Beware of Pre-Tribbers Doomsday Hype

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Well, Kim is not the 'evil one' unless you know something?
So what our Korean brethren are going through isn't a ghastly tribulation be ause it isn't happening to us?
 
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I'm at a loss as to what that's supposed to mean.

What are you going to do to survive while hell literally breaks loose on earth?

The mark was sacrificing to caesar.

Oh ya... I remember that theory from you before...

I guess our money is the mark of the Queen of England then.
 
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I can find no reason why Jesus would leave His Church here to suffer through it

Agreed. You wouldn't leave your new bride with an abusive person to get beaten up before your wedding, would you?
 
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Right now we have laws against religious discrimination. We have multiple leaders of the world, we have free will to worship who we want. No leader has people worship them. We have laws and peace officers.

In the tribulation, there will be one world leader, the false prophet and the beast. The unholy trinity. They will force you to worship the beast. There will be no religion... anywhere. There will be no human rights for those that don't bow to the anti-christ...

This will be world wide... Not like now where much of the world is free. Even in areas where it is not.. God is working and there are underground churches..

The tribulation will be a whole new ball game.

Yeah I am aware of all of that in fact I count on all of that.
Revelation 6:9-11
Revelation 13:15-17

Do you understand what this means for us?
If these events were to start taking place right now, we must be ready to die for our testimony of Jesus Christ. Your own family, best friends, your spouse, your CHILDREN may turn you into the hand of the world government to be killed for your faith.
Starved, imprisoned, beaten, tortured, and ultimately executed.
If there is anything worth dying for like that it's Jesus Christ.
 
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They will be. :)

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Where is the being taken into heaven to escape tribulation?

When the Lord returns and the dead are raised, yes, we go up to meet the returning Lord in the air. But there's nothing there about being taken back up into heaven and escaping tribulation.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Yes, we will all go to be with our Savior. I, however, believe that eternity will not be in heaven. It will be on a new earth and heaven will descend to it.

Right. When the Lord returns in glory, the dead are raised, and God makes all things new. We shall ever be with God in the new heavens and new earth.

I don't know why God would take the Holy Spirit away... we'll ask Him in eternity.. I haven't the time to search for a biblical reason at this time.

Isn't it at all possible that, of course, God isn't going to go back on His word? The Lord says, "I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever," (John 14:16).

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I agree with this scripture.. How can you comfort each other by saying "it's going to be hell on earth but we will get through it"?

"I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world." - John 16:33

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Yeah I am aware of all of that in fact I count on all of that.
Revelation 6:9-11
Revelation 13:15-17

Do you understand what this means for us?
If these events were to start taking place right now, we must be ready to die for our testimony of Jesus Christ. Your own family, best friends, your spouse, your CHILDREN may turn you into the hand of the world government to be killed for your faith.
Starved, imprisoned, beaten, tortured, and ultimately executed.
If there is anything worth dying for like that it's Jesus Christ.
And, comfort one another with those words? Really?
 
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Right. When the Lord returns in glory, the dead are raised, and God makes all things new. We shall ever be with God in the new heavens and new earth.



Isn't it at all possible that, of course, God isn't going to go back on His word? The Lord says, "I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever," (John 14:16).

-CryptoLutheran
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John 14:16 - Commentary & Verse Meaning - Bible

"a Comforter"; such an one Jesus had been to his disciples; and now he was about to leave them, and for their support under their sorrows, he promises to use his interest with his Father, that he would give them another Comforter, meaning the Spirit,
 
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"I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world." - John 16:33

-CryptoLutheran
That's not an answer to what the Great Tribulation brings... That's talking about the things we all face as Christians in every day life.
 
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That's not an answer to what the Great Tribulation brings... That's talking about the things we all face as Christians in every day life.

Jesus said tribulation is a time of testing.

Revelation 3:10

It's also called the time of Jacob's trouble. Not the world's trouble, but Jacob's. It's never called Israel's trouble.

The Jacob/Israel usages aren't as interchangeable as people make it out to be... Jacob is always used to refer to Jacob acting in the flesh, and Israel when he was acting in the spirit

With that constancy, I do believe the time of tribulation will be a final testing of the nation Israel in the flesh.

Their blindedness will be released and they will realize who the Messiah was, repent to Him (144,000), preach the word of God, and just before Jerusalem is crushed by incoming armies, Jesus will return for the second time.

When Jesus returns for his church, it won't actually be a returning down, but a calling up.
 
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Then why is he set loose again for a short time?

At the end of 1000 years New Jerusalem descends from Heaven to the earth with all of GODS people and the wicked dead are resurrected (second resurrection) and satan is loosed to deceive again those that are lost and they surround the city to capture it then every knee shall bow to the LORD then they are cast into the lake of fire to be no more. We shall walk on their ashes. Sin is destroyed along with death.
 
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type and anti-type

Did GODS people go through the plagues of Egypt?
Did GOD not protect them on the way to the promised land?
Did GODS people reach the promised land?
 
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Yes he is symbolically, there is no one for him to deceive thus he is bound here on an empty planet (void of living humans)

Jesus is coming to reign and rule on the earth. The scroll with the seven seals is a title deed of the land... The physical earth will be as it should have been before the fall of man. Instead of the first Adam ruling, it'll be the second Adam. Fulfilling the promises to Israel of the Messiah's Kingdom. The Throne of David.

Jesus said if the days of tribulation were not cut short there would be no flesh saved... The first resurrection will be us ruling and reigning with Him. The people who survive the tribulation will repopulate the physical Earth. Satan will be loosed at the end of the 1000 years because there will be a final testing for those born during the 1000 year reign, before we all enter eternity.
 
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I'll ask you.. what are you going to do for those years.. without any support of any kind.. no food, no ability to buy food, shelter, work, protect yourself... How are you going to do it? Even if it was for only 3.4 years?

Trust in the LORD

Remember the mana that fell for forty years
 
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