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She said very little about Michael. Our belief about Michael comes from the bible itself, not her.
Michael is a title for the pre-incarnate Christ. He is not a created angel, He is THE Archangel, the leader of all the angels, the name means "who is like God."---That is not a name given to any angel.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Jesus has the voice of the archangel. There is only one archangel,

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

The angels are called His angels---they are Christ's for He created them. They are called His army in Rev. 19. Jesus marches at the head of His army, just as Rev 12 says Michael and His angels. There are not 2 sets of angels, one for Christ and one set for Michael. It is one set of angels, His army of angels and Michael is the title He uses as the head of those angels.

Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Dan 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

No angel ever accepts worship from man--ever. No angel makes a place Holy, only the presence of God can do that. Captain of the hoist of the Lord---Archangel, same thing.

Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Exo 3:3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
Exo 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
Exo 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

Again, the angel of the Lord, and God are used together---the ground is Hioly because God is there---Michael is not a crated angel, He is Jesus, the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, the Archangel, Captain of the Host and leads His angels---He created them.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book

No angel stands up for His people---Jesus is our mediator.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Messiah the Prince, He is Michael, our Prince.

It matters not the Jw's, the Buddhists, the Hindus, atheists, Tutankhamun or anyone else believes the same thing.
The bible says He is.

Again, no angel will allow worship, Michael and the angel of the Lord have both accepted worship and they do indeed, merge into the Almighty is some passages. Jesus said no one has seen the Father, however, Jesus was the Creator of all and it is He that was the one that spoke to Moses and others for Jesus said none has ever heard the Father either.
Joh_5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.



Sparbud,

You lay a great deal of stress on the passage in Daniel which says that Michael is a Prince. A Prince is not the same as the Messiah, although the coming Messiah is called the Prince of Peace.

One problem with the use that you make of the rank or title of "prince" is that the Hebrew translated as "prince" is variously translated as chief, ruler or captain, for instance. In Hebrew, "Captain of the Guard" and "Prince of the Guard" are the same. In English, "prince" sounds a lot more distinguished than "captain" or "chief" but this isn't true in the original Hebrew.

<< Strong's Concordance

sar: chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, prince

Original Word: שַׂר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: sar
Phonetic Spelling: (sar)
Definition: chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, prince >>

Link:
Strong's Hebrew: 8269. שָׂר (sar) -- chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, prince
 
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Sparbud,

You lay a great deal of stress on the passage in Daniel which says that Michael is a Prince. A Prince is not the same as the Messiah, although the coming Messiah is called the Prince of Peace.

One problem with the use that you make of the rank or title of "prince" is that the Hebrew translated as "prince" is variously translated as chief, ruler or captain, for instance. In Hebrew, "Captain of the Guard" and "Prince of the Guard" are the same. In English, "prince" sounds a lot more distinguished than "captain" or "chief" but this isn't true in the original Hebrew.

<< Strong's Concordance

sar: chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, prince

Original Word: שַׂר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: sar
Phonetic Spelling: (sar)
Definition: chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, prince >>

Link:
Strong's Hebrew: 8269. שָׂר (sar) -- chieftain, chief, ruler, official, captain, prince


Yes, and Captain of the Host.
 
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Bob Ryan: "Just as most Bible scholars assert that the "Angel of the Lord" is the pre-incarnate Christ."

Most scholars have said no such thing. accepted.

The post you replied to included this text from Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary - author Bob McCabe

"
Example 1

Ex 3:1-2 Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.

"The first passage is found in Exodus 3:1–14. While tending the flock of his father-in-law at Horeb, Moses saw that a burning bush was not being consumed by the fire. As he approached the bush, v. 2 clearly states that the angel of the LORD appeared to him in the flames of the bush. It is stated in v. 4 that the LORD spoke to him from within the bush. In v. 6 the Being in the bush further identifies that He was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. As the conversation continues between these two, the Being in the bush announces His name, “I AM WHO I AM” (v. 14). Thus, this passage indicates that the angel of the LORD mentioned in v. 2 is clearly identified by Himself and accepted by Moses as the infinite God.

