Is the "Only Believe" doctrine false?

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So we believe because we’ve crossed over from death to life.

Good to hear.
"believing" is not just mental agreement. True belief is demonstrated by heart acceptance. We prove that we have passed from death to life when we love the brethren. The parable of the sower explains that it is possible to have a shallow belief that fails under trial. A lot of so-called conversions prove to be false when pressure comes along.
 
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"believing" is not just mental agreement. True belief is demonstrated by heart acceptance. We prove that we have passed from death to life when we love the brethren. The parable of the sower explains that it is possible to have a shallow belief that fails under trial. A lot of so-called conversions prove to be false when pressure comes along.
Only one soil was truly saved. The others were pretenders, as evidenced by their actions.
 
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Nope. "raised with him through your faith in the power of God" Col 2:12. Crossing over from death to life is contingent upon faith.
Through faith or because of faith?
 
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Where I am right now, most of the places are shut down. There are no opportunities to help the hungry and homeless. I also cannot work for certain reasons. From where I saw, there are pretty much no homeless where I am. How can I help the homeless if everywhere is shut down?

Blessings,

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Remember the widow? She gave all that she had. There are actually online charities that you can give to. There are charities in the city that take extra food, blankets, etc. But even lets just say a Christian is temporarily stranded in a remote forest with no people and they are wounded and they cannot travel far. Surely this extenuating circumstance does not mean that they are forever off the hook in helping the poor if they get back to civilization and or their situation changes. Jesus says to whom much is given, much is required. But lets just say that one day a man named Bob came up to a another man named Rick, and he said that if Rick did not try to walk or drive around and try to look for a homeless person and try to help them in some way (like give them an extra shirt or blanket), he would kill him if he did not even try to look for them. Surely, the fire would then be under Rick's butt to move and look. I believe Matthew 25:31-46 applies to a believer's whole life. They are going to be given opportunities to help the poor sometimes. God is looking to us in obeying Him in some way throughout our lives.

Side Note:

Granted, I am not saying God is going to condemn us for staying home in quarantine in obeying their country. Obviously we are under unique circumstances that are not normal. My encouragement is to stay home and stay safe, but if you think there is a safe way to give with minimal risk to yourself in being exposed to other people, then by all means.... do so. For would you not risk to do so to get food and water for yourself? What of those who have none?
 
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Hey all, may Jesus shine his everlasting light on you.

Recently, I saw this post by Sister Sharon, also known as MotivatingU2Win. She has this video:


What are your thoughts? Is "Only Believing In Christ" a false doctrine?

Yes, Belief Alone-ism is false; James says that we are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). James says faith without works is dead (James 2:17). James says that he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18). James says even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19). But surely it is more than just doing works. We learn in Matthew 7:23 that those who did wonderful works were told to depart from Jesus. Why? Because Jesus said that they worked iniquity and or lawlessness. Hebrews 12:14 says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

Now, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:3-5, Romans 11:6, Galatians 3:10, and Titus 3:5 are often quoted to promote that we are saved solely by God's grace through faith alone and not by any works of any kind whatsoever. I believe these verses are talking about we are "Initially Saved" or "Ultimately Saved" by God's grace.
This is a process of salvation that is not without works because it is based upon God's grace.

We are first initially saved by God's grace and mercy through faith by:

(a) Believing the gospel (i.e. believing that Christ died for our sins, and he was buried, and was risen three days later on our behalf for salvation - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4),
(b) Seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 18:9-14) (Romans 10:13),
(c) Accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior (Matthew 11:28-29) (John 15:7).​

We also are ultimately saved by God's grace in the fact that if we happen to unintentionally sin on rare occasion in our holy walk with God, we can confess and forsake such sins to be forgiven of them (Instead of doing a good work alone to be forgiven). See: 1 John 1:9, Psalms 51, Luke 18:9-14, and Proverbs 28:13.

Jesus warned us of sin and how it can destroy our souls (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62). Even after the cross: His followers warned us about how sin can destroy our souls (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) (Galatians 5:19-21) (1 John 3:15) (Revelation 21:8).

After we are saved by God's grace, we also need to enter the next step or stage of the salvation process called the Sanctification Process so as to be saved, as well.

  1. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24).

