Has anyone been thru a Mormon temple?

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Today at 03:47 PM jodrey said this in Post #319

Well, LL has it exactly right. The way you teach someone is by being pleasant and friendly; welcoming. I think I mentioned the passage, "Ye are the light of the world." You put the candlestick at the top of a hill to invite, you don't take torches to the town to burn. This is simply human nature: when you are aggressive with your beliefs people are pushed away. This is one reason LDS missionaries are not trained to contend with others in debates of scripture and doctrine. You should let the Spirit do the converting, not your mouth (or in this case, hands).

I think scripture is important; I never said it wasn't. But there's certainly a right way and a wrong way to present it.

rn, my purpose in coming here was not to convert anyone; of course I'd like it, just as you'd like it if you converted me. I never expected anyone to accept the LDS Church as their belief and denomination. At first I came here to simply get some answers regarding what others believe about Christianity, and I got some of the answers I wanted. It was difficult because no one really wanted to come right out and state what they believe except that they believe in Christ. However, it wasn't long before I discovered several threads such as this, and so I said to myself, "Wow, these people really hate the Church. Maybe I should give some representation since no one else here does." I wanted to decrease the bigotry if I could, and apparently I have, and I am very happy for that. Unfortunately, most Christians here just don't seem to get it and are not very Christ-like.

Sure, I'll continue in PM. Talk to you later.

Jodrey there is a difference in hating false doctrine and "hating" a church or its people.
I like Mormons there is no hate there.As you may know for many years Mormons "hated "Christians and demanded to be called saints..
I do not think they really hated individual Christians..just what they considered false teachings
 
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Today at 02:47 PM jodrey said this in Post #319

I think scripture is important; I never said it wasn't. But there's certainly a right way and a wrong way to present it.

He is correct.  To an outsider, Scripture MUST have proper foundation before the verses make sense to him or anyone else.   If Scripture cannot be relied upon, no one could trust anything God says.  I will show you Jodrey, that Scripture can indeed be soley relied upon without outside sources, such as the Book of Mormon or any other religious writings.  But I will do it privately for you, God willing.



 Unfortunately, most Christians here just don't seem to get it and are not very Christ-like.

This is a very damning statement made by an outsider.  We all should be looking in the mirror. :( 

Sure, I'll continue in PM. Talk to you later.
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Jodrey said: Unfortunately, most Christians here just don't seem to get it and are not very Christ-like.

Ladylove said: This is a very damning statement made by an outsider. We all should be looking in the mirror.

Yes...we should ALL be looking in the mirror! That would include EVERYONE! I will admit this has gotten very heated...but ALL of us are guilty of it...and most of us have responded by 'looking in the mirror' (more because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit) and making appologies where needed. To say it was just everyone else 'picking on' Jodrey would be unfair. I am in no way justifying any of it. I think I would be ignoring the prompting of the Holy Spirit if I did not stand up to false doctrine when it is presented as boldly as the mormon church presents it.
Were we attacking Jodrey or the doctrine of the mormon faith? I think this is an important question...and looking back at what has been posted here I think it is quite easily answered.
 
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Jodrey there is a difference in hating false doctrine and "hating" a church or its people.
I like Mormons there is no hate there.As you may know for many years Mormons "hated "Christians and demanded to be called saints..
I do not think they really hated individual Christians..just what they considered false teachings

Doctrine, yes, and also the people; perhaps not a direct "hate," but I feel that there is a superiority issue with a lot of people who have the frame of mind which states, "I'm right and you're wrong." Doctrinal faith itself is a direct reflection of people; it's kind of a conductor. I take it personally when someone says they think Mormonism is a cult; should I take it that way? I think so. It would not be wrong for me to be offended by an insult to what I regard deeply, just as it would not be for you to take offense if I or any one else expressed their negative opinions of Christianity. According to the gospel, our faith should be imbedded so far into us that it is inseparable; essentially, the knowledge of Christ and His teachings become our foundation. One difference between us is that we believe that Christ actually taught different things; however, we both take those teachings seriously. I think that if we don't take religious insults personally that we are not as committed and faithful as we should be. Therefore, when one mocks Joseph Smith, that is offensive to me because I deeply believe that he was a prophet. Whether it's true or not cannot even be addressed until certain levels of respect are met. This simply goes back to the golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

This is a very damning statement made by an outsider. We all should be looking in the mirror.

