Question for rapture people

ewq1938 said:

So, despite popular belief, the 40+ chapters of Ezekiel are not the Millennium, and are not of the eternity. It was a vision of how God wanted Israel to live under the old covenant and how to worship Him rather than how they had been doing it. It was a "plumb line" that was meant to be used as a guide. It was not prophecy.

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Ezekiel 40 to 48 IS prophecy.
Just a guide? You simply haven't read it properly, it is a plain description of what will happen when we Christians go to live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 60:1-5, Isaiah 49:8, Romans 9:24-26, Psalms 37:9, +
It relates to the period between the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, that will clear and cleanse the entire Middle East, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +, and the Return of Jesus.
A period of about 15 years, which is what Revelation 6:12 to 19:11, is all about.

keras said:

The Lord will kick out the fake Israel from the holy Land. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Amos 2:4-5, +

We will do as God requires. He will want us to make offerings in His holy Temple. Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 40 to 46, Jeremiah 33:11, Zechariah 14:20-21

There is no scriptural support for this.
Immortality is only given to those whose names are found in the Book of Life, opened at the GWT Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.​

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Yes SCripture is clear that God is going to purge the unbelieving Jew out of Israel. 2/3 of all Israelis will die in the 70th week of Daniel. The remaining 1/3 will have the veil removed, their hearts unhardened and will accept Christ as Savior and say "blessed is He...." But the Body of Christ ended at the rapture before the 70th week starts.

Jer. 33 is not a ohysical sacrifice. We bring the same sacrifice in Gods temple now!

Is. 56 cannot be the Millenial Temple. Burnt offerings were sin offerings and those are done forever!

Is. is the practices of the temple during the 70th week of Daniel before the millenial in the first half of the trib period.

Zech. t is possible there may be wave and sheave offerings and peace offerings, that is not clear, but burntofferings are done forever.!

ewq1938 said:

That's not correct. The church began with Jews/Israel. The church has always been true Israel in Christ from it's beginning and continues to be that way today but with the inclusion of gentiles into this church. It is the same with the concept of the bride of Christ and the body of Christ. The bride and body started with Jews/Israel. Gentiles that accept Christ are grafted into these concepts and become part of the Church, part of the bride, part of the body and part of the great olive tree which has many of the natural Jewish branches since the ministry of Christ and beyond.

You claim certain Christians have somehow "kicked out" unbelieving Jews but that isn't true either. God is the one who removed those branches not anyone else.

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Well as I was answwering Karas this is different.

But I fully agree that some of the natural branches have been removed because of unbelief, but there is coming a time wqhen all Israel will be saved! That is Gods promise and that is what is being rejected by the one this orignal answer was to.

ewq1938 said:

So, can you explain why priests die in the so called Millennium chapters of Ezekiel?

Ezekiel 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.

Or perhaps these chapters aren't talking about the future Millennium? If that is true, then the temple described is also not part of the future.

Also, after the resurrection doesn't marriage cease to exist?

Mat_22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Nothing about these chapters match what we do know about life in the Millennium after the resurrection.

Ezekiel 43:10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.


This is the reason of the vision. It is for Israel to compare themselves and their practices against this vision of what God desires of them. God has always instructed Israel in the right way to live and serve Him, yet Israel usually failed to adhere to God's wishes.


Ezekiel 43:11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

The vision was merely setting a standard whereby the Israelites of the time were to know how everything was supposed to work, and they were to "do them" according to how things were laid out in the vision. The vision was not a look into the future, it is not prophecy. It was what God wanted from that current day Israel or possibly a soon to come Israel that followed God's commandments perfectly according to the old covenant. However, they were not able to meet God's requirements perfectly and never carried forth their lives as God wanted in these chapters, nor did they even build this new temple. It shall not be built as it no longer applies to we that live under the new covenant.

