WHY THE LAW IS A PART OF THE GOSPEL

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Hello @LoveGodsWord, I agree with most everything you just said, but I'm still not sure about the difference between our being "obedient to God's word" (as the ~fruit~ of our salvation) on the one hand, and our need to believe AND "follow God's word" ~in order to be saved~ on the other? IOW, what is the difference between "obeying" and "following" God's word in regards to our salvation, and that whether it concerns coming to saving faith (justification) or remaining saved (perseverance/sanctification)?

Thanks :)

--David

I believe simply, believing Gods Word leads to obedience through the Spirit. It is God's work in all those who believe the creative power of God's Word. More on this latter when I get some more time. Obedience to God's Word is following God's Word as we believe it becomes so not because of us but because of God's work in us.

God bless
 
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The "bad news" is we live in a completely fallen world .... the GOOD news is it's (this world) is not going to last forever and those who accept the Lord will receive eternal life in a new and perfect world He will create.

Jesus is the remedy!

Absolutely eleos. He creates in us a new heart in exactly the same way he created all things through His Spirit in those who believe His Word.

God bless
 
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Hello @eleos1954 et @LoveGodsWord, you are both correct, of course, but I was thinking more along these lines.

To begin with, the "news" from God is this, we must be holy, IOW, we must be perfectly innocent and perfectly righteous to stand in His presence.

So then, the "bad news" is? (for all of us who are by nature, children of wrath / transgressors of the law / dead in our trespasses and sins .. e.g. Ephesians 2:1-3; James 2:10-11)

Thanks :)

--David
 
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Stand in his presence or be willing enough to let Him work through us here without interfering with His will?
Hello Timothy, are you saying that there is something that the Father can do for us in the here and now (if we are willing) that will eliminate our need for His Son (as our Savior) and allow us to stand in His holy presence in the age to come apart from Him (IOW, apart from His shed blood and death on the Cross as the atoning sacrifice for our sins, apart from the righteous life that He lived on our behalf before His Father, and apart from His Resurrection)?

Thanks!

—David
 
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4. IS GOD'S LAW ABOLISHED OR ESTABLISHED IN THE GOSPEL?

Sin is defined in the scriptures as “unbelief” *ROMANS 14:23 and breaking anyone of God’s 10 Commandments *1 JOHN 3:4; and if we break any one of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11 and the wages of sin is death but the good news is that we have a Savior that loves us so much that he died the death that we deserve to die to redeem us not only from sins penalty (death) but from sins power to free us to walk in newness of life *ROMANS 6:23; JOHN 8:31-36. ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 6. 1 JOHN 3:6-9.

God’s salvation promise to those who believe God’s Word is a new heart to love, a new life to live as we are born again to walk in His Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:4. We need God’s salvation from the inside out because we do not love as God first loved us *JOHN 5:42 and all we can do without JESUS is sin because this is our nature apart from God *ROMANS 7:1-24; ROMANS 3:9-18; ISAIAH 1:5-6; JEREMIAH 13:23; JOHN 15:5.

We need to be born again as righteousness is from the inside out. As shown earlier we have a sinful nature..

MATTHEW 12:34-35 [34], O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

JEREMIAH 13:23 [23], Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may you also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

JEREMIAH 17:9-10 [9], The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? [10], I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

MATTHEW 15:19-20 [19], For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: [20], These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashed hands defiles not a man.

JOHN 5:42 But I know you, that you have not the love of God in you.

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We break God's Commandments [SIN] because we do not LOVE. Yep looks like we have a broken heart that needs fixing as there is no LOVE in us without Jesus.

MATTHEW 5:20 is interesting because on the OUTSIDE the Scribes and Pharisees as JESUS taught appeared righteous to men. Outwardly blameless in regards to following God's 10 commandments but INWARDLY JESUS says they were full of SIN (breaking God's LAW) *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *MATTHEW 5:20.