  2. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).

  3. A person can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16).

  4. Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God, and to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life (Luke 10:25-28).

  5. Those who have done good, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, shall come forth unto the resurrection of damnation (John 5:29).

  6. We have to continue in His goodness, otherwise we can be cut off [just like the Jews were cut off] (Romans 11:21-22).

  7. Helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to inheriting the Kingdom (Matthew 25:34-40), and not helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to going away into everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:41-46).

  8. Whoever does not righteousness or does not love his brother is not of God (1 John 3:10).

  9. Whoever does what Jesus says is likened unto a wise man who built his house upon the rock, and when a storm came, it did not fall, (Matthew 7:24-25), but the person who does not do what Jesus says is likened unto a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27).

  10. Abiding in Jesus will bear much fruit, but if a person does not abide in Jesus [thereby being unfruitful], they are cast out [or cut off] like a branch to be burned in the fire (John 15:5-6).

  11. If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing (1 Peter 4:18-19).

  12. Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14) (NKJV).

Most people think of salvation as being overly simplistic. They read Paul and conclude the wrong thing. Paul was trying to refute "Works ALONE Salvationism" via by going back to the "613 Laws of the Law of Moses." Paul was dealing with the problem of "Circumcision Salvationism." This was the false belief that said that you had to be first circumcised in order to be saved (Note: This heresy is described for us in detail at the Jerusalem Council; See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). Paul even said that if the Galatian believers sought to be circumcised, Christ would profit them nothing (Galatians 5:2). This was because they were being deceived by Jews to think they had to be circumcised in order to be initially saved instead of having faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Paul was not against living holy as a part of the salvation process after a person was first saved by God's grace; For Paul also said that there are those who have denied God by a lack of works in Titus 1:16. Paul also said that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ, and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says that God resists the proud, and he gives grace to the humble.

You said:
How do you believe we attain salvation?

We are saved both in Justification (God's grace through faith), and then afterwards we are saved by entering into the Sanctification Process (Living holy by the power of God).

Here are three verses that say we are saved by both.

#1. John chapter 5, verse 24.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24).

The word "hears" is another way of saying, "obeys."
The expanded Bible makes this more clear.

"I tell you the truth [Truly, truly I say to you], whoever hears [obeys] what I say [my word/message] and believes in the One who sent me has eternal life. That person will not be judged guilty [come into judgment/condemnation] but has already left death and entered life [ passed from death into life]." (John 5:24) (EXB).

In other words, this above verse says that whoever OBEYS what Jesus says, and BELIEVES in Him has eternal life.

#2. 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2, verse 13.

"...God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth"
(2 Thessalonians 2:13).

This is saying that God has chosen us to salvation by two things:

(1) Belief of the Truth (i.e. Jesus is the Truth - Jhn 14:6).
(2) Sanctification of the Spirit (of which we see the eradication of sin out of our life by the Spirit mentioned in Rms 8:13; For everyone should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor - 1 Thess. 4:4).​

So this above verse is saying you need a belief in Jesus, and the Sanctification of the Spirit (to live holy) as a part of salvation. Note: Look at the surrounding immediate context (before and after) for 2 Thessalonians 2:13; For it does refer to works.

#3. James chapter 2, verse 24.

"You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

Obviously you believe we are justified by faith as a part of salvation. But what is interesting is that the word "justified" is used once in both faith and works. This verse above here says we are justified (declared just, i.e. saved) by works and by faith. For faith without works is dead (James 2:17). A dead faith cannot save anyone. Good works is one aspect of the Sanctification Process. Living holy is the ultimate focus of Sanctification. For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (See: Hebrews 12:14).

How do we become totally sinless?

Not all sin is the same. There is a sin that does not lead unto death (1 John 5:16-17). Paul was not condemned by God for refusing to listen to the Spirit in going to Jerusalem. Baptism is not a command that if disobeyed leads to spiritual death (1 John 3:15). This is not to say that we should not obey God even in the most minor of things. The point here is that God will not condemn us for something that is not specifically made clear within His Word. However, there are grievous sins that can cause a loss of salvation unless we confess and forsake such sins. These sins would be sins that the Bible does clearly condemn like murder, theft, hate, adultery, not loving your brother, etc. (Galatians 5:19-21) (Revelation 21:8).

