Why Can't I Drink Blood?

RDKirk · Mar 19, 2020

Dkh587 said:
Oh yes, I have been reading it frequently lately, and trying to better understand it.

Paul was opposing people who were pushing righteousness based on their manmade commands and laws(what is called the oral law).

the oral law is manmade, and is a manmade attempt at being righteous according to your own ways, which is in opposition to being righteous by believing in God & obeying HIS law.

We know that Paul was not in opposition to obeying God’s law, because he himself kept God’s law Acts of the Apostles 21:24, and taught obedience to it, no matter who you are 1 Corinthians 7:19

Circumcision was not part of the "oral law," and it was the specific, explicit point Paul was talking about.

Dkh587 · Mar 19, 2020

RDKirk said:
Circumcision was not part of the "oral law," and it was the specific, explicit point Paul was talking about.

Where did I say circumcision was part of the oral law?

fwGod · Mar 19, 2020

If you would want to make a case that it is kosher- acceptable, allowable, not sin.. to drink blood.. then provide a Bible scripture that depicts a godly person drinking blood.

RDKirk · Mar 19, 2020

Dkh587 said:
Where did I say circumcision was part of the oral law?

You said:

Paul was opposing people who were pushing righteousness based on their manmade commands and laws(what is called the oral law).

But it was explicitly and specifically that the gentiles were being urged to become circumcised that most irritated Paul. It wasn't, for instance, the dietary code that caused him to declare, "I wish they'd go the whole way and cut off their entire [penises]!"

Dkh587 · Mar 19, 2020

RDKirk said:
You said:

But it was explicitly and specifically that the gentiles were being urged to become circumcised that most irritated Paul. It wasn't, for instance, the dietary code that caused him to declare, "I wish they'd go the whole way and cut off their entire [penises]!"

Paul wasn’t against circumcision completely - in fact, he circumcised somebody himself.

Acts of the Apostles 16:3

Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

This would indicate that the context of the “circumcision” of Galatians 5 was not just circumcising - after all, circumcision is a commandment from God

Genesis 17:10-11

This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

the entire context of Galatians is about salvation through faith/obedience to God, versus salvation through obedience to the oral law of the Pharisees

If Paul circumcises somebody because of peer pressure, and then turns around and seemingly says somebody is cut off from Messiah simply because they get circumcised, that would make him a flip flopper, aka a hypocrite

the Pharisees taught that you cannot he saved except you are circumcised according to their tradition. If the Galatians accepted the circumcision of the Pharisees, they would be rejecting God’s salvation, and seeking salvation through manmade laws. That is why Paul spoke about them being cut off from Christ. To accept Pharisee law, would be to reject Messiah. You can’t have it both ways.

renniks · Mar 20, 2020

Dkh587 said:
Oh yes, I have been reading it frequently lately, and trying to better understand it.

Paul was opposing people who were pushing righteousness based on their manmade commands and laws(what is called the oral law).

the oral law is manmade, and is a manmade attempt at being righteous according to your own ways, which is in opposition to being righteous by believing in God & obeying HIS law.

We know that Paul was not in opposition to obeying God’s law, because he himself kept God’s law Acts of the Apostles 21:24, and taught obedience to it, no matter who you are 1 Corinthians 7:19

Paul also said that for some every day is alike...

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone,H and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to lifeJ)so that he might be the Lord of both the living and the dead.

Marumorose · Mar 20, 2020

HARK! said:
Maybe you can help me? Maybe you can help others. After all, it's not all about me. The truth will benefit everyone. If you have light; why would you put it under a basket?

