My latest chart (number 3)

iamlamad said:

I don't believe you have the truth here.

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I quoted directly the Isaiah 14 Scripture where God is mocking Lucifer, calling him but a 'man', and you choose to not believe it. There's the evidence that you choose deception instead of recognizing God's Truth written in His Word.

And just so you know, in the original 1st edition 1611 KJV Bible, in Isaiah 14:12, the KJV translators put in the side margin a note, 'O day starre', for Satan's name there. It's because in the Hebrew of the manuscript passage, the word for 'morning star' is what is actually written. But to make sure the reader well knows that God is actually talking about the devil, the translators put the name "Lucifer" there.

Lucifer, Satan, the dragon, that old serpent, he has many titles, WANTS to be The Morning Star. There is only ONE True Morning Star, and that is our Lord Jesus Christ (Rev.22). But God is mocking Satan there in that Isaiah 14 section with what Satan said he will do in playing God. And in the Isaiah 14:13 verse God repeats what Satan said that he "... will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north."
So do you really... think Satan is going to let any flesh man have that seat that he desires so much?

As for God creating flesh man in His Own Image, that is well written of in Genesis 1:26-27 like I quoted. Since you don't even want to believe that as written, no wonder you're having such problem with understanding much of the rest of His Word. By doubting His Word, He won't show us anything (James 1:5-8).

Douggg said:

I am asking you if the person in the role of the Messiah, forthcoming, will be a man possessed by Satan? Or in a different scenario, no human being involved at all, and Satan presenting himself physically visible as the Messiah person?

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No, I do not believe the coming pseudo-Christ will be a flesh born man. I believe it will be Satan himself, in person, right here on earth, in OUR earthly dimension.

Or don't you believe God's Word that angels can appear here on earth?

This is NOT... about some flesh born man...

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 20:1-3
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV

ANYONE who says that is about some flesh born man reveal they don't really believe a lot of God's Word about the difference between the earthly and heavenly realms.

Douggg said:

Davy, how is it possible for Satan to just appear, and everyone worship him? Do you think he will say he is Satan?

So do think that Satan will be born a little baby, with parents, grow up, go to school, get a job, and rise up in political ranks?

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Apostle Paul said he will exalt himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. Rev.13:4-8 shows the whole world will worship the dragon, except for those whose names were written in the book of life from the foundation of the earth. Revelation says he will ascend from the bottomless pit, which no flesh born man ascends from the bottomless pit.

Revelation 12:7-9 says when the war in Heaven happens and Satan is cast to the earth, then there will be no more place found in Heaven for Satan. That leaves only one other place he can come to, and that is our earthly dimension. It also says his angels are cast out down to the earth with him...

Luke 17:26-27
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
KJV

Who married wives in the days of Noah?

Gen 6:2
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
KJV

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV

So you can laugh all you want, but you only show your ignorance of God's Holy Writ and God's creation, what happened in the past, and what is coming in the future.

Douggg said:

Davy, I am not questioning the scriptures. I am trying to get you to think about the application you are making that Satan will be visibly, physically, as the world dictator for the 42 months - appearing from nowhere.

You never did answer that question.

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I have answered everyone's questions that ask me here on this forum, relating to Biblical issues. So don't use that 'you never...' strategy, for I'm not the one here evading the written Scriptures I've posted. Now I just gave you some more evidence directly from our Lord Jesus' Word. But it's obvious you are stuck in 'can't be' mode instead of actually trying to understand His warnings about Satan and his angels coming to our dimension.

Douggg said:

Davy, you haven't answered my questions at all, which were....

Davy, how is it possible for Satan to just appear, and everyone worship him? Do you think he will say he is Satan?

So do think that Satan will be born a little baby, with parents, grow up, go to school, get a job, and rise up in political ranks?

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God's written Word that I quoted here for you, several times, well answered your questions. If you won't believe God in His Word, why would you believe me?

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV

Dan 7:8
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
KJV

Dan 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
KJV

Dan 11:36-39
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
KJV

Rev 12:15-17
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

Dan 7:21-22
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
KJV

Dan 8:11-12
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
KJV

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

Rev 13:11-15
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
KJV

Douggg said:

Davy, everyone here knows about all of those verses, and believe them to be true. But not everyone here, but you, believes that Satan, an angel, will be physically visible as himself, present among men, over the course of the 42 months.

Davy, how is it possible for Satan to just appear, and everyone worship him? Do you think he will say he is Satan?

So do think that Satan will be born a little baby, with parents, grow up, go to school, get a job, and rise up in political ranks?