The scripture in ISAIAH 42:21 was posted to show that JESUS came to teach the true meaning of God's LAW and that is it is to be applied to the ISIDE OUT not for OUT SIDE IN appearance to appear rightouess to men but inwardly full of SIN. God reads the HEART and KNOWS we are all sick with SIN *MATTHEW 15:19-20; MATTHEW 12:34-35; JEREMIAH 13:23; JEREMIAH 17:9-10; MATTHEW 15:19-20; JOHN 5:42 and in need of a Savior from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here MATTHEW 9:12-13.

This is leading to the NEW COVENANT PROMISE of a NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 5:42; 1 JOHN 5:17-19; 1 JOHN 4:16; 1 JOHN 5:3; 1 JOHN 4:8.

We do not have the LOVE of GOD in us *JOHN 5:42. We need to be BORN OF GOD to LOVE *1 JOHN 4:7 and partake of the NEW COVENANT promise. This is why JESUS teaches in *JOHN 3:3-7 that UNLESS we are made CLEAN from the INSIDE OUT and BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. This is what JESUS is talking about in MATTHEW 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's LAW from the INSIDE OUT.

Whosoever is BORN of GOD to LOVE in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12 does not commit SIN *1 JOHN 3:9; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 3:31; MATTHEW 22:36-40. This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospels in the NEW COVENANT we have a SAVIOUR to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

1 JOHN 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are BORN AGAIN to LOVE and it is LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. This results in a people that keep God's LAW (10 commandments) from the INSIDE OUT. *REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12. Unless we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7.

So what the conclusion of the matter

ECCLESIASTES 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR GOD, AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN.

God’s LAW (10 commandments) are not abolished they are fulfilled and established in the life of a believer as they believe God’s Word and abide in Christ and walk in God’s Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:4.

To be continued……
 
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As shown in the previous post and scriptures we need to be changed from the INSIDE OUT. Indeed LOVE is EXPRESSED through God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) as JESUS says;

MATTHEW 22:36-40 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38], This is the first and great commandment. [39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. [40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.Indeed brother UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN (Breaking any one of God's 10 commandments).

1 JOHN 5:17-18 [17] ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN: and there is a sin not to death.
[18], WE KNOW THAT WHOEVER IS BORN OF GOD SINS NOT; but he that is begotten of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touches him not.

1 JOHN 3:4 [4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

and again;

JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

OBEDIENCE to God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) through faith that works by LOVE is how RIGHTEOUSNESS is expressed.

PSALMS 119:172 [172] My tongue shall speak of your word: for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTOUESNESS.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

ROMANS 3:31, Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

and is why JESUS says;

MATTHEW 22:36-40 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38], This is the first and great commandment. [39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. [40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

and why JOHN says;

2 JOHN 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

and again here;

1 JOHN 5:2-3 [2], BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS [3], FOR THE IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.

and is why it is written;

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

1 JOHN 3:6 WHOSOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM

1 JOHN 3:9 [9], WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 JOHN 5:18 [18] We know that WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD SINS NOT; but he that is begotten of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touches him not.

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], FOR NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST BEFORE GOD BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED.

and why JESUS says;

JOHN 14:15 [15] IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS

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Now if LOVE is the very expression of OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10 and God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the very definition of what RIGHTOUESNESS is *PSALMS 119:172, and to break any one of God's 10 commandments is SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. How can you LOVE GOD and your NEIGHBOR as yourself, if we have no LOVE and break God's Commandments which ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS HANG *MATTHEW 22:36-40?

Unless we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE from the INSIDE OUT we are only like dead mans bones and all we can do without JESUS is SIN *1 JOHN 3:4.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOUR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbour...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not murder
* We will not commit adultery with our neighbour's spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his seventh day Sabbath and keep it holy.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] says JESUS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS *MATTHEW 22:36-40.

God’s LAW (10 commandments) is established through the gospel in the life of a believer as they believe God’s Word and abide in Christ and walk in God’s Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:4. God's LAW (10 commandments) are never abolished they are the eternal LAW of GOD written on stone and transferred to the fleshly tables of the heart in God's new covenant promise to love *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 2 CORINTHIANS 3:3

May you receive God's Word and be blessed. This is God's good news and promise of salvation and a new heart to love God and our fellow man in all those who believe and follow Gods' Word.

