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True and for that New Covenant Christian "the LAW is written on the heart" Jere 31:31-33 rather than abolished - as Paul points out in Romans 3:31
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Galatians 4:21-31 (KJV)
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Galatians 3:12-14 (KJV)
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Colossians 2:16-23 (KJV)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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Hi Billy thanks for sharing but your only repeating yourself here.
No one is telling you that we are saved by the works of the law so your scriptures are not relevant here to this discussion.
As posted earlier we are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us (LOVE) Colossians 2:16 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12. According to the scriptures if our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) in the NEW COVENANT give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20.
There is no scripture in the new covenant that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day is there? Sunday is a man made teaching and tradition that has lead many away from God's Word to either knowingly or unknowingly break God's Commandments and JESUS warns us about this here *MATTHEW 15:2-9.
Once again this is only repitition which has already been addressed and has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment Sabbath. It is a reference to annual ceremonial sabbaths and holy convocations in feast days. From post # 6...
Some people try to quote the scripture COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 and claim that this refers to God's seventh day Sabbath of the 4th commandment not realising that there are many Sabbaths included in the bible that are not God's 4th commandment and can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.
These include;
1. The Sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The Sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The Sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The Sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The Sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54
9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3
Many of these annual festival sabbaths were prophetic in nature (types and Shadow sabbaths) pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant and could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. They are not the same as Gods' 4th commandment which is a weekly memorial of creation in God's 10 commandments.
The context of sabbaths (Greek word meaning sabbaton plural GNP meaning simply ceasing from work) in COLOSSIANS 2:16 is to the annual sabbaths in feast days.
A detailed scripture response starting here for those interested.
The reason why Gods' 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 cannot be a shadow (type) Sabbath is because it is a part of the FINISHED WORK of creation. Another words according to the scripture it points backwards to creation not forward to something to come.
Indeed, the weekly Sabbath points back to creation which we as God's people are to remember, as it is written...
EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
The Sabbath is a part of the FINISHED WORK of creation as it is written...
GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], THIS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE FINISHED, AND ALL THE HOST OF THEM. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.
Being a part of a FINISHED WORK it is impossible for the SABBATH to be a SHADOW law from the MOSAIC book of the law because when the SABBATH was made for all mankind there was NO SIN and mankind was in perfect harmony with God and needed NO SALVATION and there was no plan of salvation given to mankind because mankind did not need saving.
Hope this helps clear up any misunderstandings.
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Bob, 2 CORINTHIANS 3 is in relation to the two covenants and the old covenant that points to the new covenant. It says nothing about the 10 commandments being abolished. It shows that in the new covenant they are written in the heart through the Spirit. This is shown in the context of v7 here..
2 CORINTHIANS 3:3, For as much as you are manifestly declared to be the letter of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART.
This is God's new covenant promise from EZEKIEL 36:26 and JEREMIAH 31:31-36 written here in the new testament...
HEBREWS 8:10, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THE MINDS AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people
God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on stone is condemnation to those who have not received God's forgiveness and been born again and had His laws written on their heart to love. *JOHN 3:3-7; 1 JOHN 3:6-9; MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:4; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:13.
According to the scriptures it is the covenants that have changed not God's 10 commandments. According the new testament scriptures, God's 10 commandments have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 PSALMS 119:172 and if we break any one of them we stand "under the law" *ROMANS 3:19 guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandments according to the scriptures is one of God's 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and just like any other of God's 10 commandments if we knowibngly break it when we have been given a knowledge of the truth we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11 and if we continue in sin when we have been given a knowledge of the truth from God's Word according to the scriptures there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgment to come. *ACTS 17:30-31; HEBREWS 10:26-27.
Indeed. As shown earlier this is talking about the two covenants, the old and the new.