So, despite popular belief, the 40+ chapters of Ezekiel are not the Millennium, and are not of the eternity. It was a vision of how God wanted Israel to live under the old covenant and how to worship Him rather than how they had been doing it. It was a "plumb line" that was meant to be used as a guide. It was not prophecy.

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Well this is a temple that must be built! so it shall be.

I can give you opinion about the priests. Jews and gentiles that enter the millenial kingdom as survivors of the tribulation, will repopulate the earth! There will be no burnt offerings (as they are sin offerings). Children born in the millenium will have till their 100th birthday to receive Jesus as Messiah. If not they shall be killed (this is in Isaiah 65). So it is possible that may be the answer. In some of the OT passages there are prophecies that are kind of murky and opinions abound as to their exact meaning. as to teh temple and sacrifice- it is not the Old Mosaic covenant which has been nullified!

nolidad said:

Yes SCripture is clear that God is going to purge the unbelieving Jew out of Israel. 2/3 of all Israelis will die in the 70th week of Daniel. The remaining 1/3 will have the veil removed, their hearts unhardened and will accept Christ as Savior and say "blessed is He...." But the Body of Christ ended at the rapture before the 70th week starts.

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You conveniently miss out how that 1/3rd will be passed thru fire and refined, only those who call upon His Name, [Jesus] will be saved. Zech 13:6

Why don't you read ALL of what the Bible has to say about the fate of Jewish Israel?
Isaiah 6:11-13 ...the land will devastated and the Lord will drive the people out. Even if a tenth part were to remain, they too will be destroyed and only a stump will survive; a holy seed.
Amos 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 21:1-7, plus many other prophesies all say the Jews will be decimated by the Lord. Proved by Romans 9:24-27 as yet in the future.

Your belief of a 'rapture to heaven' is never prophesied to happen.
Jeremiah 50:4-5 says that Israel; the faithful Christians and Judah; the Messianic Jews will come together and go back to all of the holy Land, under a new Covenant with the Lord. As per Ezekiel 37
Jeremiah 50:20 At that time, the sins of Judah and Israel will not be found, for I will pardon the remnant who survive.

I suggest that you clear your mind of teachings that are not clearly stated in the Bible.
Then read the Bible for what it actually does say; the Lord plans great things for His faithful people!

ewq1938 said:

Clearly this is further proof these chapters are not talking about the thousand years of Revelation 20. This temple and the things to be done inside of it was only for life under the first covenant. Once the second covenant came, all of what Ezekiel described was no longer going to take place.

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What Ezekiel 40-48 IS prophesying about is the period between the Lord's Day of fiery wrath, that will change the world and the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.

Read it again with this truth in mind and this and many other prophesies will make sense.
It will be just a time of about 12 to 15 years, but much is prophesied to happen in then.

keras said:

You conveniently miss out how that 1/3rd will be passed thru fire and refined, only those who call upon His Name, [Jesus] will be saved. Zech 13:6

Why don't you read ALL of what the Bible has to say about the fate of Jewish Israel?
Isaiah 6:11-13 ...the land will devastated and the Lord will drive the people out. Even if a tenth part were to remain, they too will be destroyed and only a stump will survive; a holy seed.
Amos 2:4-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 21:1-7, plus many other prophesies all say the Jews will be decimated by the Lord. Proved by Romans 9:24-27 as yet in the future.

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I have said the 1/3 often. YOu must have missed it!

I have read teh OT and NT promises of God towards Israel both good and bad. But God has made unconditional everlasting covenants with the people called Israel from teh 12 tribes and He will keep them, inclsuding giving them a kingdom to rule over -the whole earth!

Acts 1:
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

This passage alone should tell you that Israel is Israel and the church is the church!

keras said:

Your belief of a 'rapture to heaven' is never prophesied to happen.
Jeremiah 50:4-5 says that Israel; the faithful Christians and Judah; the Messianic Jews will come together and go back to all of the holy Land, under a new Covenant with the Lord. As per Ezekiel 37
Jeremiah 50:20 At that time, the sins of Judah and Israel will not be found, for I will pardon the remnant who survive.

