LDS Are Key LDS teachings derived from the Book of Mormon?

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That is not true. Jesus gave us the requirement to eternal life:

(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Hallelujah! You finally recognize that no one needs LDS scripture!

Jesus gave us the requirement to eternal life: New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28

There is none that understandeth, unless God reveals it to him.
 
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I was looking up a map and this false advertisement popped up:

The Book of Mormon brings you closer to Jesus
"Like the Bible, the Book of Mormon is an ancient record that teaches about Jesus. It answers essential questions that we all have: Is there life after death, what is the purpose of life, and how can I find happiness and peace now? People from all over the world, and from all walks of life, are learning that the Book of Mormon can help us become better people and feel closer to God."

I don't remember the many years I spent in Mormonism as bringing me closer to Jesus because those years made me feel so very far from the true God. And the arrogance displayed in this ad was very bothersome. Mormons aren't better people. And the Book of Mornon was very uninspiring. :(

I believe that the best way to find out is something is true or not is to put a lot of effort into trying to understand it. For instance the Bible, how would a person decide if it is true or not? Can it be proven? What about praying about it? How does God reveal the truth of it? It is written:

(New Testament | James 1:5 - 7)

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

I put literally years of effort into it! When I prayed about it, God told me that it isn't true!

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey
God rather than men.

 
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Our prophet is definitely in tune with things and conditions.

And this prophet as you say is "definitely in tune with things" tells you to judge others?

I know Muslims that are more Christian than some people who call themselves Christians. Jesus knew Samaritans that were more Christian than those who called themselves Christians. The proof is in the fruit. ----He is the Way
 
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If eternal life is your goal then you know what you need to do to get it.

It isn't my goal. My whole life is about honoring God and giving thanks for His gift of eternal life. God can be honored, but eternal life cannot be earned!

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This is what I know because God said so.


Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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The Book of Mormon criticizes the Bible, doesn't attempt to correct the message of the Bible, doesn't teach the multiple LDS requirements for eternal life, doesn't teach that men and women should strive to become gods and goddesses, doesn't teach that males and females need to be baptized for the dead or do any other ordinances for the dead, doesn't say that Mormons should spend countless hours doing genealogical research, doesn't teach that temple marriages are commanded, etc.
 
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And this prophet as you say is "definitely in tune with things" tells you to judge others?

I know Muslims that are more Christian than some people who call themselves Christians. Jesus knew Samaritans that were more Christian than those who called themselves Christians. The proof is in the fruit. ----He is the Way
I have two neighbor families, one Muslim, and one of a Christian church. The Muslims are much more friendly and willing to help when help is needed. Jesus told us about neighbors when He told the parable of the good Samaritan and told what a true neighbor does. I am not condemning the Christians or judging them any more than Jesus judged the people who saw a neighbor in need. I am just stating my observations.
 
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It isn't my goal. My whole life is about honoring God and giving thanks for His gift of eternal life. God can be honored, but eternal life cannot be earned!

This is what I know because God said so.

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The atonement is a gift. Eternal life is not:
(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right:
this do, and thou shalt live.
 
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I have two neighbor families, one Muslim, and one of a Christian church. The Muslims are much more friendly and willing to help when help is needed. Jesus told us about neighbors when He told the parable of the good Samaritan and told what a true neighbor does. I am not condemning the Christians or judging them any more than Jesus judged the people who saw a neighbor in need. I am just stating my observations.
Oh but your pretended to judge, even though you did not say you specifically judged.

I know Muslims that are more Christian than some people who call themselves Christians.---He is the Way

And how can a Muslim be more Christian than a Christian, when he does not follow Christ?

You make absolutely no sense.
 
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The Book of Mormon criticizes the Bible, doesn't attempt to correct the message of the Bible, doesn't teach the multiple LDS requirements for eternal life, doesn't teach that men and women should strive to become gods and goddesses, doesn't teach that males and females need to be baptized for the dead or do any other ordinances for the dead, doesn't say that Mormons should spend countless hours doing genealogical research, doesn't teach that temple marriages are commanded, etc.
The Book of Mormon does teach the plan of salvation. Then if a person wants to do the temple work for their kindred dead they can.
 
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Oh but your pretended to judge, even though you did not say you specifically judged.

I know Muslims that are more Christian than some people who call themselves Christians---He is the Way

And how can a Muslim be more Christian than a Christian, when he does not follow Christ?

