I think you didn't read this entire thread.Two entirely different things. Don’t play dumb.
I don't like to play dumb...
usually I play smart...
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I think you didn't read this entire thread.Two entirely different things. Don’t play dumb.
OK.It seems to me that the fundamental, most signficant quality of a sacrament is that it is a means by which we receive supernatural grace, and if it's valid then it does that.
A phoned-in confession is not valid.
I'm pretty sure that it has to do with a lack of physical presence. But the Church says that it's not, and that's good enough for me because Jesus gave her the authority to say so.Why is a phoned in confession not valid?
I suggest studying the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I also recommend a book entitled "Frequent Confession: It's Place in the Spirituall Life", by Benedict Baur.Exactly what kind of grace is received at confession?
Like at a fast-food window where someone hands you your food? Yes.Can a mortal sin be forgiven either in a drive-thru
Asked and answered.or a phone confession?
There is no phone confession.OK.
I'll ask:
Why is a phoned in confession not valid?
Can't God bestow supernatural grace any way He wants to?
Exactly what kind of grace is received at confession?
Can a mortal sin be forgiven either in a drive-thru or a phone confession?
Chilehed,I'm pretty sure that it has to do with a lack of physical presence. But the Church says that it's not, and that's good enough for me because Jesus gave her the authority to say so.
I suggest studying the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I also recommend a book entitled "Frequent Confession: It's Place in the Spirituall Life", by Benedict Baur.
Like at a fast-food window where someone hands you your food? Yes.
Asked and answered.
There is no physical presence. That’s required of both the penitent and the priest for a confession to be valid is my understanding.Why not?
What's wrong with it?
I know Mitchie...There is no physical presence. That’s required of both the penitent and the priest for a confession to be valid is my understanding.
I think he might be on vacation and can’t answer right now.I know Mitchie...
I was trying to get the other member to think this over
.....I don't care for drive thru confessions. I think you must surely know about a confession of contriteness (I can't think what it's called right now).
IOW, one can confess to God and go to confession after when it becomes possible, if this is NECESSARY. Even a mortal sin can be confessed in this manner.
To say nothing of the fact that venial sins don't even need to be confessed except for the requirement that one goes to confession at least once per year and PREFERABLY at Easter time, and this is what some folk wait for....these are usually the ones that never go to Mass anyway.
Confession is not about "who" forgives sins. God forgives and that is not disputed by anyone.I suppose the primary issue is not where, but who. Who is actually hearing your confession and does He have the power to forgive your sins?
I John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Confession is not about "who" forgives sins. God forgives and that is not disputed by anyone.
Confession is about advice, reassurance, help, and hearing. Hearing the assurance of God's forgiveness.
James 5:14-16 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.
When I do that kind of passive-aggressive nonsense it's a sign that I haven't been taking adequate care of my own spiritual condition. Perhaps you need to shut down your computer for a while.Chilehed,
It always amazes me how people assume things.
Like YOU assumed I was asking questions to learn the answer. Actually, I was asking them to see if YOU knew the answer.
Asking questions without listening to the answers is another sign of it.As to the grace question...what we receive at confession is Actual Grace...help to not sin.
You still didn't answer.When I do that kind of passive-aggressive nonsense it's a sign that I haven't been taking adequate care of my own spiritual condition. Perhaps you need to shut down your computer for a while.
Asking questions without listening to the answers is another sign of it.
Sure.
But Catholics don't agree.
I happen to know Catholic doctrine, but I'm not catholic in theology.Do Catholics not also agree with Hebrews then? Is the Bible itself not accurate in its depiction of who Christ is?
Food for thought, not an argument. God bless you.
I don't find the pandemic horrifying...
and I live in Italy.
We should take very good care of ourselves, now especially...
but other than that, the time comes to die and it will come.
I find drive thru confessions rather horrifying because it seems to be a cold
procedure and does not have any of the sacramental qualities to it.
Do you approve of it?
Jesus for gave sins because He's God.Jesus and his Apostles forgave sins wherever they were. Jesus forgave a sinful woman’s sins while she wet his feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair.
This deals with The Sacrament of Extreme Unction.James 5:14-16 Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.
Jesus said to the Apostles "whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven." In the Sacrament of confession, the priest forgives sins.Confession is not about "who" forgives sins
Yes, God does forgive sins.God forgives and that is not disputed by anyone.
a nice secular explanation. The Church teaches it is a Sacrament that imparts Sanctifying Grace.Confession is about advice, reassurance, help, and hearing. Hearing the assurance of God's forgiveness.
HiThis deals with The Sacrament of Extreme Unction.
Jesus said to the Apostles "whose sins YOU forgive are forgiven." In the Sacrament of confession, the priest forgives sins.
Yes, God does forgive sins.
a nice secular explanation. The Church teaches it is a Sacrament that imparts Sanctifying Grace.