Remember ye the Law of Moses

BrotherD · Mar 28, 2020

Malachi 4:4
[4]Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

The last book and the last chapter and third to the last verse of the old testament says this.

God says to REMEMBER the law of Moses. What is the opposite of remeber? Forget is the opposite of it.

Proverbs 3:1 KJV — My son, FORGET NOT my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

Psalm 119:109 KJV — My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I NOT FORGET thy law.

If we forget his law, he will forget our children:

Hosea 4:6
[6]My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

If we do not want the Lord to forget our children, then we should teach them his laws:

Deuteronomy 6:1-2,7
[1]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[2]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[7]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

The world will be destroyed because we have transgressed his laws; see Isaiah 24:1-6.

There is a blessing if we keep his law and curse if we don't. The whole of Deuteronomy 28 sums it up.

In conclusion, those who love the Lord will remember his law and only with faith in Christ Jesus can walk in it, in obedience.

John 14:15 KJV — If ye love me, keep my commandments.

TzephanYahu · Mar 28, 2020

Amen @BrotherD and what a privilege it is too. It is no longer a heavy burden when you walk by the spirit. All praise to our Father Yahweh and thanks to our Lord Yahushua (Jesus).

New Jerusalem will be arriving soon!

Love & Shalom

Rescued One · Mar 28, 2020

That was for the Israelites, not the Gentile converts.

GospelS · Mar 28, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
That was for the Israelites, not the Gentile converts.

How would anyone know if they are gentiles or not unless one can track their whole ancestry to the time of Genesis, our forefathers of all nations? God scattered Israelites into all nations. Perhaps there are some that belong to the line of Jacob (Israel) who are the remnant of Israel that God is bringing them back into their original roots.

BrotherD · Mar 28, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
That was for the Israelites, not the Gentile converts.

The main problem we as a people have is identifying with Israel which is the name God gave his people. Here take a look at these scriptures:

Ephesians 2:11-14
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made BOTH one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

This states that we were strangers from Israel, but now we are not.

Galatians 3:16 KJV — Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:29 KJV — And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:7 KJV — Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

These clearly state we are of the seed of Abraham if we have faith. Therefore we are of Israel.

Rescued One · Mar 28, 2020

BrotherD said:
The main problem we as a people have is identifying with Israel which is the name God gave his people. Here take a look at these scriptures:

Ephesians 2:11-14
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made BOTH one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

This states that we were strangers from Israel, but now we are not.

Galatians 3:16 KJV — Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:29 KJV — And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3:7 KJV — Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

These clearly state we are of the seed of Abraham if we have faith. Therefore we are of Israel.

We aren't under the law. There are 613 commandments, but since I post mainly to Mormons (also on this topic) I don't have time to deal with it here.

BrotherD · Mar 28, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
We aren't under the law. There are 613 commandments, but since I post mainly to Mormons (also on this topic) I don't have time to deal with it here.

We still abide by the law except we do no animal sacrificing. The same way God wanted us to be a holy nation:

Exodus 19:6 KJV — And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Peter spoke the same thing in the new testament:

1 Peter 2:9-10
[9]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
[10]Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Bob S · Mar 28, 2020

gospels said:
How would anyone know if they are gentiles or not unless one can track their whole ancestry to the time of Genesis, our forefathers of all nations? God scattered Israelites into all nations. Perhaps there are some that belong to the line of Jacob (Israel) who are the remnant of Israel that God is bringing them back into their original roots.

That is like pouring ice water on someone who pronounced a beautiful thought. Jesus came to make us all one. He did away with the barrier that was between Jew and Gentile. Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Bob S · Mar 28, 2020

BrotherD said:
We still abide by the law except we do no animal sacrificing. The same way God wanted us to be a holy nation:

Scripture that backs up your statement please. Here I thought we are now under the new and better covenant.

Exodus 19:6 KJV — And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

IF you keep my covenant. They didn't

Peter spoke the same thing in the new testament:

1 Peter 2:9-10
[9]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
[10]Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Not quite the same statement. No "If' in that statement. Believe in the one who sent Me and love one another as I have loved you and we ~~become~~ are part of the chosen generation...... No "ifs" in the new covenant.

expos4ever · Mar 28, 2020

BrotherD said:
We still abide by the law except we do no animal sacrificing.

Paul is quite clear - the Law of Moses has been set aside:

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code

BrotherD said:
The same way God wanted us to be a holy nation:

Exodus 19:6 KJV — And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Peter spoke the same thing in the new testament:

1 Peter 2:9-10
[9]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;.... t...

Just because we, the church, are a people "set apart", just like Israel was, does not necessarily mean that what set Israel apart (the Law of Moses) is the same thing that sets us apart. In fact, there is strong Biblical evidence that it is the Holy Spirit, and not the Law of Moses, that marks out the Christian.

expos4ever · Mar 28, 2020

BrotherD said:
Ephesians 2:11-14
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made BOTH one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

This states that we were strangers from Israel, but now we are not.

This very Biblical text you provide demonstrates that, in fact, the Law of Moses is no more:

For he is our peace, who hath made BOTH one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us

What is this "wall" that has been destroyed?

