The Catholic Church is 'forgiving sins' for people with the coronavirus?

rturner76 said:

If I am wrong I apologize for putting out false information. I hope someone is willing shares the correct information.

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The penitential act in Mass normally forgives only venial sins. In it one might receive forgiveness for mortal sin, but only if it's accompanied by perfect contrition and the firm intent to seek sacramental confession as soon as possible. It is not a substitute for the Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation.

The primary purpose of the Sacrament is to forgive sin, and to bring supernatural grace to the sinner that he might be able to stop sinning. Although the priest might provide some counseling, to say that's what the Sacrament is for is to gravely short-sell it.

I recommend a book entitled "Confession: Its Place in the Sacramental Life", by Benedict Baur.

chilehed said:

The penitential act in Mass normally forgives only venial sins. In it one might receive forgiveness for mortal sin, but only if it's accompanied by perfect contrition and the firm intent to seek sacramental confession as soon as possible. It is not a substitute for the Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation.

The primary purpose of the Sacrament is to forgive sin, and to bring supernatural grace to the sinner that he might be able to stop sinning. Although the priest might provide some counseling, to say that's what the Sacrament is for is to gravely short-sell it.

I recommend a book entitled "Confession: Its Place in the Sacramental Life", by Benedict Baur.

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I think I may have given the wrong impression.

I agree, the Sacrament of Reconciliation is what is required and you need to be c. In my example, I am assuming that they aren't piling up mortal sins.

I know in my area, they are mostly only doing private Reconciliation one day a week or by appointment. That was before the virus situation.

Growing up Protestant, I never gave Confession any priority when I changed over and they didn't spend much time on the topic in RCIA or I didn't.

Michael Collum said:

I get on some level the type of sin (not a list of offenses) that causes illness, though the illness is not a sin in and of itself.

I think the main issue is that the Catholic church tends to not explain such things in their own words, and assumes their authority must be obeyed by all. So it kind of fuels the fire of misunderstanding.

Not saying it's intentional, just how it tends to work out in general.

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"In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church:

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.vi"

The Pope Claims to be God on Earth | Papal Infallibility

Albion said:

You and I cannot, that's right. But the priests of the church act in this case in the stead of God.

The belief of almost all Christians, and certainly of that church, is that God forgives sins if they are sincerely confessed, forgiveness is sought, and there is a resolve to try not to commit them again.

Unless the priest sees in the confession some unwillingness on the part of the penitent to do all that, he simply confirms God's offer of forgiveness.

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23) What are the two definitions of blasphemy in Scripture?
John 10:30-33:
Luke 5:20-21:
Blasphemy includes claiming to be God, and claiming to have the power to forgive sins

http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/Study_Guides/TO/TO205-The_Man_Behind_the_Mask.pdf

Original Happy Camper said:

23) What are the two definitions of blasphemy in Scripture?
John 10:30-33:
Luke 5:20-21:
Blasphemy includes claiming to be God, and claiming to have the power to forgive sins

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Claiming to have that power on one's own would probably qualify. But in this case, the church explains that this power was delegated by Jesus, God himself, to his church. And that's right from the pages of your Bible.

Original Happy Camper said:

"In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church:

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.vi"

The Pope Claims to be God on Earth | Papal Infallibility

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Just to clarify. A Pope can say whatever they want (to a point). In order to "Speak For the Church" on matters of doctrine, it has to be done a certain way where there has to be some agreement on multiple levels.

Catholic Scholars have always wrote theses. It's a mandatory part of a Catholic education. Some are given more weight than others but an Ex Cathedra is about as hard as a Pope can flex. The Pope can cause a global shift in opinion on his own though just by saying something.

Albion said:

Claiming to have that power on one's own would probably qualify. But in this case, the church explains that this power was delegated by Jesus, God himself, to his church. And that's right from the pages of your Bible.

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What I have noticed is it seems that The Bible says Jesus passed the keys to Peter. There is communication between Apostles, that would indicate a team effort rather than a leader and his followers.

rturner76 said:

Just to clarify. A Pope can say whatever they want (to a point). In order to "Speak For the Church" on matters of doctrine, it has to be done a certain way where there has to be some agreement on multiple levels.