This is why we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).
 
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Yes, Belief Alone-ism is false; James says that we are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). James says faith without works is dead (James 2:17). James says that he will show you his faith by his works (James 2:18). James says even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19). But surely it is more than just doing works. We learn in Matthew 7:23 that those who did wonderful works were told to depart from Jesus. Why? Because Jesus said that they worked iniquity and or lawlessness. Hebrews 12:14 says that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

Now, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:3-5, Romans 11:6, Galatians 3:10, and Titus 3:5 are often quoted to promote that we are saved solely by God's grace through faith alone and not by any works of any kind whatsoever. I believe these verses are talking about we are "Initially Saved" or "Ultimately Saved" by God's grace.
This is a process of salvation that is not without works because it is based upon God's grace.

We are first initially saved by God's grace and mercy through faith by:

(a) Believing the gospel (i.e. believing that Christ died for our sins, and he was buried, and was risen three days later on our behalf for salvation - 1 Corinthians 15:1-4),
(b) Seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ (Luke 18:9-14) (Romans 10:13),
(c) Accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior (Matthew 11:28-29) (John 15:7).​

We also are ultimately saved by God's grace in the fact that if we happen to unintentionally sin on rare occasion in our holy walk with God, we can confess and forsake such sins to be forgiven of them (Instead of doing a good work alone to be forgiven). See: 1 John 1:9, Psalms 51, Luke 18:9-14, and Proverbs 28:13.

Jesus warned us of sin and how it can destroy our souls (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62). Even after the cross: His followers warned us about how sin can destroy our souls (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) (Galatians 5:19-21) (1 John 3:15) (Revelation 21:8).

After we are saved by God's grace, we also need to enter the next step or stage of the salvation process called the Sanctification Process so as to be saved, as well.

  1. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24).

  2. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).

  3. A person can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16).

  4. Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God, and to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life (Luke 10:25-28).

  5. Those who have done good, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, shall come forth unto the resurrection of damnation (John 5:29).

  6. We have to continue in His goodness, otherwise we can be cut off [just like the Jews were cut off] (Romans 11:21-22).

  7. Helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to inheriting the Kingdom (Matthew 25:34-40), and not helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to going away into everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:41-46).

  8. Whoever does not righteousness or does not love his brother is not of God (1 John 3:10).

  9. Whoever does what Jesus says is likened unto a wise man who built his house upon the rock, and when a storm came, it did not fall, (Matthew 7:24-25), but the person who does not do what Jesus says is likened unto a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27).

  10. Abiding in Jesus will bear much fruit, but if a person does not abide in Jesus [thereby being unfruitful], they are cast out [or cut off] like a branch to be burned in the fire (John 15:5-6).

  11. If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing (1 Peter 4:18-19).

  12. Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14) (NKJV).

Most people think of salvation as being overly simplistic. They read Paul and conclude the wrong thing. Paul was trying to refute "Works ALONE Salvationism" via by going back to the "613 Laws of the Law of Moses." Paul was dealing with the problem of "Circumcision Salvationism." This was the false belief that said that you had to be first circumcised in order to be saved (Note: This heresy is described for us in detail at the Jerusalem Council; See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24). Paul even said that if the Galatian believers sought to be circumcised, Christ would profit them nothing (Galatians 5:2). This was because they were being deceived by Jews to think they had to be circumcised in order to be initially saved instead of having faith in Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Paul was not against living holy as a part of the salvation process after a person was first saved by God's grace; For Paul also said that there are those who have denied God by a lack of works in Titus 1:16. Paul also said that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ, and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says that God resists the proud, and he gives grace to the humble.



We are saved both in Justification (God's grace through faith), and then afterwards we are saved by entering into the Sanctification Process (Living holy by the power of God).

Here are three verses that say we are saved by both.

#1. John chapter 5, verse 24.

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24).

The word "hears" is another way of saying, "obeys."
The expanded Bible makes this more clear.

"I tell you the truth [Truly, truly I say to you], whoever hears [obeys] what I say [my word/message] and believes in the One who sent me has eternal life. That person will not be judged guilty [come into judgment/condemnation] but has already left death and entered life [ passed from death into life]." (John 5:24) (EXB).