I suggest that you clear your mind of teachings that are not clearly stated in the Bible.
Then read the Bible for what it actually does say; the Lord plans great things for His faithful people!

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Adding personal thoughts to teh Scriptures is a dangerous game.

BTW I did not say the rapture is for us to be forever in heaven, It is for us to be with Jesus wherever He is!

During the trib we are in heaven going through the Bema judgment to have our bad works removed and to be fitted for our wedding dress. in REv. 19 we wed Jesus in heaven just as it says without opinion and then we return with HIm to celebrate the marriage supper of the Lamb!

ewq1938 said:

One is only truly Israel if still attached to that tree. Any branch not attached to it will not be saved.

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Correct. They are as Paul said , the Israel of God! Just being born of one of the 12 tribes does not guarentee salvation.

ewq1938 said:

The text says otherwise:

Ezekiel 43:18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
Ezekiel 43:19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 43:20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
Ezekiel 43:21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
Ezekiel 43:22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
Ezekiel 43:23 When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish.
Ezekiel 43:24 And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
Ezekiel 43:25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish.
Ezekiel 43:26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves.
Ezekiel 43:27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD.


Ezekiel 44:11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

Ezekiel 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:


Ezekiel 44:29 They shall eat the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be theirs.
Ezekiel 44:30 And the first of all the firstfruits of all things, and every oblation of all, of every sort of your oblations, shall be the priest's: ye shall also give unto the priest the first of your dough, that he may cause the blessing to rest in thine house.
Ezekiel 44:31 The priests shall not eat of any thing that is dead of itself, or torn, whether it be fowl or beast.


Ezekiel 45:14 Concerning the ordinance of oil, the bath of oil, ye shall offer the tenth part of a bath out of the cor, which is an homer of ten baths; for ten baths are an homer:
Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 45:16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel.
Ezekiel 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Ezekiel 45:18 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary:
Ezekiel 45:19 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court.
Ezekiel 45:20 And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erreth, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house.
Ezekiel 45:21 In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.
Ezekiel 45:22 And upon that day shall the prince prepare for himself and for all the people of the land a bullock for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 45:23 And seven days of the feast he shall prepare a burnt offering to the LORD, seven bullocks and seven rams without blemish daily the seven days; and a kid of the goats daily for a sin offering.
Ezekiel 45:24 And he shall prepare a meat offering of an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and an hin of oil for an ephah.
Ezekiel 45:25 In the seventh month, in the fifteenth day of the month, shall he do the like in the feast of the seven days, according to the sin offering, according to the burnt offering, and according to the meat offering, and according to the oil.


Ezekiel 46:4 And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Ezekiel 46:5 And the meat offering shall be an ephah for a ram, and the meat offering for the lambs as he shall be able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.
Ezekiel 46:6 And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.
Ezekiel 46:7 And he shall prepare a meat offering, an ephah for a bullock, and an ephah for a ram, and for the lambs according as his hand shall attain unto, and an hin of oil to an ephah.

Ezekiel 46:11 And in the feasts and in the solemnities the meat offering shall be an ephah to a bullock, and an ephah to a ram, and to the lambs as he is able to give, and an hin of oil to an ephah.
Ezekiel 46:12 Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily unto the LORD, one shall then open him the gate that looketh toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth one shall shut the gate.
Ezekiel 46:13 Thou shalt daily prepare a burnt offering unto the LORD of a lamb of the first year without blemish: thou shalt prepare it every morning.
Ezekiel 46:14 And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a meat offering continually by a perpetual ordinance unto the LORD.
Ezekiel 46:15 Thus shall they prepare the lamb, and the meat offering, and the oil, every morning for a continual burnt offering.