You make absolutely no sense.
Not all those who call themselves Christians follow Christ or show their LOVE of their neighbor. Jesus Christ pointed that out. The Samaritans were not Christians yet the good Samaritan was living a more Christlike life of LOVE than those who claimed to be religious.
 
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Not all those who call themselves Christians follow Christ or show their LOVE of their neighbor. Jesus Christ pointed that out. The Samaritans were not Christians yet the good Samaritan was living a more Christlike life of LOVE than those who claimed to be religious.
You have not answered the question I posed from an earlier post.

I know Muslims that are more Christian than some people who call themselves Christians.---He is the Way

And how can a Muslim be more Christian than a Christian, when he does not follow Christ?
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The atonement is a gift. Eternal life is not:
(New Testament | Luke 10:25 - 28)

25 ¶ And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right:
this do, and thou shalt live.

Only Christians will have eternal life. No one receives the atonement without having eternal life which is a gift! I already gave you the Bible verse; maybe you should read it again.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

We love Him because He
first loved us!

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


John 3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

1 John 5
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
 
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You have not answered the question I posed from an earlier post.

I know Muslims that are more Christian than some people who call themselves Christians.---He is the Way

And how can a Muslim be more Christian than a Christian, when he does not follow Christ?
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Samaritans were not Christian yet their actions were. It comes down to not hearing the word only but being a doer of the word. The Samaritans actually listened to their conscience and did what was right. It is important to DO the right thing and not just hear what should be done. When people hear the commandments of LOVE they should keep them.
 
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Samaritans were not Christian yet their actions were. It comes down to not hearing the word only but being a doer of the word. The Samaritans actually listened to their conscience and did what was right. It is important to DO the right thing and not just hear what should be done. When people hear the commandments of LOVE they should keep them.

I asked specifically about Muslims. but if you want to avoid what you first said and will not defend--I will understand.
 
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Only Christians will have eternal life. No one receives the atonement without having eternal life which is a gift! I already gave you the Bible verse; maybe you should read it again.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

We love Him because He first loved us!

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


John 3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


1 John 5
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
You said: "Only Christians will have eternal life."

Actually only TRUE Christians will have eternal life, the ones who LOVE Jesus Christ and keep His commandments. Those are the TRUE believers.

(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 9)

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

 
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The Book of Mormon does teach the plan of salvation. Then if a person wants to do the temple work for their kindred dead they can.

The plan of salvation is the fulness of the gospel. It includes the Creation, the Fall, the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and all the laws, ordinances, and doctrines of the gospel. Moral agency, the ability to choose and act for ourselves, is also essential in Heavenly Father’s plan. Because of this plan, we can be perfected through the Atonement, receive a fulness of joy, and live forever in the presence of God. Our family relationships can last throughout the eternities.
Plan of Salvation

The Atonement of Jesus Christ assures each of us that we will be resurrected and live forever. But if we are to live forever with our families in Heavenly Father’s presence, we must do all that the Savior commands us to do. This includes being baptized and confirmed and receiving the ordinances of the temple.
Chapter 40: Temple Work and Family History

D&C 128:14-18 Why is Baptism for the Dead Such an Important Gospel Principle?
The Prophet Joseph Smith expounded three essential gospel principles:
1. The salvation of an individual's dead ancestors is "essential to our salvation," that is, one's life is inextricably intertwined with his ancestors' lives, for he cannot become perfect without them nor they without him (D&C 128:15)...
Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, p. 317

The Book of Mormon does not teach the Mormon requirements for eternal life.

"One of the most distinctive doctrines of Mormonism is the belief in a plurality of Gods. This is generally understood to mean that there are innumerable Gods besides (and above) the God that we worship, all of whom are creators of worlds and objects of worship. Furthermore, these Gods were all once human, and just as they attained Godhood, so can we.”
Prof. Charles Harrell, “This is my Doctrine”: The Development of Mormon Theology, p. 114

3 Nephi 11:27
And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one.

3 Nephi 28:10
And for this cause ye shall have fulness of joy; and ye shall sit down in the kingdom of my Father; yea, your joy shall be full, even as the Father hath given me fulness of joy; and ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father; and the Father and I are one;

The BoM does not tell you what you must do to become like like Jesus or the Father.
 
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I have two neighbor families, one Muslim, and one of a Christian church. The Muslims are much more friendly and willing to help when help is needed. Jesus told us about neighbors when He told the parable of the good Samaritan and told what a true neighbor does. I am not condemning the Christians or judging them any more than Jesus judged the people who saw a neighbor in need. I am just stating my observations.

