Paul preach Kingdom gospel?

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Well He didn't come to give us the good news He was King, but to give us the good news of the Kingdom, so your choice. :) And not only did He focus on the will of the Father but told us to do likewise, so a King is still a go between is it not?
2 Co. 5:16. Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.
What He spoke of concerning Himself while on earth, particularly rejecting the idea that He came to be crowned king, is no longer valid. Jesus reigns over His Kingdom, He is on the Throne. That being said, you do speak rightly is saying that He remains but a go between, man and God. The mediator, an intercessor at the right hand of God.
1 Timothy 2:5. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
In the end, God will be all, in all.
1 Co. 15:27,28. For He has put all things under his feet. But when He says all things are put under him, it is manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under him. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
 
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Well He didn't come to give us the good news He was King, but to give us the good news of the Kingdom, so your choice. :) And not only did He focus on the will of the Father but told us to do likewise, so a King is still a go between is it not?

John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
 
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Well that is the mystery of the trinity - equally glorious - God on earth - no hierarchy in the trinity. If the Father loves us as Jesus assured us was the case, do we really need a 'go-between'? I am not expecting an answer - just embrace God as Love - Father Son and Holy Spirit.
 
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If the Father loves us as Jesus assured us was the case, do we really need a 'go-between'?
Then why does Jesus stand between us and the Father? Jesus in the Holy place of that new tabernacle which must be passed to meet the Father and now can be also by us as the veil is torn. (John 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.) Where is God? In the new Kingdom. The Holy Place where as in the original there was bread and light, now also Jesus the bread and light. Also the incense alter where prayers are no longer made to God on behalf of the people but where Jesus directly intercedes for us as we approach the Throne. The outer court full of we who teach the gospel of the Kingdom as directed by Jesus 2000 years ago, those who seek to give up control and live under God's will, and for a short time before judgment for those who ignore the gospel of the Kingdom teaching a lesser gospel convenient to mankind.
 
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no hierarchy in the trinity.
John 5:19. Then Jesus answered and said to them, Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
Jesus here declares a hierarchy between the Father and the Son. The equality of the Son to the Father is based on granted authority. In the end, God will be all, in all.
John 12:49. For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
John 14:10. Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
1 Co. 15:24. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
Then we will no longer need an intercessor, until that day, Jesus, the Son of God, has sanctified Himself for this one purpose.
John 17:19. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the Truth.
 
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The Son without question does not set the Father at distance, He is our access.
John 14:6. Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Hebrews 7:19. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
 
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BobY777: Jesus revealed to Paul the gospel of the Grace of God over 3 years in the Arabian desert. After this revelation, did Paul preach a Kingdom gospel to the Jews and a Grace gospel to gentiles? And later he switched over to preaching a grace gospel to both Jews and gentiles?

JL: Speaking of Paul in [Acts9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. 15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles and kings, and the children of Israel:]

Christ said Paul was chosen to bear His name before Gentiles, kings and the children of Israel. My understanding Paul received the one and only gospel of Jesus Christ at his vision on the way to Damascus. The same gospel Jesus taught to the other apostles. Paul then went for three years to Arabia most likely to meditate on the OT in light of Christ’s revelations and perhaps how to present that one gospel to Gentiles. He had no problem presenting it to the Jews.

[Acts9:19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. 20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

[1Cor12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.]k

[Acts13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. 40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; 41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you. 42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.]k

Paul preached in verse 38 forgiveness of sins and justification, to both Jews and Gentles. In verse 43 Jews were persuaded to continue in the grace of God.

[Acts15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.]k

Notice at the first Church Council in Acts15 what Peter said in verse 11. He seems to believe both Jew and Gentle are saved by grace, not of works. Same gospel as Paul. Same gospel preached by all the apostles and Paul to both Jew and Greek=Gentiles

[Acts15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.]

Paul tells us all, other apostles, preach the same gospel of Jesus Christ.
KJV King version bablegateway
 
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After Paul received his sight the Bible says in Acts 9:20:

And straightway he (Paul) preached Christ in the synagogues, that Jesus is the Son of God.



Well, All Paul knew about at that time was The Good News of the Kingdom of God. Paul knew nothing about the Grace of God.

Q: So isn’t it safe for me to say that Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom of God to the Jews in the synagogues. And any preaching that he did would have done (before Arabia) would be a Kingdom gospel?

Q: Is it reasonable to say that Paul was saved by the Kingdom gospel, since he didn’t know about the Grace gospel yet?

Q: Jesus revealed to Paul the gospel of the Grace of God over 3 years in the Arabian desert. After this revelation, did Paul preach a Kingdom gospel to the Jews and a Grace gospel to gentiles? And later he switched over to preaching a grace gospel to both Jews and gentiles?

Thanks much for your help,

Bob Young


Hi and this what the HOLY SPIRIT had LUKE write in Acts 9:20 !!

#1 The Greek words HE PREACHED / KERYSSO is in the Greek IMPERFECT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , and in the INDICATIVE MOOD !!

#2 , The IMPERFECT TENSE means Saul began to PROCLAIMING the CHRIST and also means that SAUL / PAUL stopped proclaiming to the Jews very soon !!

#3 The ACTIVE VOICE isnthe one producing the action !!

#4 The INDICATIVE MOOD says that the IMPEFECT TENSE means it is a FACT !!

In Rom 1:1 it uses the Greek word SEPARATED / APHORIZO wich is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and a PARTICIPLKE !!

The collect words should be HAVING BEEN SEPARATED !!

The Greek word HAVING is the PARTICIPLE !

The PASSIVE VOICE means God separated Paul to preach GOD'S GOSPEL !!

The Greek words Paul was SEPARATED , BOUNDARIES and that Paul was LIMKITED to ONLY PREACH GOD'S GOSPEL , PERIOD !!

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The Greek words Paul was SEPARATED , BOUNDARIES and that Paul was LIMKITED to ONLY PREACH GOD'S GOSPEL , PERIOD !!

dan p
He was not to preach beyond the limits of OT written word. From Paul's perspective viewed from the viewpoint of the Father, he could do no less that obtain parables according to the customs to explain heavenly things in earthly examples. Jesus explained the difficulties of doing such to Nicodemus.
 
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I don't have an answer - I think aspects of the Godhead are beyond our comprehension. I think any theology the put's the Father 'at distance' is suspect.
Equivalent in glory.

John 5:23
So that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
 
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[Acts15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.]k

Notice at the first Church Council in Acts15 what Peter said in verse 11. He seems to believe both Jew and Gentle are saved by grace, not of works. Same gospel as Paul. Same gospel preached by all the apostles and Paul to both Jew and Greek=Gentiles

[Acts15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.]

Paul tells us all, other apostles, preach the same gospel of Jesus Christ.
KJV King version bablegateway

Peter tried to get the Council to excuse Jews from the Law too, but James at the end only excused the gentiles, but not the Jews.

Acts 21:20-25 confirmed that.
 
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He was not to preach beyond the limits of OT written word. From Paul's perspective viewed from the viewpoint of the Father, he could do no less that obtain parables according to the customs to explain heavenly things in earthly examples. Jesus explained the difficulties of doing such to Nicodemus.


Hi and where are those found that explains your reply ?

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