Sounds like US was best prepared for pandemic

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It's disappointing when you don't read the original source

You were "ranked number one" but I'm sure that's not your fault so much as the fault of shoddy Breitbart reporting.

The study created 3 tiers which the us and I think 10 other countries are in.

Did you see this little potato?
ranks 175????

That puts you in the company of Third world countries.

Yeah thats because we don't have socialized medicine. If we bought into socialized medical medicine we would be very high in that area.
 
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And yet South Korea has been far more successful in dealing with this. They've been more rigorous when it comes to making sure everyone is tested, done more testing than we have overall and far more when you take into account the different sizes of our population.

We would have too if the testing hadn't failed. You can hardly blame the president or the plan for that.
 
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If USA was the best prepared then why is USA leading the world as having the most confirmed Covid-19 cases 21 days after having 100 cases?
Infection Trajectory: See Which Countries are Flattening Their COVID-19 Curve

It seems USA has not taken enough measures to contain the spread of the disease. Every other country that has reached 21 days after having 100 cases has done better than USA.


I think Singapore, Japan, Kuwait, Bahrain can take bragging rights. I think USA should just keep quiet.

I whole heatedly agree that Americans, the states and cities overall didn't take the steps necessary to stop the spread. All that needed to happen was for cities and states to impliment the things needed to slow this down. Take a look at New York and the mayor telling people even recently to travel.

Thousands and thousands of Americans went in spring break.

Unfortunately Americans are notorious for their independent spirit. "The government can't tell me what to do." Most times that's great, but now not so much.

Our University has shut down and we STILL have students mad about it. They would have come anyway.
 
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Here is what I was looking for.

Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

He did not follow the NSC playbook.

This from the article.
An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”
 
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Unfortunately Americans are notorious for their independent spirit. "The government can't tell me what to do." Most times that's great, but now not so much.

Reportedly Italians were of the same attitude about a month ago.

On a related note, the U.S. is now showing the most cases of COVID-19, having just passed China.
 
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This from the article.
An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”

Also from the article:
In a subsequent section, the playbook details steps to take if there’s evidence that the virus is spreading among humans, which the World Health Organization concluded by Jan. 22, or the U.S. government declared a public health emergency, which HHS Secretary Alex Azar did on Jan. 31.

Under that timeline, the federal government by late January should have been taking a lead role in “coordination of workforce protection activities including… [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment.” Those efforts are only now getting underway, health workers and doctors say.

They failed to take the lead in January, and it wasn't until March that the states started taking their own actions. If Trump had taken the lead in January, we would not be where we are now and be better equipped and prepared. Not perfect, but we would not have the shortages we have now.
 
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Yeah thats because we don't have socialized medicine. If we bought into socialized medical medicine we would be very high in that area.
No. It has to do with access to healthcare. I don't think all of the 174 countries doing better than you all have socialized medicine
 
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Reportedly Italians were of the same attitude about a month ago.

On a related note, the U.S. is now showing the most cases of COVID-19, having just passed China.
Yeah, I'm not trusting the commies on that.

That's not to downplay us though. But we'll get through this too.
 
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Where I do agree is that at some point Americans are going to realize there are a lot of stupid countrymen and women who really don't care about you at all.
Some won't care and make you sick; some will just say it's okay if you die if I need to make money.
Nope. Ideology can blind people to the most obvious facts.
 
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I think we can evaluate the claim that there was a better plan than the old NSC one by what we observe. The NSC plan would have had us start looking at long-term issues such as availability of equipment as early as possible. We delayed it too long.

But what S Korea and others did differently is that their contact tracing kept them out of the situation we're in. I'm not clear why we didn't succeed. As I recall, we started contact tracing from the beginning. The biggest difference I'm aware of is that we weren't ready with large-scale testing soon enough for it to support early contact tracing. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can say whether there were other reasons it didn't work. We're ramping up now, but it's now too late.
 
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Unfortunately Americans are notorious for their independent spirit. "The government can't tell me what to do." Most times that's great, but now not so much.
This is a problem with all Western styled nations.
None of them have been fearing very well at flattening that curve.

But USA is doing the very worst out of all of them.
At least they don't currently have the death rate that Italy has.

I'm not sure of all the missteps or the good steps that USA have taken. All I am sure of is that USA shouldn't be boasting of anything right now. Especially about being the most prepared.

From what I have seen on TV is that Donald Trump himself has been stating a lot of misinformation, and in early days was down playing the whole situation. When I compare that to the daily briefing by my own Prime Minister, well, I'm very thankful that I am not a USA person and not in the USA right now.
My country is just starting to get hit by Corona virus, most of our cases are of people coming back home from overseas. We are already in lock down and it will last for at least a month. Will be interesting to see how our curve goes in two weeks from now. At the moment it is going up and up just like the other western nations and we expect it to keep going up at this rate for the next week or two.
 
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When I compare that to the daily briefing by my own Prime Minister, well, I'm very thankful that I am not a USA person and not in the USA right now.

Me too.
 
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There's been a misunderstanding.

Trump referred to the alleged “politicizing” of the coronavirus by Democrats as “their new hoax.” He did not refer to the coronavirus itself as a hoax. Throughout the speech, Trump reiterates his administration is taking the threat of the coronavirus seriously.

Politico appears to misconstrue the subject of the president’s statement, claiming that Trump “tried to cast the global outbreak of the coronavirus as a liberal conspiracy intended to undermine his first term.” But an examination of the video and transcript show Trump actually described Democratic complaints about his handling of the virus threat as “their new hoax.”

Some Democrats, including former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former Vice President Joe Biden, have criticized the administration’s response to the outbreak as rudderless and ill-prepared due to Centers for Disease Control and National Institutes of Health budget cuts and leadership by Trump. But The Associated Press called this characterization “distorted” since the agencies haven’t seen loss of funding and have a “playbook to follow for pandemic preparation” regardless of who’s president.

At no point in the rally does Trump directly call the novel coronavirus outbreak a “hoax” or “conspiracy.” In fact, he refers to the respiratory virus as a “public health threat” and reiterates “we have to take it very, very seriously. That’s what we’re doing. We are preparing for the worst.”

Trump denied that he called the coronavirus a “hoax” in a Feb. 29 press conference. He said he was “referring to the action that they take to try and pin this on somebody because we’ve done such a good job. The hoax is on them. I’m not talking about what’s happening here. I’m talking what they’re doing. That’s the hoax,” according to NBC News. (taken from "checkyourfact.com)
 
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It's true that Trump didn't precisely call it a hoax. However he did minimize it until it was too late. I think the reason the US is growing faster than Europe is because they started isolation sooner. It will take a couple of weeks for results to show in the US.
 
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Travel restrictions versus expansive testing. I guess that's why it's America First, South Korea not.
They are not mutually exclusive. It takes both. The problem with testing in america is due to flawed CDC tests due to some kind of manufacturing problem, and also CDC and FDA regulations put in place before Trump.
 
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