Catholic Scholars have always wrote theses. It's a mandatory part of a Catholic education. Some are given more weight than others but an Ex Cathedra is about as hard as a Pope can flex. The Pope can cause a global shift in opinion on his own though just by saying something.

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Thursday, July 3, 2014
VATICAN CITY (Worthy News)-- Pope Francis created a controversy amongst Evangelicals this week, when he stated in his weekly address, that those who believe they can maintain a "personal" and "direct" relationship with Jesus Christ outside the "mediation of the Church" was "dangerous and harmful."

In his weekly address from St. Peter's Square, the Pope said, "No one becomes Christian on his or her own! Is that clear? No one becomes Christian by him- or herself."

When the pope says church which one is he reffering to?

charsan said:

Yes it is. Fr. Longnecker is a married Catholic Priest About Fr. Longenecker and there are over two hundred from the Anglican oridninate (sp) plus in the Eastern rite Priest can be married before they enter the Priesthood. The discipline of mandatory Celibacy is only a western rite thing

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No, no. Roman Catholics and Anglicans are not the same thing at all. Anglicans are Church of England, not members of the Roman Catholic Church. Although there is some overlap in belief as between all denominations, we don't share doctrines or rules. Anglican religious leaders like vicars can marry, but no Catholic priest can.

Here Kitty Kitty said:

No, no. Roman Catholics and Anglicans are not the same thing at all. Anglicans are Church of England, not members of the Roman Catholic Church. Although there is some overlap in belief as between all denominations, we don't share doctrines or rules. Anglican religious leaders like vicars can marry, but no Catholic priest can.

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Never said Anglicans and Catholics are the same. Your information is incorrect, there are many Catholic Priest that are married as seen in my link in my post you quoted. There is an Anglican Ordinate in the Catholic Church and those man are married, in the Eastern rite of the Catholic Church man are married. The Catholic Church has more rites then the Latin rite, and it is the Latin rite that has the discipline of no marriage for a Priest using the words of St. Paul himself.

charsan said:

Never said Anglicans and Catholics are the same. Your information is incorrect, there are many Catholic Priest that are married as seen in my link in my post you quoted. There is an Anglican Ordinate in the Catholic Church and those man are married, in the Eastern rite of the Catholic Church man are married.

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We thank you.

And that is the point. It's not that Anglicans and Roman Catholics are the same.

The reference is to men who were formerly Anglican priests but then entered the Catholic Church. These men, like some other Catholic priests, are married.

Original Happy Camper said:

Thursday, July 3, 2014
VATICAN CITY (Worthy News)-- Pope Francis created a controversy amongst Evangelicals this week, when he stated in his weekly address, that those who believe they can maintain a "personal" and "direct" relationship with Jesus Christ outside the "mediation of the Church" was "dangerous and harmful."

In his weekly address from St. Peter's Square, the Pope said, "No one becomes Christian on his or her own! Is that clear? No one becomes Christian by him- or herself."

When the pope says church which one is he reffering to?

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Original Happy Camper said:

Thursday, July 3, 2014
VATICAN CITY (Worthy News)-- Pope Francis created a controversy amongst Evangelicals this week, when he stated in his weekly address, that those who believe they can maintain a "personal" and "direct" relationship with Jesus Christ outside the "mediation of the Church" was "dangerous and harmful."

In his weekly address from St. Peter's Square, the Pope said, "No one becomes Christian on his or her own! Is that clear? No one becomes Christian by him- or herself."

When the pope says church which one is he reffering to?

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My best guess would be he is talking about the Church Universal. I haven't gone over and read the context in which he made the statement.

I can say that in an open statement like that, he is not considered infallible. He didn't change any doctrine so even Catholics can take it or leave it. It's more likely that the people who like him will agree. There are Catholics who don't even recognize his legitimacy.

Back to the question, when I say Church Universal, I mean all those who believe Jesus was or is the Christ. Very broad definition. I am of the opinion that Pope Francis is some type of universalism (lower case u) or annihilation.

There is more of an attitude in RCC and especially Orthodoxy that you do your best and God will figure the rest out. In other words, we can't know who is going where. The statement he made could have been in light of something like that.