Reopen America or Save American Lives?

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For all the haters wanting to make me seem like a monster for preparing my family, and not trusting 'fellow society'. These are the types of people you need to protect yourselves from. Not someone who uses PPE and follows CDC precautions.



Then you got this guy, who walks down entire isles licking everything in one continuous drag of his tongue. It seems deodorant was his preferred flavor in this video.
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Why oh why would I ever need to 'waste' PPE to go shopping, or use a bleach wipe on the containers of products when I get home from shopping... So wasteful...

There are people that would give you covid-19 because they think it is funny. Stop worrying about how you are going to stop responsible people from going about their business, and figure out how you are going to defend yourself and your family from idiots.

again the issue was you thinking it was better to keep buisnesses open for the economy.

PS what is PPE? I keep hearing you mention it, but not sure I understand the acronym, though I'm sure it's probably something I will face palm after hearing heh.
 
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again the issue was you thinking it was better to keep buisnesses open for the economy.

PS what is PPE? I keep hearing you mention it, but not sure I understand the acronym, though I'm sure it's probably something I will face palm after hearing heh.

Personal Protection Equipment.

I'm trying to get people, to get out off the mindset of this hysterical phase of judging others, and expecting themselves to be safe due to others actions. What I am saying is not even illogical. One must take responsibility for their own actions, and adopt behaviors that will limit their risk. Because other people do not care. Might even try to spread it.

This is not some antichrist like comment that you make it out to be. It is actualy sensible. You personally must accept responsibility for your own life during this pandemic.

Shutting down the government will not stop the spread. If you want to keep safe follow CDC guidelines. It is almost like society wants to be 'made safe', instead of having to actualy do work to keep themselves safe. "It's someone else's fault if I get this". No, no it's not.
 
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Personal Protection Equipment.

I'm trying to get people to get out off the mindset of this hysterical phase of judging others and expecting themselves to be safe due to others actions. What I am saying is not even illogical. One must take responsibility for their own actions, and adopt behaviors that will limit their risk. Because other people do not care. Might even try to spread it.

This is not some antichrist like comment that you make it out to be. It is actualy sensible. You personally must accept responsibility for your own life during this pandemic.

Shutting down the government will not stop the spread. If you want to keep safe follow CDC guidelines. It is almost like society wants to be 'made safe', instead of having to actualy do work to keep themselves safe. "It's someone else's fault if I get this". No, no it's not.

and? if your going out to work kills someone because you get sick and need a hospital bed, and take someones place that needs it too but no room?
 
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This virus is going to kill people. The only people 'at fault' are the idiots I posted above, or the individuals that take no concern in their daily life. If an individual haphazardly walks around like nothing is going on, because in their mind everyone is following rules to keep them from getting sick, they are the issue.


and? if your going out to work kills someone because you get sick and need a hospital bed, and take someones place that needs it too but no room?

This is a ridiculous comment. By this sentiment no one should go to the hospital in fear of taking someone else's place. Anyone who gets sick or needs aid is selfish? And for what reason.. to feed their family? Pay bills? What horrible people. Why would they even care about food, and power at a time like this?

You are making monsters out of normal everday people attempting to survive.
 
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This virus is going to kill people. The only people 'at fault' are the idiots I posted above, or the individuals that take no concern in their daily life. If an individual haphazardly walks around like nothing is going on, because it their mind everyone is following rules to keep them from getting sick, they are the issue.




This is a ridiculous comment. By this sentiment no one should go to the hospital in fear of taking someone else's place. Anyone who gets sick or needs aid is selfish? And for what reason.. to feed their family? Pay bills? What horrible people. Why would they even care about food, and power at a time like this?

You are making monsters out of normal everday people attempting to survive.

There is a difference between going out and catching the virus weeks ago, or being in a job that is at risk, and being at a job that isn't required right now and getting sick because you or the boss think it's more important to make money then keep people healthy.

My point is, going to work and getting the economy up and running right now will cost lives and it's needless because it will hurt the economy too.
 
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My point is, going to work and getting the economy up and running right now will cost lives and it's needless because it will hurt the economy too.

I honestly believe it is more fear of something out of peoples control than reality. Not knockin people, but it is along the lines of people hoarding toilet paper. It gives people a sense of doing something. At least they have that under control. The same could be said about the sense people get being 'safe' now that they are in lockdown. All this is going to do is buy time. It cannot be sustained as a long term solution.

Everything the government does is based on taxation of our economy. We hide in our houses for 6 months and the entire country will grind to a halt. Even after extended lockdown, we will still eventually get the virus because mankind does not have any immunity, and there is (at that point) no longer any federal funding to create a vaccine.
 
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I honestly believe it is more fear of something out of peoples control than reality. Not knockin people, but it is along the lines of people hoarding toilet paper. It gives people a sense of doing something. At least they have that under control. The same could be said about the sense people get being 'safe' now that they are in lockdown. All this is going to do is buy time. It cannot be sustained as a long term solution.

Everything the government does is based on taxation of our economy. We hide in our houses for 6 months and the entire country will grind to a halt. Even after extended lockdown, we will still eventually get the virus because mankind does not have any immunity, and there is (at that point) no longer any federal funding to create a vaccine.

no DUHHh people are still going to get the virus either way, do you seriously not comprehend the point of the quarantine? Maybe thats why you think it's overblown.
 
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no DUHHh people are still going to get the virus either way, do you seriously not comprehend the point of the quarantine? Maybe thats why you think it's overblown.