Example 2

Zechariah 3:1–10... the antecedent of “he” is the interpreting angel (he is referred to in 1:9, 14, 19; 2:3; 4:1, 3, 5; etc.; in light of 1:9 the interpreting angel was apparently present to explain some of the details of these visions to Zechariah), the antecedent of “me” is Zechariah, the angel of the LORD, and Satan. In this verse Joshua is described as standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan is pictured as standing at the right hand of the angel of the LORD to resist him. With this introduction to the vision we should note that the angel of the LORD is the focal point around which the following context revolves.

"The first half of v. 2 reads like this: “The LORD said to Satan, ‘The LORD rebuke you, Satan!’” In light of the participants mentioned in v. 1, we could read this verse in this fashion: “And the LORD, that is the angel of the LORD, said unto Satan, ‘The LORD rebuke you, Satan.’” Therefore, v. 2 identifies the angel of the LORD as the LORD and indicates that there is a distinction between the angel of the LORD and the LORD. This identification is further substantiated in v. 4. If we follow the context of vv. 2–4 carefully, we should notice that it is the angel of the LORD who forgives sin in v. 4. Since God is the only one who forgives sin, it is readily apparent that the angel of the LORD is God. Consequently, this passage provides solid support for both the deity of the angel of the LORD and his distinctiveness from the LORD.

Who is both deity and yet a distinct person from the LORD? Since no one has ever seen God the Father (John 1:18; 1 Tim 6:16) and since the Holy Spirit never takes on bodily form, this suggests that the supernatural Being to which this expression refers is the second member of the Trinity (also compare Exod 3:14 with John 8:58). Therefore, the angel of the LORD was a temporary manifestation of the LORD Jesus Christ in a preincarnate form
"
=========================end quote

Your response above did not deal with the texts that point to the fact.

As for the scholarship agreeing with Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary - author Bob McCabe

Some examples:

Friday at 10:53 PM #19

...


Adam Clarke Commentary

Exodus 3 Verse 2

The angel of the Lord - Not a created angel certainly; for he is called יהוה Jehovah, Exodus 3:4, etc., and has the most expressive attributes of the Godhead applied to him, Exodus 3:14, etc. Yet he is an angel, מלאך malach, a messenger, in whom was the name of God, Exodus 23:21; and in whom dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, Colossians 2:9; and who, in all these primitive times, was the Messenger of the covenant, Malachi 3:1. And who was this but Jesus, the Leader, Redeemer, and Savior of mankind? See Clarke's note on Genesis 16:7.

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James Burton Coffman
Ex 3 Verse 2-3

"And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will turn aside now, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."

"The angel of Jehovah ..." As the context proves, "The Angel of Jehovah is not a created angel but Jehovah himself in his act of self-revelation."[10] This is merely another name for God, of which there are many in the Bible. Although this verse does not indicate it, there is reason to believe that the Angel of Jehovah should be identified with our Lord Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Godhead; he is also called the Angel of the Covenant.[11]


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Jamieson Fausset Brown

Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible

Verse 2-3


the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire — It is common in Scripture to represent the elements and operations of nature, as winds, fires, earthquakes, pestilence, everything enlisted in executing the divine will, as the “angels” or messengers of God. But in such cases God Himself is considered as really, though invisibly, present. Here the preternatural fire may be primarily meant by the expression “angel of the Lord”; but it is clear that under this symbol, the Divine Being was present, whose name is given (Exodus 3:4, Exodus 3:6), and elsewhere called the angel of the covenant, Jehovah-Jesus.


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I think we can all agree that none of those Bible scholars were following Ellen White to make their statements or take their positions on this subject. So we cannot blame her for positions they take.

Nor can we "blame me" for positions those scholars take.
Albert Barnes Commentary

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So then two opinions --

here is one -


Albert Barnes Commentary

Exodus 3
Ex 3:1-2 Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.

vs 2
What Moses saw was the flame of fire in the bush; what he recognized therein was an intimation of the presence of God, who maketh a flame of fire His angel. Compare Psalm 104:4. The words which Moses heard were those of God Himself, as all ancient and most modern divines have held, manifested in the Person of the Son


=========== and here is another one
Most theologians are far more cautious on the subject.
.

I ran out of time quoting so many of them that do not share your view after I got to

Albert Barnes
James Burton Coffman
Adam Clarke Commentary
Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary Bob McCabe

R.C.Sproul
The Angel of the LORD
Verse 7 tells us “the angel of the Lord” found Hagar at the spring. This angel is no mere messenger of God, even though royal messengers in those days were treated with the same respect as the sender. When the angel of the Lord appears elsewhere in Scripture, people fall down in worship (see Judg. 6:22–24). After seeing the angel, Hagar addresses him as God (Gen. 16:13). This angel appeared mainly during the period recounted in Genesis and Judges, and, while the New Testament does not explicitly identify the angel with the Son of God, many in church history have identified this messenger as the pre-incarnate Christ.