Why the Law of Moses, of course.

GospelS · Mar 28, 2020

Bob S said:
That is like pouring ice water on someone who pronounced a beautiful thought. Jesus came to make us all one. He did away with the barrier that was between Jew and Gentile. Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Yes. I understand. But my post was a response to the Phoebe Ann so that he/she understands that we can no longer differentiate between an Israelite and a gentile. God is using some people to help us learn the true meaning of Torah and we should trust that it is God’s work for some good reason.

HARK! · Mar 28, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
That was for the Israelites, not the Gentile converts.

Yahshua was commissioned only for the lost sheep of Israel.

YHWH renewed his covenant with Israel.

There are some people who seem to believe that in the times of Noah; that they could have built their own ark and been saved.

Cribstyl · Mar 28, 2020

You're right Bob, God is a covenant God.
Within God's covenants, it is written what God requires of every generation.
Under the Adamic covenant God told Adam to be vegetarian.
Gen 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

Under the Noahatic Covenant God added meat.
Gen 9:3“Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.

Being a vegetarian does have it's benefits, but should I argue against eating meat?
My point is this, we're under the new covenant. Know your covenant.
We're considered righteous if we do what God requires of us.
Here what God established as righteousness under the Mosaic Covenant
Deu 6:24 And the LORD commanded us to observe all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that He might preserve us alive, as it is this day.
Deu 6:25‘ Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us.’

Here what God establish as righteousness under the new covenant
Rom 3:21
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

Those who are under the law are in bondage to keep the law. They will often use scripture that don't apply to your covenant.
Pointing to scripture before Christ died on the cross can create false teachings.

expos4ever · Mar 28, 2020

Cribstyl said:
Pointing to scripture before Christ died on the cross can create false teachings.

I agree. Some people seem to forget that God's grand plan of redemption is an evolving narrative - just look at Paul's writings - he clearly believes that, in a fundamental sense, everything change at the Cross. And one of the things that changed was the Law of Moses - Paul clearly sees it as having been set aside.

BrotherD · Mar 28, 2020

expos4ever said:
Paul is quite clear - the Law of Moses has been set aside:

But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code

Just because we, the church, are a people "set apart", just like Israel was, does not necessarily mean that what set Israel apart (the Law of Moses) is the same thing that sets us apart. In fact, there is strong Biblical evidence that it is the Holy Spirit, and not the Law of Moses, that marks out the Christian.

The law of Moses which is the law that God gave unto him on the mount, with the statues and ordinances are still enforce. What God cursed then, he still curses now:

Deuteronomy 27:15-26
[15]Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.
[16]Cursed be he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[17]Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[18]Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[19]Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[20]Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[21]Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[22]Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[23]Cursed be he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[24]Cursed be he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[25]Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[26]Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Do you or do you not agree? Why?

expos4ever · Mar 28, 2020

BrotherD said:
The law of Moses which is the law that God gave unto him on the mount, with the statues and ordinances are still enforce. What God cursed then, he still curses now:

Deuteronomy 27:15-26
[15]Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.
[16]Cursed be he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[17]Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[18]Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[19]Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[20]Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[21]Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[22]Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[23]Cursed be he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[24]Cursed be he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[25]Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
[26]Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Do you or do you not agree? Why?

I disagree. Here you present no evidence at all that the Law of Moses is still in force - you merely claim that it is, and then list a Biblical text that in no way demonstrates that the Law is still in force; all your text shows is that, when the Law is actually in force, it should be obeyed. No one is denying this.

What do you have to say about the Romans 7 text where Paul says we no longer serve "according to the written code"?

BrotherD · Mar 28, 2020

Bob S said:
Scripture that backs up your statement please. Here I thought we are now under the new and better covenant.

IF you keep my covenant. They didn't

Not quite the same statement. No "If' in that statement. Believe in the one who sent Me and love one another as I have loved you and we ~~become~~ are part of the chosen generation...... No "ifs" in the new covenant.

God does not change, the same commandments, statutes and ordinances they had to follow back then is the same for us. As stated earlier we do no animal sacrifice because Christ is our one time sacrifice:

Hebrews 9:28
[28]So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Christ said:
Matthew 5:17-18
[17]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Christ is fulfilling the old testament High Priest role:

Hebrews 3:1 KJV — Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

The High Priest has a role to do and it all ties into the law of old; see Leviticus 16.

The new covenant is the old covenant law written on the heart.

expos4ever · Mar 28, 2020

BrotherD said:
God does not change,

Agreed.

BrotherD said:
....the same commandments, statutes and ordinances they had to follow back then is the same for us.

No, this does not follow logically from the fact that God does not change. People will know this - it is obvious: an unchanging God can, obviously, undertake a plan of redemption that contains different stages, or phases. And this is what Scripture clearly shows.

BrotherD · Mar 28, 2020

expos4ever said:
This very Biblical text you provide demonstrates that, in fact, the Law of Moses is no more:

For he is our peace, who hath made BOTH one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us

What is this "wall" that has been destroyed?

Why the Law of Moses, of course.

If the law of moses is no more then what law do we follow?

Remember ye the Law of Moses

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