The scriptures do not teach that God's 10 commandments are abolished but "ESTABLISHED" *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:4 in the new covenant promise of a new heart to love *HEBREWS 8:10 and it is this love that fulfills and establishes God's LAW (10 commandments) in the life of those who believe and follow God's Word and walk in His Spirit *ROMANS 13:8-10; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 6; 1 JOHN 3:6-9; MATTHEW 22:36-40; JOHN 14:15.
I believe your mixing up shadow laws in ordinances from the old covenant shown here in HEBREWS 10:1-12 with God's eternal law that gives us the knowledge of Good and Evil; Sin and Rightouesness *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. This is clear in the context you leave out of ROMANS 3:20 where it says [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The context is supplied in ROMANS 3:10-19 which is demonstrating all are under sin and guilty before God. Sin is defined in the scriptures as breaking or transgressing any one of God's 10 commandments in JAMES 2:10-11 and 1 JOHN 3:4. To put things 100% to rest and prove that your claims here are in error Paul makes it very clear that when he says in ROMANS 3:20 ..."FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN, he clearly states the same thoughts in with application directly to God's 10 commandments stating an example of God's 10 commandment in EXODUS 20:17. ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW; FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID THOU SHALT NOT COVET.
I believe the scriptures provided above demonstrate that ROMANS 3:20 is in reference to God's 10 commandments as Paul is clearly stating this quoting application to God's 10 commandments as does JAMES and JOHN in defining what sin is.
I pray you may receive this in the Spirit it was given and you may be blessed in receiving God's Word.
Hope this is helpful.
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Bob this was posted above to someone else but reposting for you as I guess you missed it but it is very relavant to your post above...
Some people try to quote the scripture COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 and claim that this refers to God's seventh day Sabbath of the 4th commandment not realising that there are many Sabbaths included in the bible that are not God's 4th commandment and can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.
These include;
1. The Sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The Sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The Sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The Sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The Sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54
9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3
Many of these annual festival sabbaths were prophetic in nature (types and Shadow sabbaths) pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant and could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle. They are not the same as Gods' 4th commandment which is a weekly memorial of creation in God's 10 commandments.
The context of sabbaths (Greek word meaning of sabbaton in Colossians 2:16 is plural GNP Genitive Neuter Plural meaning plural application to Sabbaton which simply means to cease from work) in COLOSSIANS 2:16 is to the annual sabbaths in feast days.
A detailed scripture response starting here for those interested.
The reason why Gods' 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 cannot be a shadow (type) Sabbath is because it is a part of the FINISHED WORK of creation. Another words according to the scripture it points backwards to creation not forward to something to come.
Indeed, the weekly Sabbath points back to creation which we as God's people are to remember, as it is written...
EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
The Sabbath is a part of the FINISHED WORK of creation as it is written...
GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], THIS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH WERE FINISHED, AND ALL THE HOST OF THEM. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.
Being a part of a FINISHED WORK it is impossible for the SABBATH to be a SHADOW law from the MOSAIC book of the law because when the SABBATH was made for all mankind there was NO SIN and mankind was in perfect harmony with God and needed NO SALVATION and there was no plan of salvation given to mankind because mankind did not need saving.
Your welcome. May you receive God's Word and be blessed.
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Each of those texts has its own thread here dedicated to discussing the "details" being left out of the quotes.
Rom 14 - Rom 14 the "weak" gentiles eat vegetables only to avoid meat offered to idols
Col 2 Col 2 regarding - "commandments of men" and "traditions of men"
Gal 4 -- Jun 28, 2014 #1
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All I did was copy and paste Scripture. Are you saying that God did not add enough detail ?
Are you writing all these things yourself or are you copying and pasting your doctrines from the teachings of Ellen G White ?
By the way, I don't believe in breaking any of the Ten Commandments nor do I teach people to. I myself believe in following the Ten Commandment and I try to keep the Sabbath day Holy through Faith in Jesus Christ who is the rest according to the book of Hebrews.
