THE SABBATH TRUTH!
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Not really Billy it is because we love God that we keep His commandments *JOHN 14:15. Your not reading what is being shared with you. We do not keep God's LAW to be saved we keep it because JESUS has given us a new heart to love and forgiven us for our sins and given us His salvation as a free gift *EPHESIANS 2:8-9 and now we are free from sin to walk in newness of life through his Spirit *ROMANS 8:1-4; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31; 1 JOHN 3:6-10; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-10; MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 6:1-23; EPHESIANS 2:8-9. By His stripes we are healed and the blood of JESUS Christ cleanses us from all unrighteousness (sin). *ISAIAH 53:5; 1 JOHN 1:7-9; 1 JOHN 5:17-18
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Sorry Billy this topic has nothing to do with the OP here. Your welcome to start another thread if you like and send me a link and I will be happy to share my thoughts there with you? This one is about the Sabbath truth according to the scriptures of God's Word.
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That what the law does it pulls you further under bondage making you observe carnal ordinance until you end up believing its sin to eat pork even when the word of God says the opposite for Christians.
Also it has everything to do with it because what you preach is from Ellen G White who also preached certain rules of what you should and should not eat. I find it strange that she taught observance of days and foods in order to be righteous the same two categories Paul mentioned not to judge each other with.
Romans 14 King James Version (KJV)
14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
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Not really Billy the bondage being referred to is sin *JOHN 8:31-36 not the law and God's 10 commandments are not in carnal ordinances. Your mixing up the Mosaic ceremonial laws with God's eternal LAW (the 10 commandments). According to God's Word in the new covenant God's LAW (10 commandments) have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 and according to the scriptures if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God "under the law" *ROMANS 3:19 of breaking them JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when we break it *EXODUS 20:8-11; ROMANS 3:20.
As posted earlier your misinterpreting the scriptures in relation to ROMANS 14. Why? ROMANS 14 says nothing about Gods' 4th commandment. ROMANS 14 is in relation eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regard. There is no reference to Gods' 4th commandment in all of ROMANS 14.
If you disagree did you want to show me the scripture where ROMANS 14 is talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath? Your trying to read into the scriptures something the scriptures do not say. ROMANS 14 says nothing about Gods' 4th commandment.
In fact you will not find a single scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is simply a teaching and tradition of men handed down to Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church that JESUS warns us about here *MATTHEW 15:2-9.
Hope this helps.
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As posted earlier I am happy to discuss this topic with but this is off topic here to the OP. If you want to start a new thread send me a link and I will be happy to discuss it with you if you like. This OP is on the SABBATH truth from the word of God.
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Matthew 11:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Today if you hear His voice. Today not tomorrow or Saturday, today. The Israelites rested as God commanded, but they never rested in faith. I have been telling you and all of the other preachers of the old covenant law that the ten were not about love. They were about duty, "thou shalt not". The writer of Hebrews makes it plain that they didn't observe it with faith out of love. Because Christians, most of us at least if we have not fallen for the stuff that those who claim we have to keep a day in order to be saved, are of faith we can find the Rest that Israel didn't. "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." Jesus told us that. Abraham found Rest in Jesus because of His faith. All of Israel knew this, but refused to follow in Abraham's
footsteps. Moses wrote it all for them to hear. 2Cor 3:6-11 explains that we are not under the ten commandments yet those of you that have it in your heads that we are under those laws refuse to admit the fact. The long posts that are submitted with all the verses that have nothing to do with the subject and are there only to try to impress new covenant Christians and those who are here lurking, are for naught because we are not under old covenant laws.
By the way, loving others as Jesus loves us is not found in the old covenant. It is new and it is supreme.
12 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." Jn 15
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. 1Jn 3
Show us where Jesus ever commanded that we keep a day. Show us where any of the New Testament writers commanded that we must keep a day. It was Ellen White and her cohorts that came up with that. Then she wrote the following: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4} "But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth." {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}
I like the pork question and the non answer says it all.
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1. A good example of a chapter that does not mention the weekly Sabbath at all.
2. The Rom 14 text refers to the Bible approved annual holy days of Lev 23
3. By contrast Gal 4 flat out condemns even one observance of a pagan holy day
Bible details matter.
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True. Honoring and obeying God's Word is the outward sign that we love God.
"This IS the Love of God that we KEEP His commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
Oh that the Chinese in Wuhan would give this some serious thought.
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and His commandments are:
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
We know for sure that 1Jn 5:2-3 isn't referring to the ten commandments because of the following verses from Jesus ambassador , the apostle Paul.
2Cor3:
7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, (the ten commandments) led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. 11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
No Sabbath law, no law, no sin. The Holy Spirit is now the guide that all mankind look to for guidance. The ten commandments as a guide could only condemn the Israelites.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
We know for sure that 1Jn 5:2-3 isn't referring to the ten commandments because of the following verses from Jesus ambassador , the apostle Paul.