In other words, this above verse says that whoever OBEYS what Jesus says, and BELIEVES in Him has eternal life.

#2. 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2, verse 13.

"...God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth"
(2 Thessalonians 2:13).

This is saying that God has chosen us to salvation by two things:

(1) Belief of the Truth (i.e. Jesus is the Truth - Jhn 14:6).
(2) Sanctification of the Spirit (of which we see the eradication of sin out of our life by the Spirit mentioned in Rms 8:13; For everyone should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor - 1 Thess. 4:4).​

So this above verse is saying you need a belief in Jesus, and the Sanctification of the Spirit (to live holy) as a part of salvation. Note: Look at the surrounding immediate context (before and after) for 2 Thessalonians 2:13; For it does refer to works.

#3. James chapter 2, verse 24.

"You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." (James 2:24).

Obviously you believe we are justified by faith as a part of salvation. But what is interesting is that the word "justified" is used once in both faith and works. This verse above here says we are justified (declared just, i.e. saved) by works and by faith. For faith without works is dead (James 2:17). A dead faith cannot save anyone. Good works is one aspect of the Sanctification Process. Living holy is the ultimate focus of Sanctification. For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (See: Hebrews 12:14).



Not all sin is the same. There is a sin that does not lead unto death (1 John 5:16-17). Paul was not condemned by God for refusing to listen to the Spirit in going to Jerusalem. Baptism is not a command that if disobeyed leads to spiritual death (1 John 3:15). This is not to say that we should not obey God even in the most minor of things. The point here is that God will not condemn us for something that is not specifically made clear within His Word. However, there are grievous sins that can cause a loss of salvation unless we confess and forsake such sins. These sins would be sins that the Bible does clearly condemn like murder, theft, hate, adultery, not loving your brother, etc.

This is why we are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
I’m just going to point out to whoever reads this that there’s no context to the verses given. In other words, you won’t be able to find a paragraph, chapter or book that supports this notion. To come to this conclusion you must take a verse here and a verse there and put them together at your good pleasure to arrive at this conclusion.
 
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Take for example Ephesians 2:8-9. We know that this is talking about "Initial Salvation" because Ephesians 2:1 says we have been "quickened." How many times have you been "quickened"? One time I hope. Ephesians 2:8 says that we are saved by God's grace like a gift. How many times do you receive a gift? Surely I hope your family does not re-wrap the same gifts over and over for you each year. For generally gifts are received one time. Ephesians 3:17 says that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith. How many times is Christ to come forth to dwell in a person's heart? Usually this is one time. Also, we learn in Titus 3:5 that in the verses proceeding it says,

"For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, " (Titus 3:3-4).

Verse 3 says we were at one time in the past foolish and disobedient, but verse 4 then transitions into talking about how then after the kindness of the love of God via by our Savior appeared. This is suggestive of a one time event in being saved by God's grace and mercy in Titus 3:5. It is one's initial salvation.

Ephesians 2, and Titus 3 say nothing about how one can be fruitless and sinful and still be saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. No such thing is ever mentioned. Yet, that is what needs to be mentioned if Grace Alone by Faith Alone was even remotely true.
 
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We learn in Titus 2:11-12 that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world. This means no justifying sin under God's grace on any level. God's grace is not a safety net to sin or to be fruitless for our Lord. Matthew 25:21 says that the servant who was faithful over a few things was told to enter into the joy of his Lord. Matthew 25:30 says that the unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Gnashing of teeth is what wolves do (when they show their fangs when they growl); Meaning, they are really angry.
 
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Take for example Ephesians 2:8-9. We know that this is talking about "Initial Salvation" because Ephesians 2:1 says we have been "quickened." How many times have you been "quickened"? One time I hope. Ephesians 2:8 says that we are saved by God's grace like a gift. How many times do you receive a gift? Surely I hope your family does not re-wrap the same gifts over and over for you each year. For generally gifts are received one time. Ephesians 3:17 says that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith. How many times is Christ to come forth to dwell in a person's heart? Usually this is one time. Also, we learn in Titus 3:5 that in the verses proceeding it says,

"For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, " (Titus 3:3-4).

