Signs of the End of the Age

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Please show me where scripture states something called a "Spiritual Temple" exists.
1 Peter2:5 You also, as living stones; must be built up into a Spiritual temple...…..
Please show me where scripture states a third temple of stone will be built.
Ezekiel 43:10-12 Tell the Israelites.... Who are now every faithful Christian person; the Overcomers for God, His born again believers.
All of Ezekiel 40 to 48 will happen before Jesus Returns. Proved by how they; WE, will have a leader, a ruler, Jeremiah 30:21 Hosea 1:11, who will make offerings to the Lord. Ezekiel 46:1-16
 
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Moses and David used tents. Moses was given specifications too. They only need to have "The Holy Place" to fulfill the AoD. Never ? Jesus is the final sacrifice. Many in Israel are looking to build a temple for a messiah and will get the AC instead. The Hasidic Jews have already built an altar and they aren't looking for Jesus.
The main point of my OP was it could happen very quickly
What are you saying?

Someone sneaks onto the temple mount and put's up a one person tent. Bang, prophecy fulfilled?
 
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Signs of the End of the Age
What are the signs of the EOA ? Can we know or better should we know
Jesus took exception to the Pharisees and Sadducees for not knowing , Matthew 16 -’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
They should have known from Daniel’s seventy week prophecy that his was coming was near , as Daniel knew from Jeremiah’s writing that the 70 years of captivity was near the end.

IMO this is the sign we are looking for. If the OK was given today. The Jews could have a tent installed on the Temple Mount very quickly. There’s no need for a building program to start the sacrifices. Moses and King David used a tent before there was any building.
Jesus uses a unique word in Matt 24 concerning the consummation of the age.

I would be inclined to view this as the OC Temple/Sacrifice Age which most partial preterists and amills view as consummated with the destruction of Jerusalem and it's Temple in 70ad [as shown in Revelation 18]. That is my view but it is always subject to change.

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us! when shall these be?
and what the sign of Thy parousia and full-end/consummation of the Age
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The author of Hebrews also uses that word, but has ages in the plural. Not sure about the significance of that:

Heb 9:26
since it had behoved him many times to suffer from the foundation of the world, but now once, at the full end/consummation of the ages, for putting away of sin through his sacrifice, he hath been manifested;

Paul also uses the plural ages but not "full end/consummation"....

1Co 10:11
And all these things as types did happen to those persons, and they were written for our admonition, to whom the end of the ages did come,
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A lexicon also shows it to be the final, complete consummation.

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

4930. sunteleia from 4931;
entire completion, i.e. consummation (of a dispensation):--end.
4931. sunteleo from 4862 and 5055;
to complete entirely; generally, to execute (literally or figuratively):--end, finish, fulfil, make.

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Matthew 24:3 Commentaries: Biblehub

Meyer's NT Commentary
καὶ συντελ. τοῦ αἰῶνος
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In the Gospels we find no trace of the millenarian ideas of the Apocalypse.
The τοῦ αἰῶνος, with the article, but not further defined, is to be understood as referring to the existing, the then current age of the world, i.e. to the αἰὼν οὗτος, which is brought to a close (συντέλεια) with the second coming, inasmuch as, with this latter event, the αἰὼν μέλλων begins. See on Matthew 13:39.
The second coming, the resurrection and the last judgment, fall upon the ἐσχάτη ἡμέρα (John 6:39; John 11:24), which, as it will be the last day of the αἰὼν οὗτος in general, so of the ἐσχάτων ἡμερῶν (Acts 2:17; 2 Timothy 3:1; Jam 5:3; Hebrews 1:2; 2 Peter 3:3) in particular, or of the καιρὸς ἔσχατος (1 Peter 1:5), or of the χρόνος ἔσχατος (Judges 1:18; 1 Peter 1:20), which John likewise calls the ἐσχάτη ὥρα (1 John 2:18). This concluding period, which terminates with the last day, is to be characterized by abounding distress and wickedness (see on Galatians 1:4). The article was unnecessary before συντελείας, seeing that it is followed by the genitive of specification; Winer, p. 118 f. [E. T. 155].
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Pulpit Commentary
Sign of thy coming (τῆς σῆς παρουσίας), and of the end of the world (συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος).
They look upon these two events as synchronous, or very closely connected. The word parousia, which in classical Greek means "presence," or "arrival," is used in the New Testament specially for the second advent of Christ to set up his eternal kingdom in full power and glory (see in this chapter vers. 27, 37, 39; and comp. 1 Corinthians 15:23; 1 Thessalonians 2:19; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, etc.). Referring to the same event, we find in some places the term "epiphany" used (see 1 Timothy 6:14; 2 Timothy 4:1), and in others "revelation" (ἀποκάλυψις, 1 Corinthians 1:7; 2 Thessalonians 1:7); but the three expressions denote simply the open establishment of Messiah's kingdom, indefnitely as to time and manner.