Hebrews 4:3 (KJV)
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Look how God tells you to enter into his sabbath rest
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Look how God tells you to enter into his sabbath rest
Isaiah 58:13-14 KJV)
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
You think as a Christian your only meant to do this on a Saturday and then afterwards go back to doing your own works ? You understand the sabbath rest as a Pharisee does, unfortunately.
You enter into rest by turning from your own works by choosing to deny your flesh and pick up your cross and follow Jesus by living for him speaking his words and living for his pleasure and not your own. That's meant to be an everyday thing Monday to Saturday 24/365. I am striving today to enter into that rest TODAY which is why if you read the whole context of Hebrews 4 it explains by Faith you enter into that rest.
Hebrews 4:7-11 (KJV)
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Everyday your alive is a Today not only Saturday and you cease from your own works and do his works through Faith believing in him.
John 6:28-29 (KJV)
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
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Well now we sure did hear from one who thinks we are under the law. All sorts of verses that mean nothing to the subject at hand. They were complete misrepresentations of what Paul wrote there in 2 Cor3: 7-11. Why would someone try to change the meaning of what is so plainly written? Why would someone be so adamant about putting us under the old covenant law. One very big reason is to keep us from the blessings of the Good News, the new covenant of faith without the works of the law. Another reason is to try to get us to believe Jesus didn't finish all He came to do. Matt 5:17 ‘Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.
My question is there in Matt 5: 17 did Jesus fulfill the prophecies concerning his coming as Messiah. Of course He did. Well, isn't the law in the same sentence. "Fulfill" means, in the case of the prophecies, according to the dictionary, Jesus brought them to an end. How could any thinking person believe that He didn't bring the law, in that same sentence, to an end. Well, we know that those who believe Jesus didn't bring the law to an end are not thinking. They are being led around by the writings of their prophet Ellen White. They would rather believe her than the Holy Writ.
The same scenario comes to play with 2Cor 3:7-11. They are being led around by the writings of their prophet Ellen White. They would rather believe her than the Holy Writ. Paul is so plain telling us that the ministry of death was the ten commandments. What else was written on stone and carried by Moses? The writings on the stones are the subject of verses 7-11. Those that deny that are the ones trying to put us under the law just like Paul wrote about in Galatians. If we submitted to their rhetoric we would, like the Galatians, be called foolish. The hogwash that the subject of 2 Cor3: 7-11 was the two covenants is truly ridiculous. The only connection is that the ten commandments were part of the old covenant given only to Israel and the free gift of Holy Spirit in the new covenant is given to all who will receive Him. Let's read it again. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, (ten commandments) came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious,(ten commandments) how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! (ministry of the Holy Spirit) 10 For what was glorious (ten commandments) has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. (Holy Spirit) 11 And if what was transitory (ten commandments) came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! (Holy Spirit)
My question is there in Matt 5: 17 did Jesus fulfill the prophecies concerning his coming as Messiah. Of course He did. Well, isn't the law in the same sentence. "Fulfill" means, in the case of the prophecies, according to the dictionary, Jesus brought them to an end. How could any thinking person believe that He didn't bring the law, in that same sentence, to an end. Well, we know that those who believe Jesus didn't bring the law to an end are not thinking. They are being led around by the writings of their prophet Ellen White. They would rather believe her than the Holy Writ.
The same scenario comes to play with 2Cor 3:7-11. They are being led around by the writings of their prophet Ellen White. They would rather believe her than the Holy Writ. Paul is so plain telling us that the ministry of death was the ten commandments. What else was written on stone and carried by Moses? The writings on the stones are the subject of verses 7-11. Those that deny that are the ones trying to put us under the law just like Paul wrote about in Galatians. If we submitted to their rhetoric we would, like the Galatians, be called foolish. The hogwash that the subject of 2 Cor3: 7-11 was the two covenants is truly ridiculous. The only connection is that the ten commandments were part of the old covenant given only to Israel and the free gift of Holy Spirit in the new covenant is given to all who will receive Him. Let's read it again. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, (ten commandments) came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious,(ten commandments) how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! (ministry of the Holy Spirit) 10 For what was glorious (ten commandments) has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. (Holy Spirit) 11 And if what was transitory (ten commandments) came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! (Holy Spirit)
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Each of those texts has its own thread here dedicated to discussing the "details" being left out of the quotes.