Ezekiel 46:20 Then said he unto me, This is the place where the priests shall boil the trespass offering and the sin offering, where they shall bake the meat offering; that they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people.
Ezekiel 46:21 Then he brought me forth into the utter court, and caused me to pass by the four corners of the court; and, behold, in every corner of the court there was a court.
Ezekiel 46:22 In the four corners of the court there were courts joined of forty cubits long and thirty broad: these four corners were of one measure.
Ezekiel 46:23 And there was a row of building round about in them, round about them four, and it was made with boiling places under the rows round about.
Ezekiel 46:24 Then said he unto me, These are the places of them that boil, where the ministers of the house shall boil the sacrifice of the people.




Clearly this is further proof these chapters are not talking about the thousand years of Revelation 20. This temple and the things to be done inside of it was only for life under the first covenant. Once the second covenant came, all of what Ezekiel described was no longer going to take place.

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No we are talking the trib temple. whether it survives into the Millenium the bible does not say!

nolidad said:

I have said the 1/3 often. YOu must have missed it!

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What you missed, is that 1/3rd will pass thru fire and only a remnant will survive.
Zechariah 13:9, Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 4:3, Romans 9:27

nolidad said:

I have read teh OT and NT promises of God towards Israel both good and bad. But God has made unconditional everlasting covenants with the people called Israel from teh 12 tribes and He will keep them, inclsuding giving them a kingdom to rule over -the whole earth!

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But you know that the Jews are just 2/12ths of all Israel.
Plus the known fact that a lot of those who claim Jewish descent, are not at all. The Kharzas for example.
Anyway Romans 11:17-24, makes it clear that we Gentiles are grafted into the Tree and once we are admitted in full strength, then it will be that all of the Israel of God are saved. All of the faithful Christians, who include the Jewish remnant.

nolidad said:

No we are talking the trib temple. whether it survives into the Millenium the bible does not say!

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This is right; There will be a Temple during the GT and when Jesus Returns, the Temple will be cleansed of the desecration that Paul mentions in 2 Thess 2:4.

nolidad said:

I have said the 1/3 often. YOu must have missed it!

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What you missed, is that 1/3rd will pass thru fire and only a remnant will survive.
Zechariah 13:9, Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 4:3, Romans 9:27

nolidad said:

I have read teh OT and NT promises of God towards Israel both good and bad. But God has made unconditional everlasting covenants with the people called Israel from teh 12 tribes and He will keep them, inclsuding giving them a kingdom to rule over -the whole earth!

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But you know that the Jews are just 2/12ths of all Israel.
Plus the known fact that a lot of those who claim Jewish descent, are not at all. The Kharzas for example.
Anyway Romans 11:17-24, makes it clear that we Gentiles are grafted into the Tree and once we are admitted in full strength, then it will be that all of the Israel of God are saved. All of the faithful Christians, who include the Jewish remnant.

nolidad said:

No we are talking the trib temple. whether it survives into the Millenium the bible does not say!

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This is right; There will be a Temple during the GT and when Jesus Returns, the Temple will be cleansed of the desecration that Paul mentions in 2 Thess 2:4.

keras said:

What you missed, is that 1/3rd will pass thru fire and only a remnant will survive.
Zechariah 13:9, Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 4:3, Romans 9:27

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What you missed is that the fire is the refiners fire to purify that 1/3rd.

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

We cannot have a decent discussion if you don't read passages correctly!

keras said:

But you know that the Jews are just 2/12ths of all Israel.
Plus the known fact that a lot of those who claim Jewish descent, are not at all. The Kharzas for example.
Anyway Romans 11:17-24, makes it clear that we Gentiles are grafted into the Tree and once we are admitted in full strength, then it will be that all of the Israel of God are saved. All of the faithful Christians, who include the Jewish remnant.

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Your point of Jewish descent is irrelevant. I think God knows who is of the 12 tribes- despite all the protestations.

Also puling a text out of a context makes it a pretext!

Romans 11:
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

The entire context of this passage is Israel and Gentiles (not faithful Christians whom you think is Israel.)