"The point" is that these folks are not saying this "because Ellen White told them to say it" -- as I am sure we all agree.

And I think Albert Barnes' statement above is correct as even your own scenarios include one where the Angel of the Lord is in fact God - speaking to Moses.
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And your incorrect accusation in the OP
. This is a belief that the SDA have in common with the Jehovah's Witnesses.
is not only a false accusation - but the "Angel of the Lord" topic in general is one where even you can see you do not agree with well known Bible scholarship not at all connected to your topic "Ellen White".
 
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When I point out that

Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary - author Bob McCabe

Albert Barnes
James Burton Coffman
Adam Clarke Commentary
Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary Bob McCabe
-- and R.C.Sproul

All agree that "the Angel of the Lord" instances they reference in the OT are in fact God the Son and that they are not saying this because of "Ellen White"

You respond that you have your reasons for not agreeing with them on the subject of the identity of "the Angel of the Lord"

Bob McCabe is quoted: << The first passage is found in Exodus 3:1–14. >>

In fact, the term "angel of the Lord" appears several times in Genesis. I don't know why McCabe is trying to tell us otherwise.

An article on Angels in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia discusses the meaning of Angel of the Lord.

"A study of these passages shows that while the angel and Yahweh are at times distinguished from each other, they are with equal frequency, and in the same passages, merged into each other. How is this to be explained? It is obvious that these apparitions cannot be the Almighty Himself, whom no man hath seen, or can see."

Later,

"The question still remains, Who is theophanic angel? To this many answers have been given, of which the following may be mentioned: (1) This angel is simply an angel with a special commission; (2) He may be a momentary descent of God into visibility; (3) He may be the Logos, a kind of temporary preincarnation of the second person of the Trinity. Each has its difficulties, but the last is certainly the most tempting to the mind. Yet it must be remembered that at best these are only conjectures that touch on a great mystery. It is certain that from the beginning God used angels in human form, with human voices, in order to communicate with man; and the appearances of the angel of the Lord, with his special redemptive relation to God's people, show the working of that Divine mode of self-revelation which culminated in the coming of the Saviour, and are thus a fore-shadowing of, and a preparation for, the full revelation of God in Jesus Christ. Further than this, it is not safe to go."

If that quote is too complicated, it can be boiled down to two points on the Angel of the Lord.

First, "many answers have been given".
Second, "it is a fore-shadowing and a preparation for ...Jesus Christ. Further than this, it is not safe to go."

Link
Angel in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia.


1. Interesting that you are not dealing with texts that McCabe was pointing out to make the case.
2. your own discussion of it includes explanation "in some ways similar" to all the scholars I point to -

(2) He may be a momentary descent of God into visibility;

It is interesting that your post includes the idea that when the Bible speaks of "the Angel of the Lord" in some texts - it may well be "God" that is the being speaking (for various reasons you give in your own post).
 
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Then who is the "man in linen?"

The Son of God was never an angel.

Hebrews 1:5-6 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
5 God never said this to any of the angels:

“You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father.”

God also never said about an angel,

“I will be his Father,
and he will be my son.”

6 And then, when God presents his firstborn Son to the world,[a] he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Jude 9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.
 
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The words of the angel, “I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God,” show that he holds a position of high honor in the heavenly courts. When he came with a message to Daniel, he said, “There is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your Prince.” Daniel 10:21. Of Gabriel the Saviour speaks in the Revelation, saying that “He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.” Revelation 1:1. And to John the angel declared, “I am a fellow servant with thee and with thy brethren the prophets.” Revelation 22:9, R.V. Wonderful thought—that the angel who stands next in honor to the Son of God is the one chosen to open the purposes of God to sinful men.—The Desire of Ages, 97-99.