True, and I have. Forgive me; I didn't mean to condemn. I think there are things that all people need to improve on, and recently I feel I have abandoned my own bigotry. I think that there is a lot of this here; maybe not so much on this thread now, which is wonderful, but from the associations I've had here it has been a very general attitude. But I should not have said people are not Christ-like, and I didn't mean that. What I mean is that the attitude itself is not very Christ-like, and too many here think that way.

Yes...we should ALL be looking in the mirror! That would include EVERYONE! I will admit this has gotten very heated...but ALL of us are guilty of it...and most of us have responded by 'looking in the mirror' (more because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit) and making appologies where needed. To say it was just everyone else 'picking on' Jodrey would be unfair. I am in no way justifying any of it.

Yes, you are right. About a month ago I would not have been as peaceful as I am now. I'm very grateful for the experience I've had regarding this subject. If you go to Christart and to the area where Jedi presents his 20 pages of research regarding Mormonism, you'll see several of my posts there following, each being quite aggressive. I compared him and other Christians to the scribes and Pharisees. I now realize that I was wrong to do so. I know you all are only doing what you see as the right thing.

On that debate we volleyed Bible passages back and forth, intermingled with insults. It made me quite angry and I began to feel the Spirit less in my life, even within two days of the argument, and I knew it was the cause. I relearned what I had before -- contention is not the way to get your message across. I realized I wasn't helping the view most people have of my religion, and more than that, because of the negative spiritual effects, I decided to stop. I haven't been there since. I had already begun posting here, and it was difficult to stay away when people would mock my church, and so I got in some small arguments, but I generally decided to post the references to answers at other sites and leave it at that. In this thread, seeing LL change her opinion regarding the way in which to spread the gospel reinforced my lesson. I have learned a lot here and I'm happy for it. Bigotry is not the way to share the message of Christ, no matter what the parameters of that message are. It isn't what Christ taught.
 
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Today at 04:32 AM Wrigley said this in Post #306




:pray:

Just an aside about the different branches of Mormonism.  I was listening to NPR a few months back when a segment on Strang and his ites came on.  A book was written about the "King of Michigan" and how he lived and ruled his people.  It was interesting.

link to book  http://www.press.umich.edu/titles/10884.html

My reading list is kind of long right now, but when I am able to par it down, this book will be added.

 

And BTW, before you say something to me about NPR, calgal, I couldn't get a decent AM signal to listen to Rush, and you can only listen to soo much country music...  :D [/B]

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Who me? Torment a friend about his taste in radio? :angel: And country is ok in small doses (it gets boring after a while). NPR does have a few good programs. The Strangites are an interesting topic. Let me know how the book is.
 
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Today at 09:54 AM Wrigley said this in Post #312



I had the same thought as you Rn.  I see nothing wrong with showing from Scripture and from mormon writings, a mormon the error they are in. 

jodrey has ears, I pray he can hear.




 


:pray: That is my prayer too. Perhaps something said here will stay with him and lead him to the Lord.
 
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Today at 02:39 PM straightforward said this in Post #323





Yes...we should ALL be looking in the mirror! That would include EVERYONE! I will admit this has gotten very heated...but ALL of us are guilty of it...and most of us have responded by 'looking in the mirror' (more because of the conviction of the Holy Spirit) and making appologies where needed. To say it was just everyone else 'picking on' Jodrey would be unfair. I am in no way justifying any of it. I think I would be ignoring the prompting of the Holy Spirit if I did not stand up to false doctrine when it is presented as boldly as the mormon church presents it.
Were we attacking Jodrey or the doctrine of the mormon faith? I think this is an important question...and looking back at what has been posted here I think it is quite easily answered.

The attacks were on the Mormon faith and doctrines. The problem is that Mormons do not debate but take questioning as a personal attack. It is rather frustrating since they can present their ideas but cannot listen to anything that does not back their religion 100%+


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Today at 12:01 AM calgal said this in Post #330



The attacks were on the Mormon faith and doctrines. The problem is that Mormons do not debate but take questioning as a personal attack. It is rather frustrating since they can present their ideas but cannot listen to anything that does not back their religion 100%+


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And, you should know, you have first hand experience.
 
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You know there are people that think they "love" people to Christ. The truth is no man can lead anyone to Chrsit ..That is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict men of their error and sin and lead them to repentance..before they are converted..