Rom 14 - Rom 14 the "weak" gentiles eat vegetables only to avoid meat offered to idols
Col 2 Col 2 regarding - "commandments of men" and "traditions of men"
Gal 4 -- Jun 28, 2014 #1
1. All I did is point to 3 cases where an entire thread is devoted to nothing but exploring every detail in each of those 3 text examples you asked us to look at.
2. I never claimed that you are God and so then if you omitted key details from the chapter it was God omitting the details.
3. There are some folks here that would really love to get into a discussion about "the details" in each of those 3 chapters - so I am providing that opportunity for those actually interested in the content of those 3 chapters.
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Some people will make a wild out-of-thin-air claim about what Ellen White wrote for the purpose of false-accusation -- and in a few of those cases I will bother to take the time to post the correcting quotes ... but other than that... it is me. So far this thread is not a "quote me something from Ellen White please" kind of thread -- so I have no incentive to go there.
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I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm (all TEN) of the Ten Commandments for Christians.
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
And of course 7th day groups
Seventh-day Baptists
Seventh-day Adventists
(and 100's of others)
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I engage in a great many secular activities when it is not Sabbath.
The 4th commandment does not say "live like the devil six days a week then live as a Christian the 7th day".
But I don't play video games in church or on Sabbath - not even an old pac man style game. I don't speak to people about business deals in church or on Sabbath. I don't ask that we stop church and start updating the wiring in the church during a service, or on the Sabbath. I don't watch CNN or BBC or anything secular on Sabbath (or on any other day as it turns out in that case) ,, or Fox News on Sabbath.
Isaiah 58:13 prohibits the insertion of secular business into the Sabbath. Sabbath is a day devoted to worship. I never claim that while engaged in meeting some frustrating deadline at work or solving a particularly difficult problem at work - I am having the same "rest" and "meditation" as on Sabbath reading my Bible and praying.
And I have never met anyone that makes such an extreme claim.
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Absolutely, the Holy Spirit was there, BUT not like it came in the book of Acts. 2: 32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.
You should know that. Are you just being argumentative? I suggest that your argument is with Paul not me. I am just passing along scripture that disputes your claim that we are still under the old covenant ritual laws. Another thing, why didn't you question all the other things I wrote in that post? Is it because you cannot refute what I wrote?
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7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,
“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
The Sabbath "Remains from when?" -- answer: remains from what it was at the time of David in Psalms 95.
So lets ask ourselves "Did David delete the 4th commandment with Psalms 95"?
Let us shout joyfully to the rock of our salvation.
2 Let us come before His presence with thanksgiving,
Let us shout joyfully to Him with psalms.
3 For the Lord is a great God
And a great King above all gods,
4 In whose hand are the depths of the earth,
The peaks of the mountains are His also.
5 The sea is His, for it was He who made it,
And His hands formed the dry land.
6 Come, let us worship and bow down,
Let us kneel before the Lord our Maker.
7 For He is our God,
And we are the people of His pasture and the sheep of His hand.
Today, if you would hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts, as at Meribah,
Meribah was the place of rebellion against the Word of God.
Was David teaching rebellion against the Word of God in Psalms 95? Was he saying "the 7th day is no longer the Sabbath ?"
Here is an example of some scholarship that does not believe that was what David was teaching in Psalms 95
The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.
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As we can see from the ACTUAL Scripture it does not say Sabbath
Hebrews 4:9-16 (KJV)
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
1 Timothy 1:5-13 (KJV)
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Titus 3:9-11 (KJV)
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
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7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,
“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.
9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. NASB
The Sabbath "Remains from when?" -- answer: remains from what it was at the time of David in Psalms 95.
The Sabbath remains as it was at the time of David.
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