Ellen G. White Writings
 
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"Today, we continue to discuss the vision the statesman, Daniel, had, toward the end of his life. In vision, he saw the Son of God(Prince Michael) in his priestly garb. Gabriel, the angel, testified about how Michael fights for His people against the evil forces affecting the world. Gabriel proceeded to tell Daniel about two warring powers, “The King of the North” and “The King of the South” who fight each other in the future and adversely affect people aligned with Daniel’s God." News Bulletin 27 - North & South Conflict – Seventh-day Adventist Church Official Web Site

It would be best for our SDA friends to explain their belief. The quote is from the SDA Church.
 
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Total Hits: 9 for Ellen G. White Writings

1. Confrontation, p. 26.2 (Ellen G. White) (83%)
Christ resurrected Moses, and took him to heaven. This enraged Satan, and he accused the Son of God of invading his dominion by robbing the grave of his lawful prey. Jude says of the resurrection of Moses, “Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”
2. Redemption; or the Temptation of Christ in The Wilderness, p. 24.1 (Ellen G. White) (83%)
Christ resurrected Moses, and took him to Heaven. This enraged Satan, and he accused the Son of God of invading his dominion by robbing the grave of his lawful prey. Jude says of the resurrection of Moses, “Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil, he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”
3. The Truth About Angels, p. 152.3 (Ellen G. White) (66%)
The words of the angel, “I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God,” show that he holds a position of high honor in the heavenly courts. When he came with a message to Daniel, he said, “There is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your Prince.” Daniel 10:21. Of Gabriel the Saviour speaks in the Revelation, saying that “He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.” Revelation 1:1. And to John the angel declared, “I am a fellow servant with thee and with thy brethren the prophets.” Revelation 22:9, R.V. Wonderful thought—that the angel who stands next in honor to the Son of God is the one chosen to open the purposes of God to sinful men.—The Desire of Ages, 97-99.
4. The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 2, p. 330.1 (Ellen G. White) (66%)
As it was, Moses passed through death, but the Son of God came down from Heaven and resurrected him before his body had seen corruption. Though Satan contended with Michael for the body of Moses, and claimed it as his rightful prey, he could not prevail against the Son of God, and Moses, with a resurrected and glorified body, was borne to the courts of Heaven, and was now one of the honored two, commissioned by the Father to wait upon his Son.
5. The Desire of Ages, p. 99.1 (Ellen G. White) (66%)
The words of the angel, “I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God,” show that he holds a position of high honor in the heavenly courts. When he came with a message to Daniel, he said, “There is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael [Christ] your Prince.” Daniel 10:21. Of Gabriel the Saviour speaks in the Revelation, saying that “He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John.” Revelation 1:1. And to John the angel declared, “I am a fellow servant with thee and with thy brethren the prophets.” Revelation 22:9, R. V. Wonderful thought—that the angel who stands next in honor to the Son of God is the one chosen to open the purposes of God to sinful men.
6. The Review and Herald March 3, 1874 paragraph 13 (Ellen G. White) (66%)
Christ resurrected Moses and took him to heaven. This enraged Satan, and he accused the Son of God of invading his dominion by robbing the grave of his lawful prey. Jude says of the resurrection of Moses, “Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”
7. Redemption: Or the Miracles of Christ, the Mighty One, p. 119.1 (Ellen G. White) (44%)
As it was, Moses passed through death, but the Son of God came down from Heaven and resurrected him before his body had seen corruption. Though Satan contended with Michael for the body of Moses, and claimed it as his rightful prey, he could not prevail against the Son of God, and Moses, with a resurrected and glorified body, was borne to the courts of Heaven, and was now one of the honored two, commissioned by the Father to wait upon his Son.
8. Prophets and Kings, p. 571.2 (Ellen G. White) (28%)
While Satan was striving to influence the highest powers in the kingdom of Medo-Persia to show disfavor to God's people, angels worked in behalf of the exiles. The controversy was one in which all heaven was interested. Through the prophet Daniel we are given a glimpse of this mighty struggle between the forces of good and the forces of evil. For three weeks Gabriel wrestled with the powers of darkness, seeking to counteract the influences at work on the mind of Cyrus; and before the contest closed, Christ Himself came to Gabriel's aid. “The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days,” Gabriel declares; “but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.” Daniel 10:13. All that heaven could do in behalf of the people of God was done. The victory was finally gained; the forces of the enemy were held in check all the days of Cyrus, and all the days of his son Cambyses, who reigned about seven and a half years.
9. The Review and Herald December 5, 1907 paragraph 3 (Ellen G. White) (28%)
In this vision of the prophet, the angel Gabriel declared: “The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.” For three weeks Gabriel had been wrestling with the powers of darkness, and seeking to counteract the influences at work on the mind of King Cyrus. Before the contest closed, Christ himself came to Gabriel's help. All that heaven could do in behalf of the people of God, was done. The victory was finally gained, and the forces of the enemy were held in check all the days of Cyrus, who reigned for seven years, and all the days of his son Cambyses, who reigned about seven years and a half.
 