The phrase translated "the end of the world "means literally the consummation of the age (cf. Matthew 13:39; Hebrews 9:26); consummationis saeculi (Vulgate); i.e. the close of this present seen, in contradistinction from the future aeon, or the world to come. This is "the last time," "the last days," spoken of elsewhere (see 1 Peter 1:5; 1 John 2:18; and comp. Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1).
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

PREFACE
History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves -- are circumstances which must always insure to the subject of the following pages more than ordinary degrees of interest and importance.
Many eminent and learned men have employed their pens in the illustration of it ; but the fruits of their labours are, for the most part, contained in large and expensive works, out of the reach of numbers, to whom the discussion might prove equally interesting and improving...........
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Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose
  • Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.
  • The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.

Amillennialism: "no millennium", rejects the theory that Jesus Christ will have a thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth. The amillennial viewpoint holds that the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 is a symbolic number, not a literal description; that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age
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The "old age" already ended in the first century. The temple was destroyed and the gospel was given to all nations.
The old covenant was put away and the new one, better, was established.
I am in agreement with that concerning the end of that "age"......
 
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What you don't understand is that Iran and their proxies WILL attempt to attack Israel with nukes and their thousands of conventional rockets.
But at the moment of that attack, the Lord will instigate a huge CME that will cause their weapons to explode on the launch pad.

Well, it is entertaining concept at least. Though why the leadership of Iran would suddenly choose a mass suicide is little hard to explain?
 
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Jesus then gives the sign we all should recognize

Matthew 24 - 15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will

Paul also refers to this as a prerequisite of the coming of the Lord and our being gather unto him in 2Thessolonians 2 –

1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, a 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.


IMO this is the sign we are looking for. If the OK was given today. The Jews could have a tent installed on the Temple Mount very quickly. There’s no need for a building program to start the sacrifices. Moses and King David used a tent before there was any building.

The temple in which the A/C sets up the AOD is already here. It is in King George street in Jerusalem. The Third temple on the sacred site is built in the millennium. (Ez. 40 ff)

The AOD is in the holiest place and that is quite visible in this temple/synagogue in Jerusalem. If the AOD was in the final temple on the sacred site no one would see the image as it would be behind the veil.
 
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You seem to have been taught a method of interpretation that says; the AoD must happen in the future.
Yes, 2nd Thessalonians 2 teaches it must happen before the coming of the Lord

1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
 
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The temple in which the A/C sets up the AOD is already here. It is in King George street in Jerusalem. The Third temple on the sacred site is built in the millennium. (Ez. 40 ff)

The AOD is in the holiest place and that is quite visible in this temple/synagogue in Jerusalem. If the AOD was in the final temple on the sacred site no one would see the image as it would be behind the veil.
I'll have to check this out Thanks
 
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Yes, 2nd Thessalonians 2 teaches it must happen before the coming of the Lord

1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Is the 'man of lawlessness' a desolation of Jerusalem?
 
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I think I know where you're going. I'm Pre-wrath. If your trying to push Preterism try another OP
I have no view point in eschatology.

Daniel spoke of the desolation that was Jerusalem while exiled in Babylon.

Daniel's prophecy of the loathsome desolation of Jerusalem in the future, was more than likely fulfilled in AD 70.

I will ask you again, is the terrible desolation of Jerusalem a sign for you. A sign for you derived from ignoring Luke 21?
 
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I have no view point in eschatology.

Daniel spoke of the desolation that was Jerusalem while exiled in Babylon.

Daniel's prophecy of the loathsome desolation of Jerusalem in the future, was more than likely fulfilled in AD 70.

I will ask you again, is the terrible desolation of Jerusalem a sign for you. A sign for you derived from ignoring Luke 21?
Your accusations are not appreciated. implying I'm ignoring Luke 21. I suppose you're referring to verse 20. There is no mention of Daniel in Luke 21 , just because the word desolation is used doesn't mean the AoD. However, this passage does have the same warnings. I believe Luke 21:20 is referring, possibly to events in 70AD, or it is describing events at the same time as the AoD. Matthew and Marks Olivet Discourse describes the AoD "standing" in the Holy place. In 2nd Thess Paul says the man of lawlessness takes his seat in the temple. They do not mention armies.
 
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Your accusations are not appreciated. implying I'm ignoring Luke 21. I suppose you're referring to verse 20. There is no mention of Daniel in Luke 21 , just because the word desolation is used doesn't mean the AoD. However, this passage does have the same warnings. I believe Luke 21:20 is referring, possibly to events in 70AD, or it is describing events at the same time as the AoD. Matthew and Marks Olivet Discourse describes the AoD "standing" in the Holy place. In 2nd Thess Paul says the man of lawlessness takes his seat in the temple. They do not mention armies.
I made no accusation.

