My latest chart (number 3)

Douggg said:

Davy those verses are speaking about the revelaed man of sin, the mortally wounded head on the beast before he is brought back to life, a few verses later in Isaiah 14:18-20.

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Who told you that baloney?

Those Isaiah 14 verses I quoted is God speaking about "Lucifer"...

Isa 14:12-16
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.'

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, 'Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms';
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That part in green is God repeating what Lucifer (Satan) said he will do. In verse 15 forward, God is saying what HE will do to him.

That has nothing... to do with one of the seven heads of Rev.13 suffering a deadly wound that is healed, because the "seven heads" are about "seven mountains", areas of the earth concerning his beast kingdom, not a person. The idea that the "man of sin" dies and is then resurrected comes from not understanding what the seven heads are.

Douggg said:

Davy, the issue is not how Satan gets to earth, but once kicked down, whether he will be physically visible as himself. The answer is that Satan will not be immediately physical visible, but will incarnate the abomination of desolation statue during the 42 months... until Jesus returns, turns the statue to ashes, exposing Satan physically visible as his real self.

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I showed you the Scriptures, and you don't believe them as written. See my post 209 and 218.

Douggg said:

Davy, when the Antichrist person commits the transgression of desolation act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood, the bible refers to him in 2Thesslaonians2:3-4, as the son of perdition, the revealed man of sin.

2Thessalonians2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

When Judas betrayed Jesus, Satan entered Judas to carry out the act. Judas therefore at the time was called the son of perdition for that reason.

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Do you not remember 1 John 3:8 that the devil sinned from the beginning, and for this reason was Christ Jesus manifested, to destroy the works of the devil? That title of "man of sin" specifically is another title for the devil himself, because he did the very first sin against God in coveting His throne after he was created perfect to guard it (Ezekiel 28; Isaiah 14).

And did you not know that in John 6:70 that our Lord Jesus called Judas "a devil"? That is why He called Judas a "son of perdition", even though Judas has still yet to be Judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" (no flesh man has been judged to perish yet). However, the devil and his angels have... already been judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" (Isaiah 30:33; Matthew 25:41).

The Antichrist likewise will be entered into by Satan, to carry out the act of betraying the Jews, by going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Sitting in God's seat is something Satan has wanted to do ever since iniquity was found in him.

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That's the favorite tradition of many, that it will be a flesh man possessed by Satan, but there's no Scripture that says that about possession by Satan in the coming Antichrist for the end. That is only assumed.

The tradition of Satan possessing a flesh man is from our Lord Jesus rebuking Peter because of Satan speaking through Peter about preventing Christ's crucifixion (Matthew 16:21-23). Hollywood has taken over that idea a lot too.

One of the reasons why we are shown back in Revelation 12:3-4 about the "red dragon" (Satan) who drew a third of the stars (angels) to earth, is to mark the time of his original rebellion against God, in the old world prior to Adam. The other main reason we are given that piece of info is because of what is attached with it that existed in that time when he did that (see below in red)...

Satan's Rebellion of Old In The Beginning:
Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
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Satan's Rebellion At the End of This World:
Rev 13:1
13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
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The Rev.12 beast had "seven crowns". The Rev.13 beast is to have "ten crowns". The one in Rev.12 is NOT the same one of Rev.13, but they are of the same type. Both are world systems Satan rebels against God's Kingdom with. Satan headed the first one in Rev.12 LITERALLY, in person, with His angels. The reference of his drawing those angels to earth suggests Satan setup his false kingdom of old, on this earth.

This final Rev.13 beast world kingdom for the end of our present world, will be a repeat of Satan's original rebellion back in the old world that God destroyed, Peter's "world that then was".

Why hasn't anyone else noticed this difference between the 'crowns' and that system that had seven being back in the time when Satan rebelled, drawing a third of the angels into rebellion with him?

Douggg said:

Because the Antichrist carries out Satan's desire to sit in God's seat, God has the person killed in Ezekiel 28:1-10; which Isaiah 14:12-14 refers to Satan, while Isaiah 14:15-20 refers to the revealed man of sin who betrays his land (the nation of Israel) and his people (the Jews).

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The Ezek.28 chapter, the whole thing is pretty much about Satan, given as a parable about the flesh prince and king of Tyrus (means 'rock'; God is our "Rock"). Those 1-10 verses are about Satan too. He doesn't die and then get resurrected. That's an idea the pre-trib rapture school created because they don't understand about the "deadly wound" of Rev.13. So... they INSERT that idea into any place they think it will fit.

Rev 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
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That above is about the kingdom beast that's to have 'ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns'. It is NOT the beast king, a person. It's a system. ONE of those "seven heads" suffers a deadly wound that is healed. The personal pronoun "his" is only to show ownership of that beast kingdom. It's not about the Antichrist himself. It's about 'his' kingdom.

We are shown more about those "seven heads" in the Revelation 17:9 verse, that they represent "seven mountains". That's about areas upon the earth. So the meaning is that the beast system, or kingdom, that has seven mountains, has a deadly wound upon ONE of its mountains that is healed.

We are not told when that wound happened, nor which head it happened upon, only that it was healed.

Rev 13:12
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
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Starting at Revelation 13:11 we are told about "another beast", a 2nd beast, a person that comes working signs and miracles to deceive. That is the coming Antichrist. And by that 12th verse we are shown WHICH 'beast' the deadly wound was upon.