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Obviously you did not read the post---Jesus is not a created angel---no way no how. He is God. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus also has some 200 names and titles, and Michael is just one of those. It is not from EGW, certainly not from the devil---if you read the scriptures it says it all right there. Like I said, you're just going by what you were taught, what someone told you, tradition, not from actual study of scripture.
But you are free to believe whatever you want.
If Michael the archangel is a name of Jesus and Jesus is also called Lord. Then you will need to address the following verse.

Jude 1:9
But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Michael the archangel appealed to a higher authority, the Lord. So we see that Michael is not Jesus.
 
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The Son of God was never an angel.

Hebrews 1:5-6 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
5 God never said this to any of the angels:

“You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father.”

God also never said about an angel,

“I will be his Father,
and he will be my son.”

6 And then, when God presents his firstborn Son to the world,[a] he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Jude 9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

We never said He was! He is God, He is the Son of God---Michael, the archangel is a TITLE---just like He is also called The Lamb, doesn't mean He is a real Lamb! Read post #24---angels are not worshipped, they can not just by their presence make anything Holy---yet Michael is worshipped and says that the place is holy.
 
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If Michael the archangel is a name of Jesus and Jesus is also called Lord. Then you will need to address the following verse.

Jude 1:9
But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Michael the archangel appealed to a higher authority, the Lord. So we see that Michael is not Jesus.

Jesus also referred to His Father as the Lord---are you of the opinion that an angel raises the dead? Not one instance of that in the bible. Yet, Moses is raised from the dead.
 
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Jesus also referred to His Father as the Lord---are you of the opinion that an angel raises the dead? Not one instance of that in the bible. Yet, Moses is raised from the dead.
An archangel is not the Lord. People referred to Jesus as Lord.

1 Thessalonians 2:15
Who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out.

Show me one verse that calls Michael by the title, 'the Lord'.

An angel or even an archangel cannot raise the dead.
 
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An archangel is not the Lord. People referred to Jesus as Lord.

1 Thessalonians 2:15
Who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out.

Show me one verse that calls Michael by the title, 'the Lord'.

An angel or even an archangel cannot raise the dead.


Michael raised Moses. Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

What do you think they were contending over the body of Moses? You did not read post #24 did you?
 
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Michael raised Moses. Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

What do you think they were contending over the body of Moses? You did not read post #24 did you?
Where does it say that Michael raised Moses?
 
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Where does it say that Michael raised Moses?


What do you think Satan would be contending about Moses---he was dead and buried---Michael was there to raise Him up. No other reason for Satan to "content". Still have not read post #24 have you?
No sense in continuing with you if you are not going to read my post. I'm bowing out until then.
 
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Michael raised Moses. Jud_1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

What do you think they were contending over the body of Moses? You did not read post #24 did you?
I just read your post (#24). Still I cannot find the scripture that says that Michael raised Moses.

If you make a claim, you must quote the scripture that clearly supports your claim.

Jude 9
But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses...

There was an argument over the body of Moses and that is all this verse says.

How you get that an archangel raised the dead from this verse 9 in Jude, is puzzling.
 
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What do you think Satan would be contending about Moses---he was dead and buried---Michael was there to raise Him up. No other reason for Satan to "content". Still have not read post #24 have you?
No sense in continuing with you if you are not going to read my post. I'm bowing out until then.
Bow out if you wish. The verse in Jude cannot undergo an interpretation that allows Michael to resurrect Moses.
 
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We never said He was! He is God, He is the Son of God---Michael, the archangel is a TITLE---just like He is also called The Lamb, doesn't mean He is a real Lamb! Read post #24---angels are not worshipped, they can not just by their presence make anything Holy---yet Michael is worshipped and says that the place is holy.
You spell 'worshipped' with only one 'p'.

Your confusing an archangel with the angel of the Lord.

The angel of the Lord speaks as God in the first person.

Michael does not represent God in the first person.
 
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