look quite silly when you try and claim it was all made up.

Can the UK loan us the Baby Trump balloon for a few days?

How dare the governors of Washington prioritize their sick and dying citizens and the courageous doctors, nurses, police and firemen who are risking their health and perhaps even their lives caring for them without PPE's?

They tried "nice." They've been trying for weeks as the infection and death tolls mount up.

Thank God that Pence finally got up the gumption to tell Trump off and do the right thing.

Evan Jellicoe said:

No, I will let it drop now. We have both stated our case. I believe that the American media are basically reliable, whether their political bias is Left (New York Time, Washington Post) or Right (Fox News). You believe that they are really, truly, the Enemy of the People, and are comfortable with verbiage of the sort that reminds me of the Soviet Union era denunciations reported on by Tass and Pravda.

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Well, you were doing pretty well until that ending. And to be clear, I do NOT in fact support the President in everything he says and does. But on the other hand, he won the election and IMO has earned the right to govern for four years.

So when there is a planned, announced, effort on the part of the losing candidate's supporters to hurt and hinder him in as many ways as possible for as long as it takes to force him out of office, there is no way that I can defend the tactics used in pursuit of that end or even let it pass without at least a try at a little fairness. And this is a discussion board after all.

Nothing more really needs to be said.

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Agreed.

Albion said:

Well, you were doing pretty well until that ending. And to be clear, I do NOT in fact support the President in everything he says and does. But on the other hand, he won the election and IMO has earned the right to govern for four years.

So when there is a planned, announced, effort on the part of the losing candidate's supporters to hurt and hinder him in as many ways as possible for as long as it takes to force him out of office, there is no way that I can defend the tactics used in pursuit of that end or even let it pass without at least a try at a little fairness. And this is a discussion board after all.

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Can I trust that during the Obama years you were quite upset by the Republicans and Mitch “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” McConnell?

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Can I trust that during the Obama years you were quite upset by the Republicans and Mitch “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” McConnell?

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I wouldn't trust that for a second.

Albion said:

Well, you were doing pretty well until that ending. And to be clear, I do NOT in fact support the President in everything he says and does.

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I hear that a lot... never convincingly.

But on the other hand, he won the election and IMO has earned the right to govern for four years.

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Well, that's more fact than opinion. And it overlooks the fact that there are five hundred and twenty-five congressmen and women who also won their respective elections and earned their rights to govern... some for two years, and some for six.

Not all of them are going to support the President in everything he says and does... and them I actually believe.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Can I trust that during the Obama years you were quite upset by the Republicans and Mitch “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” McConnell?

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Yes.

But that is one line. Do not pretend that the non-stop slanders, violence, disruptions, obstructionism, and etc that the self-described "RESIST!" movement has engaged in for the past three to four years -- in what even some members of Congress who are allied with it have said is a campaign to overthrow the presidency by any means necessary -- is nothing different.

Albion said:

Yes.

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Still not convinced.

But that is one line.

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That was the philosophy which guided the GOP for eight years... to the point where they by 2016, there were so utterly rudderless that they allowed Donald to take over their party.

Do not pretend that the non-stop slanders, violence, disruptions, obstructionism, and etc that the self-described "RESIST!" movement has engaged in for the past three to four years -- in what even some members of Congress who are allied with it have said is a campaign to overthrow the presidency by any means necessary -- is nothing different.

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It's not different -- except I actually believe you disapprove of this one. Seen any Long Form Birth Certificates lately? Wasn't the last guy a closet Muslim? Hey, dontcha think Obama funded Iran's attack on the US with the cash from the nuclear deal?

Silly question -- Donald thinks so, so of course you do as well.

I'm afraid that another four years of this (btw, my opinion is that Donald's re-election has always been in the bag) and the Democratic Party will be just as leaderless and directionless, to the point that only the Devil and his mother know who's going to rise up and take it over in 2024.

Albion said:

Yes.

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I don’t believe you. I think you cheered it on. If you were actually upset by it, the following paragraph trying to pivot away from the Republicans during the Obama era wouldn’t have been quickly written following your answer.

But that is one line. Do not pretend that the non-stop slanders, violence, disruptions, obstructionism, and etc that the self-described "RESIST!" movement has engaged in for the past three to four years -- in what even some members of Congress who are allied with it have said is a campaign to overthrow the presidency by any means necessary -- is nothing different.

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You are factually wrong. It wasn’t one line by McConnell It was the modus operandi for GOP during the Obama years:

A Walk Down Memory Lane on Republican Obstruction | Washington Monthly

The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct Obama | TIME.com

Opinion: Republicans complain the pushback against Trump is 'unprecedented.' Are they serious?

GreatLakes4Ever said:

I don’t believe you.

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Wonderful. Then in the future maybe drop the pretense of asking a serious question.

Kenny'sID said:

Some of us just can't be satisfied.

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Yeah, I’m so demanding asking people to explain the mechanism by which their claims supposedly happened. How dare I?

Of course he had something to do with getting the jobless rate down.

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What, exactly, did he have to do with it?

Seems to me there was the tiny fact he created jobs,

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What jobs is he create and how did he create them?

something no one mentioned.

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You complain that no one on the left gives him credit for this, but I’ve yet to find anybody on the right who can describe to me exactly what it is he’s done to boost the economy other than tax cuts. I’ve asked others; here’s your chance.

Hey! Whatsa guy gotta do you get some respect around here? The Boss can do youse a favor. All he wants is a little appreciation now and again. He’s a good fella. Always willing to help out a patriot.

Make Appreciation Great Again.