It is incredible how many people think they are the first cause of salvation..
 
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Today at 09:02 AM rnmomof7 said this in Post #332

You know there are people that think they "love" people to Christ. The truth is no man can lead anyone to Chrsit ..That is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict men of their error and sin and lead them to repentance..before they are converted..

It is incredible how many people think they are the first cause of salvation..


 :clap: Amen!!! :bow: All the Glory to God!!!!
 
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I was wondering last night how the mormons view Matt. 23:40-43. Where the criminal on the cross is told by Jesus, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." There was no water baptism and no works...as far as we know the criminal just saw the light and Jesus says this to him. I thought there were different things that people had to do to get to the different levels of the kingdom. How does this work...since Jesus and this criminal, according to what I know of mormon doctrine, would not be in the same place...yet Jesus said this man would be WITH Him in Paradise.

Really wanting to know...even if anyone could send me to a mormon site that explains this I'd like to know. I haven't found it anywhere and I might just be looking in the wrong places.

Also...how do the mormons view John 1:1-18? This definately says the Word was Jesus and that the Word was God. I know this was brought up in this thread...but I could not find an answer from the mormon perspective. Does anyone know?
 
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Today at 11:16 AM straightforward said this in Post #334

I was wondering last night how the mormons view Matt. 23:40-43. Where the criminal on the cross is told by Jesus, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." There was no water baptism and no works...as far as we know the criminal just saw the light and Jesus says this to him. I thought there were different things that people had to do to get to the different levels of the kingdom. How does this work...since Jesus and this criminal, according to what I know of mormon doctrine, would not be in the same place...yet Jesus said this man would be WITH Him in Paradise.

Really wanting to know...even if anyone could send me to a mormon site that explains this I'd like to know. I haven't found it anywhere and I might just be looking in the wrong places.

Also...how do the mormons view John 1:1-18? This definately says the Word was Jesus and that the Word was God. I know this was brought up in this thread...but I could not find an answer from the mormon perspective. Does anyone know?

The sermon at church this morning was on baptism and how it relates to Salavation.  Just like circumcism did not save Abraham, but it was faith.

Sermon was on Romans 4:9-25, specifically v. 13.

So when we look at the thief, what saved him?
 
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Today at 11:40 AM Wrigley said this in Post #335



The sermon at church this morning was on baptism and how it relates to Salavation.  Just like circumcism did not save Abraham, but it was faith.

Sermon was on Romans 4:9-25, specifically v. 13.

So when we look at the thief, what saved him?


Ok..I know what I believe, and it agrees with what you believe and what scripture says...but what do the mormons believe about this? From what I have learned in this thread and on mormon sites it doesn't fit with their beliefs...so how do mormons look at this?
 
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Today at 12:51 PM Wrigley said this in Post #337

Baptism is one of the "works" needed.


So what do the mormons think this means. They must think it means something other than what we think...otherwise the above meantioned part of their doctrine would be blown out of the water.
 
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Today at 11:16 AM straightforward said this in Post #334

I was wondering last night how the mormons view Matt. 23:40-43. Where the criminal on the cross is told by Jesus, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." There was no water baptism and no works...as far as we know the criminal just saw the light and Jesus says this to him. I thought there were different things that people had to do to get to the different levels of the kingdom. How does this work...since Jesus and this criminal, according to what I know of mormon doctrine, would not be in the same place...yet Jesus said this man would be WITH Him in Paradise.

Really wanting to know...even if anyone could send me to a mormon site that explains this I'd like to know. I haven't found it anywhere and I might just be looking in the wrong places.

Also...how do the mormons view John 1:1-18? This definately says the Word was Jesus and that the Word was God. I know this was brought up in this thread...but I could not find an answer from the mormon perspective. Does anyone know?


Matthew 23 only goes up to verse 39... I think you meant Luke. Luke 23: 40-43 says, "But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." Heaven and paradise are different. 1 Peter 3: 18-19 says, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" Learning continues after death, and the gospel is preached in the spirit world as well. If the criminal had faith, then Jesus would commence during His three-day absence to the spirits in prison and teach them, they then becoming worthy to be called to paradise, which is the "other side" of the spirit world. During this time of separation from the body people may repent and become still closer to Christ, until the first or second resurrection of the dead.
 
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