The tree is the place of blessing. Remember we gentiles are partakers of the covenant, not taker overs! Paul re-iterates that teh Covenant is to all the 12 tribes called Israel. we Gentiles are joined to teh place of blessing! we do not become the Israel of God. That is believing Jews!

keras said:

This is right; There will be a Temple during the GT and when Jesus Returns, the Temple will be cleansed of the desecration that Paul mentions in 2 Thess 2:4.

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This is correct. There is a total of 75 days from Jesus return to the start of teh Millenial Kingdom on a restored earth! Part of that interval is the jduging of the nations to separate the sheep from the goats, part is for the removal of the abomination of desolation and part is a 30 day mourning period.

nolidad said:

We cannot have a decent discussion if you don't read passages correctly!

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We cannot even get started, if you don't use all of the prophesies that pertain to God's plans for the House of Judah.
Zechariah 13:9 never says that all of that 1/3 will be His people. We know they are not from Isaiah 6:13, Romans 9:27 and many other verses that tell of the virtual demise of the apostate Jews. Isaiah 22:14
It is your false belief of a Jewish redemption, as part of the 'rapture' theory, why you avoid the Bible truth.

nolidad said:

This is correct. There is a total of 75 days from Jesus return to the start of teh Millenial Kingdom on a restored earth! Part of that interval is the jduging of the nations to separate the sheep from the goats, part is for the removal of the abomination of desolation and part is a 30 day mourning period.

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I am glad we agree on this.

keras said:

We cannot even get started, if you don't use all of the prophesies that pertain to God's plans for the House of Judah.
Zechariah 13:9 never says that all of that 1/3 will be His people. We know they are not from Isaiah 6:13, Romans 9:27 and many other verses that tell of the virtual demise of the apostate Jews. Isaiah 22:14
It is your false belief of a Jewish redemption, as part of the 'rapture' theory, why you avoid the Bible truth.

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I agree! we cannot get started if you reject the plain language of Gods Word!

Zechariah 13:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

So you can understand.

Verse 8 2/3 shall die!!!!
verse 9, the one third will be refined, they shall call on HIs name and they will be Gods people.

Why you do not see that is beyond me.

nolidad said:

Verse 8 2/3 shall die!!!!
verse 9, the one third will be refined, they shall call on HIs name and they will be Gods people.

Why you do not see that is beyond me.

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Zechariah 13:9 dies not say all of those passed thru fire and refined will become My people. You wrongly assume that.

Your avoidance of the other verses about the forthcoming punishment of Judah shows a wrong belief of the continuation of the Jewish State of Israel, while you; the Church skives off to heaven.
Isaiah 6:11-13 puts it plainly:...only a holy seed will remain.
Ezekiel 21:1-16 even says: I will draw My Sword and cut off even the righteous and the wicked out of the Land of Israel.

As for the King James Version, in big bolded type;
Reliance on that flawed Bible, dedicated to the Glory of King James, is a big part of your difficulty in understanding scriptural truths.

keras said:

Zechariah 13:9 dies not say all of those passed thru fire and refined will become My people. You wrongly assume that.

Your avoidance of the other verses about the forthcoming punishment of Judah shows a wrong belief of the continuation of the Jewish State of Israel, while you; the Church skives off to heaven.
Isaiah 6:11-13 puts it plainly:...only a holy seed will remain.
Ezekiel 21:1-16 even says: I will draw My Sword and cut off even the righteous and the wicked out of the Land of Israel.

As for the King James Version, in big bolded type;
Reliance on that flawed Bible, dedicated to the Glory of King James, is a big part of your difficulty in understanding scriptural truths.

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Zech. 13:9
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

If you cannot see that the third are the ones saved- you have a bigger problem than just rejecting Israel as Israel.

there is no perfect English Bible. But if Zech. 13:9 is translated in error from the Hebrew- I await your evidence to show why one should change their mind!

But here are 32 other translations:

New International Version
This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"

New Living Translation
I will bring that group through the fire and make them pure. I will refine them like silver and purify them like gold. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘These are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’”

English Standard Version
And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The LORD is my God.’”