God bless
 
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Hello Timothy, are you saying that there is something that the Father can do for us in the here and now (if we are willing) that will eliminate our need for His Son (as our Savior) and allow us to stand in His holy presence in the age to come apart from Him (IOW, apart from His shed blood and death on the Cross as the atoning sacrifice for our sins, apart from the righteous life that He lived on our behalf before His Father, and apart from His Resurrection)?
The Kingdom is for those who allow Him to work through us in the here and now.
 
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WHY THE LAW IS A PART OF THE GOSPEL
The Law you are referring to, laws of the old covenant, are not part of the Gospel. The Royal Law of Love, Love others As Jesus loves us is part of the Gospel. Our new covenant law covers every wrong thing we could ever do to God and our fellow man, not just nine laws of the old covenant ten commandments.
 
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WHY THE LAW IS A PART OF THE GOSPEL
The Law you are referring to, laws of the old covenant, are not part of the Gospel. The Royal Law of Love, Love others As Jesus loves us is part of the Gospel. Our new covenant law covers every wrong thing we could ever do to God and our fellow man, not just nine laws of the old covenant ten commandments.

Not really Bob, the Royal law is love and as JESUS says on these two great commandments of love to God and love to man hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. It is only by receiving a new heart to love that God's LAW is establsihed in the lives (written on the heart) of those who believe and follow Gods' Word *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10; HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Hope this helps.
 
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Hello @eleos1954 et @LoveGodsWord, you are both correct, of course, but I was thinking more along these lines.

To begin with, the "news" from God is this, we must be holy, IOW, we must be perfectly innocent and perfectly righteous to stand in His presence.

So then, the "bad news" is? (for all of us who are by nature, children of wrath / transgressors of the law / dead in our trespasses and sins .. e.g. Ephesians 2:1-3; James 2:10-11)

Thanks :)

--David

Hi David, we are to grow in Grace. When we are babes we do not know much about anything but we as new born christians believing the sincere milk of the Word of God we believe in and accept God's forgiveness for our sins (justification by the blood of JESUS).

AS we grow in the knowledge of our Lord JESUS Christ (the Word of God) we learn more about ourselves and how to follow JESUS and walk in His Spirit. The scriptures here are applicable in that God only holds us accountable for what we know not what we do not know *JAMES 4:17 and in times of ignorance God winks at until he gives us a knowledge of the truth at which time he calls us to believe and follow His Word *ACTS 17:30-31. At this point or step (many steps to sanctification) we must choose to believe God's Word and follow him or reject God's Word and continue in sin.

These scriptures and the process of sanctification shows that there are two types of sins within a believers life as we grow in God's Grace. 1. Known sins that God reveals to us and we repent and forsake in order to follow God and 2. unknown sins which are the thing we still have no knowledge of until God teaches us *JAMES 4:17; ACTS 17:30-31.

Now as we grow in God's Grace (sanctification) and God reveals His Word to us and we choose to reject it and continue in sin at this point the scriptures teach that unknown sin becomes known *ACTS 17:30-31 and if we reject Gods' Word in order to continue in sin there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin (justification) but a fearful looking forward to of the judgment to come because when we reject Gods' Word in order to continue in sin we reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God *HEBREWS 10:26-39; ROMANS 6:23.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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I believe simply, believing Gods Word leads to obedience through the Spirit. It is God's work in all those who believe the creative power of God's Word. More on this latter when I get some more time. Obedience to God's Word is following God's Word as we believe it becomes so not because of us but because of God's work in us.

God bless
Yep, Greek thinking faith and believing is a thought process only. Hebrews think faith and believing are found in action. So when scripture says "believe" it isn't just a nod in that direction, it is an embodiment with the context of living it. Take Abraham:
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

In this verse, it has often been contrued that that is all Abraham did. But in reading carefully around this situation, it took action on Abraham's part to reveal his "believe" and that is what counted as righteousness. There are many more examples that look like greek theology, read like greek theology, but when read with the Hebrew mindset, it becomes clear that actions speak louder than words.
 
