Paul preach Kingdom gospel?

Minister Monardo said:

I am aware of what Jesus told the thief on the cross. And yet, Jesus didn't go to heaven when he died,

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There was no punctuation in the original writings. Take out that comma and the sentence no longer says what the blind have dictated for centuries.

“Truly I tell you today you will be with me in Paradise.”

timothyu said:

Three clear passages stating Paul spent much of his time expounding on the Gospel of the Kingdom. It would then seem that had he done so, which I believe he did, that there would have been be a book or at least a letter written dedicated to just that alone. Yet no sign of one. Could it be it would not have been convenient to Gentiles who assembled the NT and were founding a religion to have such a document exist? The Kingdom is after all contrary to the ways of man, especially man building their own kingdom.

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Paul usually addressed the concerns "as they came up" and was largely dependent on the "audience" he was speaking to.

I think the following is a very good depiction of Pauls "teaching styles".

When we see Paul's letters, we realize that he's writing a very ordinary kind of prose letter writing style because it's very similar to what we see in all the standard letters of the ancient world. Letter writing itself had a very standardized style and tone, and we know from the discovery of many, many letters from Egypt among the papyri that the practice of letter writing and the forms of letter writing had become very commonplace in the Greco-Roman world, and Paul's letters match up with these typical letters from the ancient world very, very well.

Paul adapted some of the standard stylistic features of letter writing to the particular needs of his own theological concerns and his needs of instruction for these Christian communities. So Paul kind of develops a standard letter form for his style of writing. But within that standard style Paul is very adaptable. He's able to take the standard elements of a letter and make them fit the peculiar needs of any given situation.

If the Corinthian community is suffering from too much division and strife he turns it into a letter of instruction on harmony and unity. In the case of the Thessalonian congregation when they're not sure about what's going to happen to them he turned it into a letter of consolation and comfort. In the case of the Galatian community when they seemed to be ready to turn their back on Paul entirely and become much more Jewish in their orientation he turns into a scolding parent and blisters them with purple prose about how they cannot turn back on the Gospel of Christ that he had given them. So the letters very sharply intone according to the needs of the situation and the circumstances to which he's writing.

timothyu said:

Three clear passages stating Paul spent much of his time expounding on the Gospel of the Kingdom. It would then seem that had he done so, which I believe he did, that there would have been be a book or at least a letter written dedicated to just that alone. Yet no sign of one. Could it be it would not have been convenient to Gentiles who assembled the NT and were founding a religion to have such a document exist? The Kingdom is after all contrary to the ways of man, especially man building their own kingdom.

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Using the term kingdom derives from the covenant that was presented to the Gentiles:
Isaiah 55:3. Incline your ear, and come to Me. Hear, and your soul shall live; And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—The sure mercies of David. Also translated steadfast love for David.
Acts 15:16. After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up.
Isaiah chapters 40-66; the Psalms; and the narrative of the life of King David, and how an Ephrathite
became the King of Israel, is sufficient to show that the Gentiles were always a part of God's plan for a covenant people.
Luke 1:32, 69. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David. And has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of His servant David.
As the Lord Himself did, Paul expounded the Gospel from the Law, the Prophets, and the writings, for there was enough written for that generation to have recognized Him. His letters that have been compiled provide further elaboration, again using the scriptures.
Luke 24:47. And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

eleos1954 said:

When we see Paul's letters

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But this isn't about his letters or his style. It's about the fact that with all his teachings on the Gospel of the Kingdom, that there is nothing specific as a teaching given us by him or perhaps through Luke on Jesus' specific Gospel. That is not to say it didn't exist. But no doubt Christianity would have taken an entirely different direction had it been available, and the gentile church would not so easily have moved away from Gospel of the Kingdom.

Minister Monardo said:

Using the term kingdom derives from the covenant that was presented to the Gentiles:

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Doctrinal sidestep

timothyu said:

Doctrinal sidestep

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Sidestepping what? That the house of David=the kingdom of the Messiah.

timothyu said:

But this isn't about his letters or his style. It's about the fact that with all his teachings on the Gospel of the Kingdom, that there is noting specific as a teaching given us by him or perhaps through Luke on Jesus' specific Gospel. That is not to say it didn't exist. But no doubt Christianity would have taken an entirely different direction had it been available.

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I believe Gods word is as He intended it to be. Jesus is the Gospel (the good news) and He is on every page of the Holy Bible in one way or another.

Minister Monardo said:

Sidestepping what? That the house of David=the kingdom of the Messiah.

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But how does that show the opposing natures of the Kingdom compared to the world man has made in our own image?

eleos1954 said:

Jesus is the Gospel (the good news)

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Luke 4: 43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Matthew 24: 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

etc.

He preached a place and the governance/kingdom/will of the Father.

timothyu said:

But how does that show the opposing natures of the Kingdom compared to the world man has made in our own image?

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It seems you want to know now, what we will know then.

Minister Monardo said:

It seems you want to know now, what we will know then.

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I do know now because Jesus taught just that and gave us a choice to accept and live by one or the other contrary ways of life. His original followers were know as haters of mankind for a reason.

timothyu said:

Luke 4: 43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Matthew 24: 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

etc.

He preached a place and the governance/kingdom/will of the Father.

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The Gospel (good news) is everything about Jesus .... not just the kingdom. His life, His death, His resurrection, everything about Him

The kingdom of God encompasses everything about Jesus.

eleos1954 said:

The kingdom of God encompasses everything about Jesus.

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Yes it speaks of the messenger but His message is more important

Are you sure about that ????

Carl Emerson said:

Are you sure about that ????

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He would have spent more time talking about Himself rather than the will of the Father, which is the foundation of the Kingdom. He did have a job to do yes. Promote the Gospel of the Kingdom and do what was required of Him to bring it to fruition. Once 'it is finished' things move along. We then have a Kingdom and a King, not to mention the ways of the Kingdom summed up in two commandments and a choice to follow it's way or carry on in the self serving ways of mankind and the world we have built in our own image.

Sorry, I thought you were saying that His message was more important than Him...

The Message: the Logos of God.
Colossians 1:16, 17. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Revelation 4:11. Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
John 1:3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Carl Emerson said:

Sorry, I thought you were saying that His message was more important than Him...

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Well He didn't come to give us the good news He was King, but to give us the good news of the Kingdom, so your choice. And not only did He focus on the will of the Father but told us to do likewise, so a King is still a go between is it not?

timothyu said:

He would have spent more time talking about Himself rather than the will of the Father, which is the foundation of the Kingdom.

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He spent plenty of time talking about Himself, nearly the entire Gospel of John.
I AM...Believing in Him IS the foundation of the Gospel, as well as the will of the Father.
John 5:23. That all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
John 6:39. This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
1 John 5:5. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Minister Monardo said:

He spent plenty of time talking about Himself, nearly the entire Gospel of John.

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Agreed. As a worthy go between between the Father and man. He wasn't campaigning for some position of power like we see everyday on tv to convince us of His authourity. He gave all credit for everything He did to the Father. Believing in Jesus is more than believing in the man, but also His message which was the Kingdom of God, a governance even Jesus followed to a t.