What makes the Son different than the Father and the Holy Spirit?

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What makes the Holy Spirit different that the Father and the Son?

What makes the Son different than the Father and the Holy Spirit?

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What makes the Father different than the Son and Holy Spirit?

If they are all God (and, they are)..

What distinguishes each from the other?
 
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Isn't "all sorts of things" the answer to that? And it takes being familiar with quite a number of Bible verses in order to list them.

If you don't have an answer? That's OK.

But, "all sorts of things?" That's not any answer.

Start somewhere, please? Give one example of some Bible verses? One, maybe?
 
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What makes the Holy Spirit different that the Father and the Son?

What makes the Son different than the Father and the Holy Spirit?

And...

What makes the Father different than the Son and Holy Spirit?

If they are all God (and, they are)..

What distinguishes each from the other?
What Does the Bible Say About The Holy Spirit?
John 16:12-15
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

What Does the Bible Say About The Father?
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

What Does the Bible Say About The Christ?
Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
 
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If you don't have an answer? That's OK.

But, "all sorts of things?" That's not any answer.

Well, it IS an answer. It is saying that there is no snap, single, item about the persona of God that answers your question.

No, I didn't make my own list, but for anyone who wants to compile one, it's necessary to get the whole list or else it's a wrong answer.

You could have refined your question, but since you asked only the broadest of questions (What makes them different from each other), coming up with the answer to that will take some doing.
 
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Well, it IS an answer. It is saying that there is no snap, single, item about the persona of God that answers your question.

Sorry.. Its understood. We need to start with some actual passages. Just saying passages are there, is not an answer. I know I am probably being taken the wrong way here. I am trying to build on something that will show us what we can see to make the distinctions.
 
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What Does the Bible Say About The Holy Spirit?
John 16:12-15
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

What Does the Bible Say About The Father?
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’”

What Does the Bible Say About The Christ?
Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Yes... We know that distinctions can be seen in their interaction with creation. If we could? We might begin to see how they differ in their "structure."
 
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What makes the Holy Spirit different that the Father and the Son?

What makes the Son different than the Father and the Holy Spirit?

And...

What makes the Father different than the Son and Holy Spirit?

If they are all God (and, they are)..

What distinguishes each from the other?

God the Father
Known to us as the Creator of all things.
God the Son
Know to us as God in the Flesh who walked among us.
God the Holy Spirit
Know to us as the Comforter who dwells inside of us.

Blessings
 
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The Son is both fully man, and fully God.

The Father has no second nature. He is simply fully God.
But that's an oversimplification, I think. "Simply fully God" sounds like a contradiction in terms. This is what I meant about the "sandals" remark. Angels veil their faces before Him. We can't discuss the "nature" of God without virtually approaching Him and risking blasphemy. I do not mean the unforgivable type, but it is the most delicate of subjects, I believe.

I like the way the NIV puts this passage:

Can you fathom the mysteries of God?
Can you probe the limits of the Almighty?
They are higher than the heavens above—what can you do?
They are deeper than the depths below—what can you know?
Their measure is longer than the earth
and wider than the sea.
If he comes along and confines you in prison
and convenes a court, who can oppose him?
Surely he recognizes deceivers;
and when he sees evil, does he not take note?
But the witless can no more become wise
than a wild donkey’s colt can be born human.

Job 11:7-12

Just some thoughts
 
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But that's an oversimplification, I think. "Simply fully God" sounds like a contradiction in terms. This is what I meant about the "sandals" remark. Angels veil their faces before Him. We can't discuss the "nature" of God without virtually approaching Him and risking blasphemy. I do not mean the unforgivable type, but it is the most delicate of subjects, I believe.

I like the way the NIV puts this passage:

Can you fathom the mysteries of God?
Can you probe the limits of the Almighty?
They are higher than the heavens above—what can you do?
They are deeper than the depths below—what can you know?
Their measure is longer than the earth
and wider than the sea.
If he comes along and confines you in prison
and convenes a court, who can oppose him?
Surely he recognizes deceivers;
and when he sees evil, does he not take note?
But the witless can no more become wise
than a wild donkey’s colt can be born human.

Job 11:7-12

Just some thoughts
Job was not like we are....