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Yep, Greek thinking faith and believing is a thought process only. Hebrews think faith and believing are found in action. So when scripture says "believe" it isn't just a nod in that direction, it is an embodiment with the context of living it. Take Abraham:
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

In this verse, it has often been contrued that that is all Abraham did. But in reading carefully around this situation, it took action on Abraham's part to reveal his "believe" and that is what counted as righteousness. There are many more examples that look like greek theology, read like greek theology, but when read with the Hebrew mindset, it becomes clear that actions speak louder than words.

Yep good post brother visionary. The Greek language applied to context actually provides the same general meaning as the Hebrew which is application to believing in the present tense that leads to following. I think it is our English understanding where the confusion lies. I had a prayerful look at this some time ago asking for God's guidence and claiming His promises *JOHN 14:26 etc and this is what I found in my time in Gods' Word which matches what JAMES says in JAMES 2:18-20-26 looking at the application of what it means to have faith, believe and not to believe...

G4102 Πίστις; pistis word use; OF; TO; THE; ASSURANCE; BELIEF; FEDELITY; From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence ; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

G4100 πιστεύω; pisteuō word use is to BELIEVE; TRUST; DO NOT BELIEVE; DID NOT; COMMITTED; Greek word meaning pisteuō From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit ; by implication to entrust (especially one's spiritual well being to Christ): - believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

Example JOHN 3:15-16 GREEK applications

ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 3:15-16 (SBLGNT)15 ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων ἐν αὐτῷ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον. 16 Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλὰ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.

To believe translated here is in the present tense verb of doing belief and can be translated; as BELIEVE (present tense), CONTINUING TO BELIEVE AND ACTIVELY BELIEVING. The original Greek translation is given in the Youngs Literal Translation of the Greek words

John 3:15-16 (YLT)15 that every one who is BELIEVING in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is BELIEVING in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

The continuing nature of SAVING FAITH is underscored by the use of the present tense of the Greek verb pisteuō (“believe”) throughout the gospel of John (cf. 3:15-18, 36; 5:24; 6:35, 40; 7:38; 11:25-26; 12:44, 46; 20:31; also Acts 10:43; 13:39; Romans 1:16; 3:22; 4:5; 9:33; 10:4, 10-11). If believing were a one-time act, the Greek tense in those verses would be aorist. Saving faith therefore is always present tense in doing what God's Word says.

In fact, the most famous verse in the entire Bible uses a present tense verb that may be translated, “WHOEVER CONTINUES BELIEVING IN HIM” MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

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Other Greek words translated as "BELIEVE" "BELIEVING; NOT BELIEVING; DISBELIEF; DISOBEDIENCE; UNBELIEF and their application are provided here..

G4103 πιστός; pistos word use FAITHFUL; BELIEVING; (active faith present tense) From G3982; objectively trustworthy ; subjectively trustful: - believe (-ing, -r), faithful (-ly), sure, true.

G544 ἀπειθέω; apeitheō word use is to BELIEVE NOT; DO NOT BELIEVE; DO NOT OBEY; DISOBEDIENT; UNBELIEVING; OBEY NOT; Greek word meaning is apeitheō From G545; to disbelieve (wilfully and perversely): - not believe, disobedient, obey not, unbelieving.

G543 ἀπείθεια; apeitheia word use is UNBELIEF; DISOBEDIENCE Greek word meaning ἀπείθεια; apeitheia From G545; disbelief (obstinate and rebellious): - disobedience, unbelief.

G570 ἀπιστία; word use use is UNBELIEF; DISOBEDIENCE Greek word meaning ἀπιστία; G570 apistia; From G571; faithlessness, that is, (negatively) disbelief (want of Christian faith), or (positively) unfaithfulness (disobedience): - unbelief.

G545 ἀπειθής; apeithēs word use is to be DISOBEDIENT Greek word meaning G545 ἀπειθής; apeithēs From G1 (as a negative particle) and G3982; unpersuadable, that is, contumacious: - disobedient.