Verse 3 says we were at one time in the past foolish and disobedient, but verse 4 then transitions into talking about how then after the kindness of the love of God via by our Savior appeared. This is suggestive of a one time event in being saved by God's grace and mercy in Titus 3:5. It is one's initial salvation.

Ephesians 2, and Titus 3 say nothing about how one can be fruitless and sinful and still be saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. No such thing is ever mentioned. Yet, that is what needs to be mentioned if Grace Alone by Faith Alone was even remotely true.
Nothing about losing salvation.
 
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We learn in Titus 2:11-12 that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness, and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world. This means no justifying sin under God's grace on any level. God's grace is not a safety net to sin or to be fruitless for our Lord. Matthew 25:21 says that the servant who was faithful over a few things was told to enter into the joy of his Lord. Matthew 25:30 says that the unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. Gnashing of teeth is what wolves do (when they show their fangs when they growl); Meaning, they are really angry.
Nothing about losing salvation.
 
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It would be nice to think that we only have to believe to be saved. Many say that Scripture teaches such, especially in Paul's letters. However, Jesus warned in Matthew that many will call him "Lord", but unless they show mercy to the hungry and the homeless, they will not be saved.
So the hungry and homeless better give away what we give them so they can earn their salvation also?
 
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I do affirm salvation by faith alone, however I interpret things along the line of trusting in and accepting what Christ has done for us. I do not (personally) believe that God is going to give us a "faith exam" upon death. I don't think salvation is achieved by ascertaining a certain theology. I do not accept the idea that God is going to punish a person for not figuring out his gift before we die. If that is the case, salvation is not a gift but rather something we complete a challenge to achieve. And if we are achieving salvation by our own effort, not only have we established works salvation, but we are not saved by the work of Christ alone, but by our own effort and striving. If this is the case, Jesus is not the savior, we are. And if this is the case as well, God is not good and loving, but a tyrant who wants to determine who is and isn't acceptable to be with him by the most ad hoc system of belief.

I instead think salvation is deeply relational. The Trinity is commonly thought of as a mathematical oddity. 1+1+1=1. However, to think this way is to terribly misunderstand the Trinity. The Trinity is instead a circle of relationship between three persons, generating love and grace and mutual submission between all its members. In a very similar fashion,salvation is deeply personal and relational in nature. Our salvation has been won completely as a gift by Jesus, in his incarnation, life, death, resurrection, and ascension, and we experience this gift through relationality. Our "contribution" to salvation is absolutely nonexistent. Instead, we receive the gift that has already been given through trust. We can not even actively "do" anything to accept the gift. Instead, we can only not reject it. Our rebellion is the entire reason we need saving, and Jesus seeks to destroy the sickness we have brought upon ourselves. The only way to reject salvation is to cover our wounds that Jesus is trying to heal. Our rejection of salvation is us holding onto the darkness and sickness in us that God demands with a fury be burned away in the fires of his love. The fruits of rejecting salvation is hell, which is not God's punishment for our lack of faith or sufficient works, but rather our insistence to hold onto our darkness while God is intent upon destroying it. In my viewpoint, I think one is saved not by works or believing arbitrary statements of fact, but rather by trusting in the God who already saved us and not trying to hold onto our sickness or manufacturing new ways to "save ourselves" through legalism or works.

I think we become totally sinless again through the work of Christ. His death acted as a death of all, as he was the head of our race. In Adam's rebellion, death was brought into the world, for our sin caused us to cut ties with Life Himself. Jesus died the death that was sin's bounty on all of mankind's head. In that death, our sinful selves died and all that truly remains is our renewed selves in Christ. I believe that in Christ, the truth of everyone's being is sinless. The way of our being does not match this, however, because we still resist the freedom and healing we have been given. As we grow in love and trust with Jesus over the countless years of our immortal existence in Christ, we will grow to be entirely without sin. As we grow to see more of the Life that is ever present in who we are, we will grow to act in accordance with Him.

That's how I see things.
God bless.
 
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Hey all, may Jesus shine his everlasting light on you.

Recently, I saw this post by Sister Sharon, also known as MotivatingU2Win. She has this video:


What are your thoughts? Is "Only Believing In Christ" a false doctrine?

How do you believe we attain salvation?

How do we become totally sinless?