We are now a New Creation in Christ. We have the Holy Spirit indwelling us. All of us do who believed in Jesus. He has been glorified and that places us in a unique placement.

On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later
to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified." John 7:37-39​

The Scripture says, "we are a New Creation."(2 Corinthians 5:17) The Greek means something that is so new, that it has never existed before. Like how the atomic bomb forever altered and changed man's concept of warfare.

You, and I, are not in Job's shoes. He was an OT saint. We have been called to be the Lord of Creation's Helpmate. That means? Spiritual life on a highest order. We have not been called to be in the dark about what OT saints could not gasp.

The Spirit has been given so that we may be led into all truth that is required of us. We have been called to understand God to the fullest extent any regenerated human soul can, as a believer living on earth. What we are to walk in and understand is to exceed what was understood by any OT saints.


We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but
not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming
to nothing.
No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden
and that God destined for our glory before time began."
1 Cor 2:6-7​


Hidden from Job. Hidden from Moses... all OT saints.

How many Christians waste their time on petty bickering over subjectivity while trying to a achieve a semblance of "human humility?" Yet, might see those who keep digging deeper as arrogant and proud? Its a pity how reality that is to be found in Christ has been turned on its head. They try to remain the same person they once were, but only nicer... and miss what it is God wants us thinking with.

We need to stop seeing ourselves as living in the same way as OT believers did. For they eventually needed to be under the Law because of their lack of the grace we received when the Holy Spirit entered us and took up His residency forever. Very few OT saints received enduement from the Spirit, and could always have the Holy Spirit taken from them. We? Are going to reign with Christ (if we mature) and should be able to think on a level unheard of even by angels. Its the reason why Peter tells us that angels long to listen in on genuine church teachings. 1 Peter 1:12

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers
will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the
kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers
must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Jn 4:23-24​

No more piety and the law. Its now freedom and inner peace as one grows in gasping and understanding more and more of what had been hidden in God's Word. The Lord is awaiting for His church to walk in the power of the Holy Spirit and sound doctrine making God's Word the very substance of their being. For we are what we eat.


My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love,
so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in
order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in
whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."
Col 3:2-3​

The mysteries we are to now know at this time in history has been hidden in the Word of God! Hidden in Christ! He is the Word of God! (John 1:1)

For, by God's grace we need to be enabled to know and understand the Trinity today in a manner that previous generations were working towards but did not yet achieve. Just like you advanced in knowledge and understanding as you aged. And, Paul and us are all of the same body!

The Word of God is living... We as His body should be Growing and maturing in wisdom! The ongoing maturing of the body of Christ is like a maturing person, and should become wiser and wiser, as the last generation passed down to the next what that next generation is to build upon.

Stop thinking we can not fathom what it is God wants to make known to this generation. For Satan is always advancing in trying to contain Christianity. Yet, God keeps throwing him off balance by developing new insights in the minds of maturing believers, just like the atomic bomb ended WWll.

You still want to be thinking as Job did? Job looked forward to our day...
 
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But that's an oversimplification, I think. "Simply fully God" sounds like a contradiction in terms.

For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.
For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human
in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and
faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make
atonement for the sins of the people."
Heb 2:16-17

That requires "faith" to accept. Just like very old Abraham had to use faith when he was told that he and Sarah (who was long past menopausal) were going to have a son.

Do you think Abraham understood when he was first told? His wife even laughed when she heard it. Faith.


For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.
For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human
in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and
faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make
atonement for the sins of the people." Heb 2:16-17
 
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How was He made fully human?

Keep in mind. The Lord God of Israel was a union of both Deity and Soul. Its with Jehovah's soul that he made Himself to be(function) as a man. To do so, He had to voluntarily deny Himself of His powers of Deity so that He could face life on earth as we do, but without having a sin nature.


Who, existing eternally in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,

being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross! Philipns 2:6-8​

Also, keep in mind.

As God? He could never die.

That is why He had to make Himself to become fully as a man. Doing so, by denying Himself to His full right to all the powers to be functioning as Deity (as He had been manifested before the Incarnation).

While being as a man, it also allowed Jesus to develop and pioneer the Way for Christians to walk in as men and women of God.

He is the author and finisher of our faith!
 