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Once again, IF you won't HEED those Scriptures as written, then HOW could I ever convince you that Satan and his angels are coming 'as they are' to this earth?

Douggg said:

Davy, it does not say "as they are". Just the opposite. In Ezekiel 28:17-18 it indicates that Satan will be exposed (from being visibly concealed) to the persons of the earth.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Davy, you need to be able to put those to verses together, to know that abomination of desolation statue image will be incarnated by Satan, and worshiped for the 42 months. At the end of the 42 months, Jesus returns, and turns the statue to ashes - exposing Satan in his physical real self.

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You should have noticed that God said He is going to destroy him UPON THE EARTH, bringing him "...to ashes upon the earth IN THE SIGHT OF ALL THEM THAT BEHOLD THEE."

Did you read that last part I put in capital letters? How's that? Did that say he will be destroyed in Heaven? or on Mars? or inside the earth? under the earth? No. Think!

Why would our Heavenly Father say that "...in the sight of all them that behold thee", meaning those who SEE him perish on the earth???

Davy said:

You should have noticed that God said He is going to destroy him UPON THE EARTH, bringing him "...to ashes upon the earth IN THE SIGHT OF ALL THEM THAT BEHOLD THEE."

Did you read that last part I put in capital letters? How's that? Did that say he will be destroyed in Heaven? or on Mars? or inside the earth? under the earth? No. Think!

Why would our Heavenly Father say that "...in the sight of all them that behold thee", meaning those who SEE him perish on the earth???

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Want to see what God says people will say just PRIOR to Satan's destruction, once he is locked in the pit?

Isa 14:15-16
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
KJV

Satan? with the image of "man"??? Yes!

Douggg said:

Davy, it does not say "as they are". Just the opposite. In Ezekiel 28:17-18 it indicates that Satan will be exposed (from being visibly concealed) to the persons of the earth.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Davy, you need to be able to put those two verses together, to know that abomination of desolation statue image will be incarnated by Satan, and worshiped for the 42 months. At the end of the 42 months, Jesus returns, and turns the statue to ashes - exposing Satan in his physical real self.

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You should have noticed that God said He is going to destroy him UPON THE EARTH, bringing him "...to ashes upon the earth IN THE SIGHT OF ALL THEM THAT BEHOLD THEE."

Did you read that last part I put in capital letters? How's that? Did that say he will be destroyed in Heaven? or on Mars? or inside the earth? under the earth? No. Think!

Why would our Heavenly Father say that "...in the sight of all them that behold thee", meaning those who SEE him perish on the earth???

Want to see what God says people will say just PRIOR to Satan's destruction, once he is locked in the pit?

Isa 14:15-16
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
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Satan? with the image of "man"??? Yes!

Douggg said:

Davy, you need to be able to put those two verses together, to know that abomination of desolation statue image will be incarnated by Satan, and worshiped for the 42 months. At the end of the 42 months, Jesus returns, and turns the statue to ashes - exposing Satan in his physical real self.

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That is a very unusual idea.

The pattern for the "image of the beast" in our Lord's Book of Revelation is actually that of historical Babylon. This is why Rev.14 & 18 repeat the Isaiah 21:9 phrase, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen".

What did Nebuchadnezzar's false prophets trick him into making, and decreeing that all will bow in worship to it at the sound of the Psalter or be killed? A gold image of himself (Daniel 3:1).

Most likely then, the future "image of the beast" will be about some kind of digital image that the whole world can have easy access to in idol worship. It being given life would account for that expression, being a digital image. Only in the 20-21st centuries has such technology been possible.

Douggg said:

Davy, the issue never was where Satan will meet his end. It is here on earth.

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Then why won't you believe the Scriptures of how he gets to earth...

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
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Rev 13:4-7
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
KJV

There are only 2 different dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, the earthly we live in, and the heavenly where God and the angels live, including Satan and his and the dead.

Once Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven, like that Rev.12:8 verse shows, where else can he appear? Don't you understand that he has been able to go between hell, walk this earth, and appear at God's throne all throughout this present world age? But that has ALWAYS been in the heavenly dimension. When he works through or behind some flesh man, he himself does that while in... the heavenly dimension.

BUT... once he is cast down to this earth, and there is no more place found for him in Heaven (Rev.12:8), that means he is no longer... in that dimension! It means he MUST appear in OUR earthly dimension, HERE, de facto, ON EARTH. And that is why it will be possible to see him 'as he is', with the image of man, even once God brings him to ashes on this earth with those on earth seeing it!