So you made a mistake at first when you clamed:

I know Muslims that are more Christian than some people who call themselves Christians.---He is the Way

Now for future reference:
I really could care less about your very limited observations bout which Faiht Group is dong what.

You want to defend your Church then------- Defend it.

Is that now what this forum is for?
 
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You said: "Only Christians will have eternal life."

Actually only TRUE Christians will have eternal life, the ones who LOVE Jesus Christ and keep His commandments. Those are the TRUE believers.

Christians are followers of Jesus. Christians are His sheep and we have eternal life. We love Him because He first loved us.

John 10: 22-28
22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
 
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The plan of salvation is the fulness of the gospel. It includes the Creation, the Fall, the Atonement of Jesus Christ, and all the laws, ordinances, and doctrines of the gospel. Moral agency, the ability to choose and act for ourselves, is also essential in Heavenly Father’s plan. Because of this plan, we can be perfected through the Atonement, receive a fulness of joy, and live forever in the presence of God. Our family relationships can last throughout the eternities.
Plan of Salvation

The Atonement of Jesus Christ assures each of us that we will be resurrected and live forever. But if we are to live forever with our families in Heavenly Father’s presence, we must do all that the Savior commands us to do. This includes being baptized and confirmed and receiving the ordinances of the temple.

Chapter 40: Temple Work and Family History

D&C 128:14-18 Why is Baptism for the Dead Such an Important Gospel Principle?
The Prophet Joseph Smith expounded three essential gospel principles:
1. The salvation of an individual's dead ancestors is "essential to our salvation," that is, one's life is inextricably intertwined with his ancestors' lives, for he cannot become perfect without them nor they without him (D&C 128:15)...
Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, p. 317

The Book of Mormon does not teach the Mormon requirements for eternal life.

"One of the most distinctive doctrines of Mormonism is the belief in a plurality of Gods. This is generally understood to mean that there are innumerable Gods besides (and above) the God that we worship, all of whom are creators of worlds and objects of worship. Furthermore, these Gods were all once human, and just as they attained Godhood, so can we.”
Prof. Charles Harrell, “This is my Doctrine”: The Development of Mormon Theology, p. 114

3 Nephi 11:27
And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one.

3 Nephi 28:10
And for this cause ye shall have fulness of joy; and ye shall sit down in the kingdom of my Father; yea, your joy shall be full, even as the Father hath given me fulness of joy; and ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father; and the Father and I are one;

The BoM does not tell you what you must do to become like like Jesus or the Father.
The Book of Mormon does tell us what we must do to become like Jesus and the Father:

(Book of Mormon | Alma 34:30 - 41)

30 And now, my brethren, I would that, after ye have received so many witnesses, seeing that the holy scriptures testify of these things, ye come forth and bring fruit unto repentance.
31 Yea, I would that ye would come forth and harden not your hearts any longer; for behold, now is the time and the day of your salvation; and therefore, if ye will repent and harden not your hearts, immediately shall the great plan of redemption be brought about unto you.
32 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.
33 And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed.
34 Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world.
35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.
36 And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell; yea, and he has also said that the righteous shall sit down in his kingdom, to go no more out; but their garments should be made white through the blood of the Lamb.
37 And now, my beloved brethren, I desire that ye should remember these things, and that ye should work out your salvation with fear before God, and that ye should no more deny the coming of Christ;
38 That ye contend no more against the Holy Ghost, but that ye receive it, and take upon you the name of Christ; that ye humble yourselves even to the dust, and worship God, in whatsoever place ye may be in, in spirit and in truth; and that ye live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon you.
39 Yea, and I also exhort you, my brethren, that ye be watchful unto prayer continually, that ye may not be led away by the temptations of the devil, that he may not overpower you, that ye may not become his subjects at the last day; for behold, he rewardeth you no good thing.
40 And now my beloved brethren, I would exhort you to have patience, and that ye bear with all manner of afflictions; that ye do not revile against those who do cast you out because of your exceeding poverty, lest ye become sinners like unto them;
41 But that ye have patience, and bear with those afflictions, with a firm hope that ye shall one day rest from all your afflictions.
(Book of Mormon | Alma 42:2 - 31)