I was asking if you included Luke 21 in your interpretation.

Please note, the temple is already standing and sacrifices were a regular event before the temple is desecrated and the sacrifices were stopped.

Then they will destroy the temple and it will be a desolate place. As the verse from Daniel explains below.

Daniel 11:31
Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.

So the idea of a tent fulfilling prophecy is alarming.

This is the fulfillment that Luke accurately records in chapter 21.

Luke 21:20
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

Which is exactly what the Roman army unleashed on the temple and Jerusalem. The temple was desecrated and the regular sacrificed ceased, then the temple and even Jerusalem were desolate.

Now for the exact same event spoken by Jesus to the apostles in Matthew.

Matthew 24:15-16
Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place let the reader understand,
then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

1) The holy place is none other than the temple, when the temple is destroyed you must flee.

2) Only those in Judea must flee to the mountains.

According to Luke the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem is not the end of the world. The age of the Gentiles will follow.

Matthew poorly combines the end of the temple and Jerusalem with the end time predictions.
 
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I made no accusation.

I was asking if you included Luke 21 in your interpretation.

Please note, the temple is already standing and sacrifices were a regular event before the temple is desecrated and the sacrifices were stopped.

Then they will destroy the temple and it will be a desolate place. As the verse from Daniel explains below.

Daniel 11:31
Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.

So the idea of a tent fulfilling prophecy is alarming.

This is the fulfillment that Luke accurately records in chapter 21.

Luke 21:20
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

Which is exactly what the Roman army unleashed on the temple and Jerusalem. The temple was desecrated and the regular sacrificed ceased, then the temple and even Jerusalem were desolate.

Now for the exact same event spoken by Jesus to the apostles in Matthew.

Matthew 24:15-16
Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place let the reader understand,
then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

1) The holy place is none other than the temple, when the temple is destroyed you must flee.

2) Only those in Judea must flee to the mountains.

According to Luke the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem is not the end of the world. The age of the Gentiles will follow.

Matthew poorly combines the end of the temple and Jerusalem with the end time predictions.
It seems you do have a view point on eschatology ! Matthew 24 continues

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

They will see the Son of Man coming and He will gather his Elect. This didn't happen in 70AD
 
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Well, it is entertaining concept at least. Though why the leadership of Iran would suddenly choose a mass suicide is little hard to explain?
Their 'god', Allah; actually Satan, will drive them to do it.
Their intention to 'wipe Israel off the map', is not 'sudden' at all; they have threatened it for years. That they WILL attempt it, is well prophesied; Isaiah 21:2, Isaiah 22:6, and Jeremiah 49:34-36, Ezekiel 32:24-25 is the result of it.
 
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It seems you do have a view point on eschatology ! Matthew 24 continues

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

They will see the Son of Man coming and He will gather his Elect. This didn't happen in 70AD
So your saying when the temple is desecrated and Jerusalem is desolate, and those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Then that is the end of everything. Which utterly ignores Luke's account of that same desolation of Jerusalem.

The Jews in Jerusalem fleeing to the mountains does not make any sense, given this is the end. What a crazy interpretation you apply to the scripture.

I said before that I do not follow any eschatology, they are all flawed.
 
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So your saying when the temple is desecrated and Jerusalem is desolate, and those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Then that is the end of everything. Which utterly ignores Luke's account of that same desolation of Jerusalem.

The Jews in Jerusalem fleeing to the mountains does not make any sense, given this is the end. What a crazy interpretation you apply to the scripture.

I said before that I do not follow any eschatology, they are all flawed.
So you believe Jesus came back then ?
 
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So you believe Jesus came back then ?
No, I do not follow Preterism. I told you already that I have no allegiance to any interpretation of eschatology.

Do you think that Luke 21 is not a mirror image of Matthew 24?
 
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No, I do not follow Preterism. I told you already that I have no allegiance to any interpretation of eschatology.

Do you think that Luke 21 is not a mirror image of Matthew 24?
No as I wrote, I think Luke could be talking about events of 70AD. I'll give you an example also from Luke 21

16You will be delivered up even by parents and brothersc and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death. 17You will be hated by all for my name’s sake. 18But not a hair of your head will perish. 19By your endurance you will gain your lives.

Verse 16 says some of you they will put to death. Verse 18 Not a hair of your head will perish. Luke's clearly talking about different time periods.

Maybe I'll do a post on differences between Matthew and Luke.

I don't know what time it is in Australia but it's late here. Good night
 
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