I'm praying for you all,

boxman144:amen:
Christ saves us through his finished work of the cross, his sacrifice to take away our sins AND place us in Him, with eternal life that we have now, and forever. He changes us and through that union produces the obedience of faith. Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.
It’s God’s work through Christ. We do simply believe, or perhaps a better word is trust....we trust in Him as our Savior and we trust in Him to work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Phil 2:13. We do it through him. We are a new good creation, but this new person is dependent on Christ.....Gal 2:20.
 
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So the hungry and homeless better give away what we give them so they can earn their salvation also?


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Hebrews 5:9


Do you believe that a person must obey the Lord Jesus in order to receive salvation?




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It would be nice to think that we only have to believe to be saved. Many say that Scripture teaches such, especially in Paul's letters. However, Jesus warned in Matthew that many will call him "Lord", but unless they show mercy to the hungry and the homeless, they will not be saved.

I don't understand why people use Matthew 7 to prove works salvation. In my opinion it's the greatest proof against works salvation. The people who said "Lord, Lord" in Matthew 7 were those who believed in their wonderful works (instead of believing in Jesus)
 
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Hey all, may Jesus shine his everlasting light on you.

Recently, I saw this post by Sister Sharon, also known as MotivatingU2Win. She has this video:


What are your thoughts? Is "Only Believing In Christ" a false doctrine?

How do you believe we attain salvation?

How do we become totally sinless?

I'm praying for you all,

boxman144:amen:


The words faith, believe, and believer are all actually 3 different forms of the same Greek word pistis. Faith or pistis being the noun, believe or pisteuo being the verb, and believer or pistos being the adjective. The Greek words pisteuo (believe) pistos (believer) pistis (faith) all imply a certain level of faithfulness, trustworthiness, fidelity, and loyalty in their definition. These have to do with an individual’s motivation for salvation. Notice in the definition below there’s a number 1 in front of the first 3 descriptions for the word pisteuo, that’s because all three of these descriptions are included in the primary definition.


believe


G4100


Lemma:


πιστεύω


Transliteration:


pisteúō


Pronounce:


pist-yoo'-o


Part of Speech:


Verb


Language:


greek


Description:


1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a) of the thing believed


1) to credit, have confidence b) in a moral or religious reference


1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul


2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith


3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith


2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity a) to be intrusted with a thing


believers


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Lemma:


πιστός


Transliteration:


pistós


Pronounce:


pis-tos'


Part of Speech:


Adjective


Language:


greek


Description:


1) trusty, faithful a) of persons who show themselves faithful in the transaction of business, the execution of commands, or the discharge of official duties b) one who kept his plighted faith, worthy of trust c) that can be relied on


2) easily persuaded a) believing, confiding, trusting b) in the NT one who trusts in God's promises


1) one who is convinced that Jesus has been raised from the dead


2) one who has become convinced that Jesus is the Messiah and author of salvation


faith


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Lemma:


πίστις


Transliteration:


pístis


Pronounce:


pis'-tis


Part of Speech:


Noun Feminine


Language:


greek


Description:


1) conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it a) relating to God


1) the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ b) relating to Christ


1) a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God c) the religious beliefs of Christians d) belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same


2) fidelity, faithfulness a) the character of one who can be relied on


This does not mean that our works in any way play a role in our salvation but the motivation behind those works is what counts. Is our desire self serving or God serving. Does is stem from a selfish desire like self righteousness and recognition or does it stem from love for others and love for God. Those who believe in Christ and desire to do good works out of love for God and others will be saved despite their imperfections but those who do good works as a means to earn self righteousness will not be saved regardless of whether they believe in Christ or not because the scriptures say that those who seek to justify themselves thru their works have denied the necessity of Christ’s sacrifice.


So when you view the word pisteuo as only pertaining to the definition of the English word believe verses like John 15:1-10 don’t make any sense because it completely eliminates any inner conviction or desire to actually serve God as being a necessity for receiving salvation. If a person has this inner conviction and desire to serve God then he will bear fruit and so long as he keeps this inner conviction he will abide in Christ. Simply acknowledging that Christ existed without any desire to serve God will save no one. This is why the definition of the English word believe does not fit the context of the scriptures and appears to contradict other verses.
 
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