2 Now behold, my son, I will explain this thing unto thee. For behold, after the Lord God sent our first parents forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground, from whence they were taken—yea, he drew out the man, and he placed at the east end of the garden of Eden, cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the tree of life—
3 Now, we see that the man had become as God, knowing good and evil; and lest he should put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever, the Lord God placed cherubim and the flaming sword, that he should not partake of the fruit—
4 And thus we see, that there was a time granted unto man to repent, yea, a probationary time, a time to repent and serve God.
5 For behold, if Adam had put forth his hand immediately, and partaken of the tree of life, he would have lived forever, according to the word of God, having no space for repentance; yea, and also the word of God would have been void, and the great plan of salvation would have been frustrated.
6 But behold, it was appointed unto man to die—therefore, as they were cut off from the tree of life they should be cut off from the face of the earth—and man became lost forever, yea, they became fallen man.
7 And now, ye see by this that our first parents were cut off both temporally and spiritually from the presence of the Lord; and thus we see they became subjects to follow after their own will.
8 Now behold, it was not expedient that man should be reclaimed from this temporal death, for that would destroy the great plan of happiness.
9 Therefore, as the soul could never die, and the fall had brought upon all mankind a spiritual death as well as a temporal, that is, they were cut off from the presence of the Lord, it was expedient that mankind should be reclaimed from this spiritual death.
10 Therefore, as they had become carnal, sensual, and devilish, by nature, this probationary state became a state for them to prepare; it became a preparatory state.
11 And now remember, my son, if it were not for the plan of redemption, (laying it aside) as soon as they were dead their souls were miserable, being cut off from the presence of the Lord.
12 And now, there was no means to reclaim men from this fallen state, which man had brought upon himself because of his own disobedience;
13 Therefore, according to justice, the plan of redemption could not be brought about, only on conditions of repentance of men in this probationary state, yea, this preparatory state; for except it were for these conditions, mercy could not take effect except it should destroy the work of justice. Now the work of justice could not be destroyed; if so, God would cease to be God.
14 And thus we see that all mankind were fallen, and they were in the grasp of justice; yea, the justice of God, which consigned them forever to be cut off from his presence.
15 And now, the plan of mercy could not be brought about except an atonement should be made; therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also.
16 Now, repentance could not come unto men except there were a punishment, which also was eternal as the life of the soul should be, affixed opposite to the plan of happiness, which was as eternal also as the life of the soul.
17 Now, how could a man repent except he should sin? How could he sin if there was no law? How could there be a law save there was a punishment?
18 Now, there was a punishment affixed, and a just law given, which brought remorse of conscience unto man.
19 Now, if there was no law given—if a man murdered he should die—would he be afraid he would die if he should murder?
20 And also, if there was no law given against sin men would not be afraid to sin.
21 And if there was no law given, if men sinned what could justice do, or mercy either, for they would have no claim upon the creature?
22 But there is a law given, and a punishment affixed, and a repentance granted; which repentance, mercy claimeth; otherwise, justice claimeth the creature and executeth the law, and the law inflicteth the punishment; if not so, the works of justice would be destroyed, and God would cease to be God.
23 But God ceaseth not to be God, and mercy claimeth the penitent, and mercy cometh because of the atonement; and the atonement bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead; and the resurrection of the dead bringeth back men into the presence of God; and thus they are restored into his presence, to be judged according to their works, according to the law and justice.
24 For behold, justice exerciseth all his demands, and also mercy claimeth all which is her own; and thus, none but the truly penitent are saved.
25 What, do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say unto you, Nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God.
26 And thus God bringeth about his great and eternal purposes, which were prepared from the foundation of the world. And thus cometh about the salvation and the redemption of men, and also their destruction and misery.
27 Therefore, O my son, whosoever will come may come and partake of the waters of life freely; and whosoever will not come the same is not compelled to come; but in the last day it shall be restored unto him according to his deeds.
28 If he has desired to do evil, and has not repented in his days, behold, evil shall be done unto him, according to the restoration of God.
29 And now, my son, I desire that ye should let these things trouble you no more, and only let your sins trouble you, with that trouble which shall bring you down unto repentance.
30 O my son, I desire that ye should deny the justice of God no more. Do not endeavor to excuse yourself in the least point because of your sins, by denying the justice of God; but do you let the justice of God, and his mercy, and his long-suffering have full sway in your heart; and let it bring you down to the dust in humility.
31 And now, O my son, ye are called of God to preach the word unto this people. And now, my son, go thy way, declare the word with truth and soberness, that thou mayest bring souls unto repentance, that the great plan of mercy may have claim upon them. And may God grant unto you even according to my words. Amen.
 
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