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You still want to be thinking as Job did?
Sorry, I don't do dispensationalism. Enoch got so wise and close to God, he had to be translated to Heaven. I wouldn't mind thinking like Enoch. And he came before Job.

Job 13:15-18 KJV 15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him. 16 He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him. 17 Hear diligently my speech, and my declaration with your ears. 18 Behold now, I have ordered my cause; I know that I shall be justified.

I need justification.
Stop thinking we can not fathom what it is God wants to make known to this generation.
Stop carrying on like you know what I think.

I'm not going down this rabbit hole.
 
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Sorry, I don't do dispensationalism.

Fine.. others do, and will continue to understand it. As with all teachings... Some will not.

Job 13:15-18 KJV 15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him. 16 He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him. 17 Hear diligently my speech, and my declaration with your ears. 18 Behold now, I have ordered my cause; I know that I shall be justified.

I need justification.

You/we have been justified by the Cross.

Since we have now been justified by his blood,
how much more shall we be saved from God's
wrath through him."
Rom 5:9​
 
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Fine.. others do, and will continue to understand it. As with all teachings... Some will not.
And some understand it just fine. And reject it.
You/we have been justified by the Cross.

Since we have now been justified by his blood,
how much more shall we be saved from God's
wrath through him."
Rom 5:9
An ultra-literalistic (proof text) reading of this verse makes it self-contradictory. Is justification apart from salvation, where one is past tense and the other future?

But the Bible was written for the common man, not for hair-splitting.
 
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And some understand it just fine. And reject it.

An ultra-literalistic (proof text) reading of this verse makes it self-contradictory. Is justification apart from salvation, where one is past tense and the other future?

But the Bible was written for the common man, not for hair-splitting.


Let's get back to the Trinity, please. You can start a new thread on justification if you wish.

Here is something we need to consider when looking at the two natures of the Son.

Jesus explained what God's essence/nature is when He said the following...


But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers
will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking
such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship
him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Jn 4:23-24

God is "spirit" in his essence/nature. God is not soul, but "spirit."

God is not "soul" essence. Soul and spirit are both invisible and immateri. But, soul is a different essence. Soul is the essence of man.

This is where we can begin to see the dual nature of the Lord God of Israel whom became incarnate as Jesus. For in the OT it reveals the dual nature of the Lord God of Israel before the Incarnation, showing that as the Son He always possessed two natures. Deity and Soul.


'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new.
Moreover, I will make My dwelling among you, and My soul will not
reject you.' I will also walk among you and be your God, and you
shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12


And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst
and to serve Jehovah, so that his soul became impatient
because of the trouble of Israel." Judg 10:16


Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
and anyone loving violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5

Your New Moon festivals and your appointed feasts my soul hates.
They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them." Isa 1:14



Remember please.. Jesus in John 4:24, said, God is "spirit." Those OT passages include the Lord God of Israel's soul as having a soul. We relate to the soul. God relates to us by means of His Soul.

In the Incarnation the Lord God of Israel's soul denied himself of the full rights of being also Deity, and entered the body born of Mary as a soul. Making Himself to become the perfect man in His function.


Who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality
with God a thing to be asserted, but emptied Himself, taking the form
of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found
in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to
the point of death, even death on a cross. Philipns 2:6-8


There we have the basis for the dual nature of Christ being revealed in the OT before the Incarnation even took place. Jesus walked as a man revealing the holiness and purity of his soul of Jehovah.

He walked as a man to be as a man. So that when He overcame the world? What He developed as a man could be given to men, so they could share in His victory!

grace and peace........
 
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The church has historically answered this question roughly thusly: the Father is eternal and unoriginate; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father. The eternal act of being begotten is different from the eternal act of proceeding, but how those two eternal actions are different is as of yet unknown to us.
 
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The church has historically answered this question roughly thusly: the Father is eternal and unoriginate; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father. The eternal act of being begotten is different from the eternal act of proceeding, but how those two eternal actions are different is as of yet unknown to us.


If the Son was eternally begotten? And, He was. If eternity has no time? And, all things that have been created had to be created through the Son?

Well? Time is a creation. In Eternity time will cease.

That means the Son being eternally begotten had no beginning. For, a beginning requires the creation of time to have a beginning.

Therefore, the Son, though begotten, has always been eternally existing as the Father is.
 
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