G571 ἄπιστος; Apistos word use means to be FAITHLESS; UNBELIEVERS; BELIEVES NOT; UNBELIEVING; THEM THAT DO NOT BELIEVE; Greek word meaning ἄπιστος; Apistos; From G1 (as a negative particle) and G4103; (actively) disbelieving, that is, without Christian faith (specifically a heathen); (passively) untrustworthy (person), or incredible (thing): - that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever (-ing).

A1. To BELIEVE God means to rely upon God's Word to do what it says it will do and and follow what God says!
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G544 SCRIPTURE APPLICATION 17x

HEBREWS 3:18 [18], And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that BELIEVE NOT (G544 ἀπειθέω)? [19], So we see that they could not enter in because of UNBELIEF (G570 ἀπιστία)

To believe not and unbelief means to disobey by not believing to be disobedient the result is shown in the following scripture

JOHN 3:36 [36], He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that BELIEVES NOT (G544 ἀπειθέω) the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

ACTS 14:2 [2], But the UNBELIEVING (G544 ἀπειθέω) Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brothers.

ACTS 17:5 [5], But the Jews which that BELIEVED NOT (G544 ἀπειθέω) moved with envy, took to them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.

ACTS 19:8-9 [8], And he went into the synagogue, and spoke boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. [9], But when some were hardened, and BELIEVED NOT (G544 ἀπειθέω) but spoke evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

ROMANS 2:6-8 [6], Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
[7], To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:[8], But to them that are contentious, and DO NOT OBEY (G544 ἀπειθέω), the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath

ROMANS 10:20-21 [20], But Esaias is very bold, and said, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest to them that asked not after me. [21], But to Israel he said, All day long I have stretched forth my hands to a disobedient DISOBEDIENT (G544 ἀπειθέω) and gainsaying people.

ROMANS 11:30-32 [30], For as you in times past have NOT BELIEVED (G544 ἀπειθέω) God yet have now obtained mercy through their UNBELIEF (G543 ἀπείθεια): [31], Even so have these also now NOT BELIEVED (G544 ἀπειθέω), that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. [32], For God has concluded them all in UNBELIEF (G543 ἀπείθεια), that he might have mercy on all.

ROMANS 15:31 [31], That I may be delivered from them that DO NOT BELIEVE (G544 ἀπειθέω) in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints

HEBREWS 11:31 [31], By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that BELIEVED NOT (G544 ἀπειθέω), when she had received the spies with peace.

2 PETER 2:7 [7], To you therefore which believe he is precious: but to them which be DISOBEDIENT (G544 ἀπειθέω), the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner

1 PETER 3:1 [1], Likewise, you wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any OBEY NOT (G544 ἀπειθέω) the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives

1 PETER 3:20 [20], Which sometime were DISOBEDIENT (G544 ἀπειθέω), when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 PETER 4:17 [17], For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begins at us, what shall the end be of them that OBEY NOT (G544 ἀπειθέω) the gospel of God?

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So as you can see the application of BELIEVE in our English within the scripture context is not just a mental assent but BELIEVE in the Greek is a present tense application to BELIEVING resulting in the action of DOING what God Word says.

God bless.
 
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If you truly want a discussion, then you must avoid posting such long monologues.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts but I guess I LoveGodsWord :). I have never had any trouble having long discussion threads in the past. I believe we either have scripture for our positions or we do not have scripture and God always tells us to be ready to give a reason for the hope that is in us with meekness and fear *2 PETER 3:15. Thanks for sharing your thoughts thought SC.

God bless.
 
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Arr thanks WW. @visionary sorry sis. Nice to see you also WW.

God bless
No problem. You are not the first, probably wont be the last. I have a deep voice and people over the phone are forever calling me Sir.... lol So I get it everywhere except to my face.
 
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Good seein you again LGW. How are things down under?
Arr yes WW bit crazy down this way sometimes. I have been seeing the stragest things. People going hysterically mad buying toilet paper thinking it's going to save them from God's judgements (COVID-19). Funny thing though soon after some of the Oz's started the Japanese started to follow this craze, yet I think 70% of their country uses bidet's where no toilet paper is required. Strange world o_O

God bless and keep safe
 
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