2Cor3:
7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, (the ten commandments) led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life? 9 If the old way, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God! 10 In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. 11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
No Sabbath law, no law, no sin. The Holy Spirit is now the guide that all mankind look to for guidance. The ten commandments as a guide could only condemn the Israelites.
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I believe many are not mindful of what our Lord says when he states that he is Lord of the sabbath and if we are found to be within him and him within US have we not I’m entered into his rest? As SAINTS that worship the Lord in Spirit and Truth is the Sabbath the only day that WE should be mindful of? The Law is a pointer but cannot spur us on to Holiness...Only a relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that indwells each believer can do this...
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What does Paul have to say about the ten commandments? 2Cor3:7 7 The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death,
That is the real truth about the ten commandments and Paul further states that the ten commandments bit the dust. Telling us that they are eternal is a complete misnomer. 11 So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever!
Paul even tells us what replaced the "old way". 8 Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way, now that the Holy Spirit is giving life?
Since the old way has been replaced by the new way, the old covenant replaced by the new covenant, we don't have the ceremonial Sabbath of the old way. Jesus is the new way to find Rest. We now rest in Jesus. Beautiful isn't it. Our Savior God invites the
lowest to rest in Him. Israel never attained God's rest, but we have an open invitation to find and achieve His rest. Thank you Lord Jesus.
Let's explore Romans 3:20 20 For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.
The law was not just the ten commandments as some try to instill in us. The law contained 613 rules that was the constitution for the Israelite nation. It had no eternal redeeming value. It was not a salvational covenant, the new covenant is salvational.
The law had rules about keeping certain days, months and years. Are those rules telling us today that we are sinning because we don't observe those days? The law says that people must bring sacrifices to the Levites because of their sinning. Is that rule telling you and me to bring those sacrifices to the Levites today? I could go on and on, but the point is those laws were for the Israelites. They were there to keep the Israelites from doing wrong according to all of the rules given only to them by God. If we take Paul's statement to mean that we are sinful for not keeping days, weeks, and months and not sacrificing animals then of course we are sinning. The laws of the new covenant are the laws that Christians are to look at to determine if what we are doing is wrong and sinful. The ceremonial laws of the old covenant are no longer binding on anyone. They ended at Calvary. Our laws deal with morality. If we fail to love our fellow man we are failing to love God. The Royal Law of Love is the standard Christians are to use to give us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.
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Let's get down to the nitty gritty about Col 2:16-17. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't "religious festival" mean the ceremonial days like Purim, Shavuot, Pesach, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot and Hanukkah
and were they not called Sabbaths? Sorry if I missed some of the special Sabbaths. Paul goes on to mention another high day "new moon ceremonies" and then he mentions Sabbath day. Those who tell us that "Sabbath day" doesn't mean the weekly Sabbath found in the ten commandments and is just another feast day like those I just mentioned are not telling us what the scripture actually is saying. They are telling us that Paul didn't have a good grasp on how to write. It would mean that Paul was a stuttering writer, a repeater of the Word. Those who believe that what Paul wrote was not the weekly Sabath have an agenda that denies what Paul really wrote. He wrote that the weekly Sabbath was a shadow of things to come and Jesus is our reality. Jesus is our eternal Rest. The Sabbath law ended at Calvary along with all the rest of the ceremonial laws of the old covenant. Amen!
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't "religious festival" mean the ceremonial days like Purim, Shavuot, Pesach, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot and Hanukkah
and were they not called Sabbaths? Sorry if I missed some of the special Sabbaths. Paul goes on to mention another high day "new moon ceremonies" and then he mentions Sabbath day. Those who tell us that "Sabbath day" doesn't mean the weekly Sabbath found in the ten commandments and is just another feast day like those I just mentioned are not telling us what the scripture actually is saying. They are telling us that Paul didn't have a good grasp on how to write. It would mean that Paul was a stuttering writer, a repeater of the Word. Those who believe that what Paul wrote was not the weekly Sabath have an agenda that denies what Paul really wrote. He wrote that the weekly Sabbath was a shadow of things to come and Jesus is our reality. Jesus is our eternal Rest. The Sabbath law ended at Calvary along with all the rest of the ceremonial laws of the old covenant. Amen!
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the fifth commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 in that still-valid unit of TEN
And -- James
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18)
you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
Instead of the law based on "he who snips out entire sections of the Bible" it is "He who said"
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ok. for all eternity after the cross - in the New Earth- "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
"do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31
Where "the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 in that still-valid LAW for all mankind is the unit of TEN --
about Col 2:16-17. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
does not abolish eating... or drinking... or the weekly Sabbath or even the annual feast Sabbaths of Lev 23. It abolishes what was condemned before the cross regarding "judging others" Matthew 7
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