The deadly wound was upon the 1st beast, a system, a beast KINGDOM having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

Thus the deadly wound IS NOT about the Antichrist. It is about his coming world kingdom. ONE of seven areas on earth suffered a deadly wound, and it was healed.

Think of that event in relation to what Satan did in the world of old, prior to Adam, when Satan sinned from the beginning like Apostle John said (1 John 3:8). The Rev.12:3-4 system had seven heads, didn't it? Yet that system in Rev.12:3-4 is given linked with the time when Satan drew a third of the stars (angels) to earth with him! Think! It means the deadly wound is a direct parallel to that old beast system of seven crowns; it suffered the deadly wound when God destroyed that old world when Satan first sinned against Him. And now, at the end, for this present world in final, that deadly wound is healed, with Satan coming again for the end of this world.

Douggg said:

The latest update to my 7 year 70th week chart. I changed some text from the "False Prophet has image made Placed in the temple" To "False Prophet has image made Placed on the temple mount"

And show a silhouette of the image, a great statue, that will be the abomination of desolation.

The reason for the update is that the false prophet will gather people or force people to gather to worship the image, bowing to imo. The image will be out in the open on the temple mount. Them who refuse to bow will be killed.

The second reason for the update is that in Ezekiel 28:16-19, God's declaration of Satan's destruction as a terror, there will be a fire come up among him, and turned to ashes as everyone looks on. This will take place at Jesus's return when the outer facade of the statue image will be turn ashes, and Satan exposed. And then the angel with the chain binds Satan and he is cast into the bottomless pit.



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The abomination of the desolation of the temple and Jerusalem, is not a statue?

Douggg said:

It is not the abomination of desolation of Jerusalem. But of the temple.

Please note on my chart the reference to Revelation 13:15. The silholette of the man bowing before the image.

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'Silhouette' of the man, that's how you spell it.

Davy said:

The Ezek.28 chapter, the whole thing is pretty much about Satan, given as a parable about the flesh prince and king of Tyrus (means 'rock'; God is our "Rock"). Those 1-10 verses are about Satan too. He doesn't die and then get resurrected. That's an idea the pre-trib rapture school created because they don't understand about the "deadly wound" of Rev.13. So... they INSERT that idea into any place they think it will fit.

Rev 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
KJV

That above is about the kingdom beast that's to have 'ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns'. It is NOT the beast king, a person. It's a system. ONE of those "seven heads" suffers a deadly wound that is healed. The personal pronoun "his" is only to show ownership of that beast kingdom. It's not about the Antichrist himself. It's about 'his' kingdom.

We are shown more about those "seven heads" in the Revelation 17:9 verse, that they represent "seven mountains". That's about areas upon the earth. So the meaning is that the beast system, or kingdom, that has seven mountains, has a deadly wound upon ONE of its mountains that is healed.

We are not told when that wound happened, nor which head it happened upon, only that it was healed.

Rev 13:12
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
KJV

Starting at Revelation 13:11 we are told about "another beast", a 2nd beast, a person that comes working signs and miracles to deceive. That is the coming Antichrist. And by that 12th verse we are shown WHICH 'beast' the deadly wound was upon.

The deadly wound was upon the 1st beast, a system, a beast KINGDOM having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns.

Thus the deadly wound IS NOT about the Antichrist. It is about his coming world kingdom. ONE of seven areas on earth suffered a deadly wound, and it was healed.

Think of that event in relation to what Satan did in the world of old, prior to Adam, when Satan sinned from the beginning like Apostle John said (1 John 3:8). The Rev.12:3-4 system had seven heads, didn't it? Yet that system in Rev.12:3-4 is given linked with the time when Satan drew a third of the stars (angels) to earth with him! Think! It means the deadly wound is a direct parallel to that old beast system of seven crowns; it suffered the deadly wound when God destroyed that old world when Satan first sinned against Him. And now, at the end, for this present world in final, that deadly wound is healed, with Satan coming again for the end of this world.

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Question: why do you choose "antichrist" for the second beast, rather than the first beast. Most of the evangelical world has the first beast as the Antichrist. (really, they both have the spirit of antichirst.)

tranquil said:

Jesus called down 'fire from heaven' on Pentecost as in Acts 2:1-4.

Both the mortally head wounded 'beast' and the False Prophet have Christ like components that they are imitating.

When the 'antichrist' is 'cut off', then it is a good bet that 50 days later is when the pharmakia/ drugs for sorcery (Revelation 18:23) can/will occur (same time as the 1st Trumpet's Hail & fire (Revelation 8:7) (to imitate being filled with the Holy Spirit).

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Sorry, but NOTHING in chapter 18 in Revelation happens at the time any trumpet sounds. A statement like that is instantly suspect and will be proven wrong.

Douggg said:

klutedavid, care to make a stand in my thread ?

Where do you fit ?

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I hold no firm position in the array of positions in Eschatology. It is better to be free of any possibility of a doctrinal error. You probably have a one in ten chance of being correct anyway, because you have opted into the cesspit of Eschatology. I will keep my shoes clean, thanks anyway.

The 2300 days (evenings/mornings) is for the FIRST
"watch of the night"... there are FOUR "watches of the night"
where are the other three 2300 days periods on your chart?

Douggg said:

I upgraded one of my charts to make it a little clearer.

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At least your third correction is right!

First; Not the Roman empire, Daniel 7:23 is clear; it will be a worldwide government.
Second; That Leader does not become the king of Israel. They, all the Christian peoples, will elect their own leader. Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21

Please correct your corrections.