We are not talking about this quarantine. We are discussing an extended several month, to half a year long shut down. We cannot shut down the country like that. We will be in the stone ages, and every country that hates us will be knocking at our doors.
 
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We are not talking about this quarantine. We are discussing an extended several month, to half a year long shut down. We cannot shut down the country like that. We will be in the stone ages, and every country that hates us will be knocking at our doors.

except many of them are going through the same thing, and do you know what the quarantine/shutdown is for? I would put it as self quaranting.
 
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except many of them are going through the same thing, and do you know what the quarantine/shutdown is for? I would put it as self quaranting.

I said that yesterday and you got mad. People can go self quarantine if they so choose.
 
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do you know why there is the self isolation and such, it appears your clueless as to the reason and why it will kill people if you don't.

You have a habit of bringing other topics into this conversation, and then try to act like not only are they relevant, but I don't understand why they are relevant. We are not talking about self quarantining of the sick or exposed.


We are discussing shutting down the entire country, by an act of the government for up to 6 months. Big difference.
 
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You have a habit of bringing other topics into this conversation, and then try to act like not only are they relevant, but I don't understand why they are relevant. We are not talking about self quarantining of the sick or exposed.


We are discussing shutting down the entire country, by an act of the government for up to 6 months. Big difference.

....because shutting down the country is about the self quarantining and such...ummm do you seriously have no clue what the shutdown is about? Your saying not relevant when they are literally the reason for it.

Why do you think then the goverment is shutting everything down for 6 months?
 
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because shutting down the country is about the self quarantining and such

'Mandated'... is not 'self'...

To shut down the entire country and keep people in their homes would require some sort of controlling force, maybe even martial law, and penalties for breaking the 'law'.

Why do you think then the goverment is shutting everything down for 6 months?

Because that is the time frame people are talking about.

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'Mandated'... is not 'self'...

To shut down the entire country and keep people in their homes would require some sort of controlling force, maybe even martial law, and penalties for breaking the 'law'.



Because that is the time frame people are talking about.

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I'm asking you, what do you think the goverment has shutdown the country for what reason, prevenetive or other is it. Hint it's not the one you said a few messages ago.
 
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I'm asking you, what do you think the goverment has shutdown the country for what reason, prevenetive or other is it. Hint it's not the one you said a few messages ago.

You are conflating topics. I am discussing a prolonged shutdown. I have stated that several times. Several.

Even the OP heading: Reopen America or Save American Lives?
suggests it is now closed and we are talking about it reopening. You keep trying to make this into something it is not to weasle a way out.

The conversation is: do we keep it closed or do we open it back up after the 15 day plan...
 
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You are conflating topics. I am discussing a prolonged shutdown. I have stated that several times. Several.

Even the OP heading: Reopen America or Save American Lives?
suggests it is now closed and we are talking about it reopening. You keep trying to make this into something it is not to weasle a way out.

The conversation is: do we keep it closed or do we open it back up after the 15 day plan...

DO YOU KNOW WHY THE GOVERMENT HAS SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY. that is NOT off topic, because the reason for the shutdown isn't going to change in 2 weeks, heck, were half way there, and it's still growing at a exponential rate. So if it takes 6 months, do you know why? do you know the purpose of shutting it down is because clearly you seem not to know. And guess what you going to your work or such is going to lead to the problem that shutting down the country is trying to avoid. There is a very good reason, and something that re-opening the economy will caiuse, and guess what it could kill you if you go to work and get sick so answer the question.

You can't answer the question of should the goverment re-open the country if your clueless as to why it was shutdown in the first place.
 
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DO YOU KNOW WHY THE GOVERMENT HAS SHUT DOWN THE COUNTRY. that is NOT off topic, because the reason for the shutdown isn't going to change in 2 weeks, heck, were half way there, and it's still growing at a exponential rate. So if it takes 6 months, do you know why? do you know the purpose of shutting it down is because clearly you seem not to know. And guess what you going to your work or such is going to lead to the problem that shutting down the country is trying to avoid. There is a very good reason, and something that re-opening the economy will caiuse, and guess what it could kill you if you go to work and get sick so answer the question.

You can't answer the question of should the goverment re-open the country if your clueless as to why it was shutdown in the first place.

I just do not feel like playing your game of following every topic you present to keep from definitively answering something yourself.

You want 'mandated' martial law implemented, forced quarantine imposed on the entire population of America. Stop using soft squishy words like 'self quarantine'. You are advocating for a complete and systemic shutdown of the entire country. Violate everyone's civil rights, the constitution, and destroy entire industries.

Stop trying to make it all 'nice nice'.

NOT EVEN I WANT TRUMP TO HAVE THAT KIND OF AUTHORITY!!! ARE YOU MAD?!

Which of your rights and civil liberties do you intend to hand over in the next crisis?
 
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I just do not feel like playing your game of following every topic you present to keep from definitively answering something yourself.

You want 'mandated' martial law implemented, forced quarantine imposed on the entire population of America. Stop using soft squishy words like 'self quarantine'. You are advocating for a complete and systemic shutdown of the entire country. Violate everyone's civil rights, the constitution, and destroy entire industries.

Stop trying to make it all 'nice nice'.

NOT EVEN I WANT TRUMP TO HAVE THAT KIND OF AUTHORITY!!! ARE YOU MAD?!

Which of you rights and civil liberties do you intend to hand over in the next crisis?

again do you know WHY it is being done, just answer the question. it's not about weasel words, or playing games, it's the VERY for this conversation, if you don't know why everything is being shutdown, then how can you say it's better for the economy to reopen.
 
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