Berean Study Bible
This third I will bring through the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on My name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’”

New American Standard Bible
"And I will bring the third part through the fire, Refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them; I will say, 'They are My people,' And they will say, 'The LORD is my God.'"

New King James Version
I will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, ‘This is My people’; And each one will say, ‘The LORD is my God.’ ”

King James Bible
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Christian Standard Bible
I will put this third through the fire; I will refine them as silver is refined and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say: They are my people, and they will say: The LORD is our God."

Contemporary English Version
Then I will purify them and put them to the test, just as gold and silver are purified and tested. They will pray in my name, and I will answer them. I will say, "You are my people," and they will reply, "You, LORD, are our God!"

Good News Translation
And I will test the third that survives and will purify them as silver is purified by fire. I will test them as gold is tested. Then they will pray to me, and I will answer them. I will tell them that they are my people, and they will confess that I am their God."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I will put this third through the fire; I will refine them as silver is refined and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer them. I will say: They are My people, and they will say: Yahweh is our God."

International Standard Version
And I will bring that surviving third through, testing them as if through fire, purifying them like silver, assaying them like gold. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, 'This is my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is my God.'"

NET Bible
Then I will bring the remaining third into the fire; I will refine them like silver is refined and will test them like gold is tested. They will call on my name and I will answer; I will say, 'These are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is my God.'"

New Heart English Bible
I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will test them like gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say, 'It is my people;' and they will say, 'The LORD is my God.'"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I will bring this third [of the people] through the fire. I will refine them as silver is refined. I will test them as gold is tested. They will call on me, and I will answer them. I will say, 'They are my people.' They will reply, 'The LORD is our God.'"

JPS Tanakh 1917
And I will bring the third part through the fire, And will refine them as silver is refined, And will try them as gold is tried; They shall call on My name, And I will answer them; I will say: 'It is My people', And they shall say: 'The LORD is my God.'

New American Standard 1977
“And I will bring the third part through the fire, Refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, And I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are My people,’ And they will say, ‘The LORD is my God.’”

King James 2000 Bible
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will test them as gold is tested: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, They are my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

American King James Version
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

American Standard Version
And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people; and they shall say, Jehovah is my God.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and I will try them as silver is tried, and I will prove them as gold is proved: they shall call upon my name, and I will hear them, and say, This is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.

Darby Bible Translation
And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will answer them: I will say, It is my people; and they shall say, Jehovah is my God.

English Revised Version
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people; and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Webster's Bible Translation
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people; and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

World English Bible
I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will test them like gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say, 'It is my people;' and they will say, 'Yahweh is my God.'"

Young's Literal Translation
And I have brought the third into fire, And refined them like a refining of silver, And have tried them like a trying of gold, It doth call in My name, and I answer it, I have said, 'My people it is,' And it saith, 'Jehovah is my God!'

Just in case you have forgotten basic grammar, the personal (and impersonal in youngs) refer to that 1/3 you say will not all get saved! God says He will take that 1/3 that is left and call them My people!

Unless of course all 32 translations I just posed all are wrong!

nolidad said:

Unless of course all 32 translations I just posed all are wrong!

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Not wrong, but not the full picture.
I repeat:

keras said:

Zechariah 13:9 does not say all of those passed thru fire and refined will become My people. You wrongly assume that.

Your avoidance of the other verses about the forthcoming punishment of Judah shows a wrong belief of the continuation of the Jewish State of Israel, while you; the Church skives off to heaven.
Isaiah 6:11-13 puts it plainly:...only a holy seed will remain.
Ezekiel 21:1-16 even says: I will draw My Sword and cut off even the righteous and the wicked out of the Land of Israel. .

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Also many other prophesies prove the virtual demise of apostate Judah in the forthcoming Day of the Lords fiery wrath. Paul says it clearly in Romans 9:27.