I am going to try to explain. I hope i make sense to everyone

You can read the Book of Ezekiel from chapter 8 to chapter 10
The children of Israel were worshiping false gods and making sacrifices for them inside the temple of God. God got so angry and he decided to slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children except those with the mark of the cross on their foreheads.
After that, God removed the cherubims and his Glory from the Temple and HE destroyed the Temple.
Ezekiel 11:22-23 " Then the cherubim arose, with their wheels alongside, and the glory of Israel’s God remained above and over them. The glory of the Lord went up from the middle of the city and stood on the mountain, east of the city.(The Glory of God left the city of Jerusalem as well)
Daniel 11:31 says" Armed forces will arise from his midst, and they’ll desecrate the fortified Sanctuary, abolish the daily sacrifice, and establish the destructive desecration"
Daniel 12:11 says"There will be 1,290 days from the time the regular burnt offering is rescinded and the destructive desolation established"
Matthew 24 from chapter 15 (Mark 13:14-23, Luke 21:20-24) talks about the destructive desolation.
Matthew 24:15 says "So when you see the destructive desecration, mentioned by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader take note)"

Ezekiel chapter 8 to 10 talks about the destructive desecration standing in the Holy place and the book of Matthew 24:15-28, Mark 13:14-23 and Luke 21:20 -24 and Daniel 12:5-11 correspond to the book of Ezekiel.

What i am trying to say is that the sacrifices ended because of the destructive desecration in the holy place. The destructive desecration was caused by the children of Israel because they worshiped and made sacrifices for false gods inside the Temple of God

Dkh587 · Mar 20, 2020

renniks said:
Paul also said that for some every day is alike...

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone,H and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to lifeJ)so that he might be the Lord of both the living and the dead.

Paul wasn’t talking about God’s holy days. He was discussing disputable matters, such as people fasting on certain days that others did not fast on.

God decreed his holy days as holy - it’s not a disputable matter. The Sabbath, for example, is decreed as holy/sacred by God. It’s not up to us whether or not we think it’s holy - God already said so.

anything God has already declared is not disputable.

A pig is unclean, for example, because God decreed it so. A pig isn’t clean to you just because you think it is.

renniks · Mar 20, 2020

Dkh587 said:
pig is unclean, for example, because God decreed it so. A pig isn’t clean

Only he changed that rule, so have some bacon.

renniks · Mar 20, 2020

Dkh587 said:
God decreed his holy days as holy - it’s not a disputable matter. The Sabbath, for example, is decreed as holy/sacred by God. It’s not up to us whether or not we think it’s holy - God already said so.

anything God has already declared is not disputable.

Until he declared otherwise through his word.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Again, you don't keep the law anyway, so quit pretending you do.

HARK! · Mar 20, 2020

Marumorose said:
I am going to try to explain. I hope i make sense to everyone

You can read the Book of Ezekiel from chapter 8 to chapter 10
The children of Israel were worshiping false gods and making sacrifices for them inside the temple of God. God got so angry and he decided to slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children except those with the mark of the cross on their foreheads.
After that, God removed the cherubims and his Glory from the Temple and HE destroyed the Temple.
Ezekiel 11:22-23 " Then the cherubim arose, with their wheels alongside, and the glory of Israel’s God remained above and over them. The glory of the Lord went up from the middle of the city and stood on the mountain, east of the city.(The Glory of God left the city of Jerusalem as well)
Daniel 11:31 says" Armed forces will arise from his midst, and they’ll desecrate the fortified Sanctuary, abolish the daily sacrifice, and establish the destructive desecration"
Daniel 12:11 says"There will be 1,290 days from the time the regular burnt offering is rescinded and the destructive desolation established"
Matthew 24 from chapter 15 (Mark 13:14-23, Luke 21:20-24) talks about the destructive desolation.
Matthew 24:15 says "So when you see the destructive desecration, mentioned by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader take note)"

Ezekiel chapter 8 to 10 talks about the destructive desecration standing in the Holy place and the book of Matthew 24:15-28, Mark 13:14-23 and Luke 21:20 -24 and Daniel 12:5-11 correspond to the book of Ezekiel.

What i am trying to say is that the sacrifices ended because of the destructive desecration in the holy place. The destructive desecration was caused by the children of Israel because they worshiped and made sacrifices for false gods inside the Temple of God

I see what you are saying now. Just so you know; I don't drink blood; nor would I. The OP was directed at those who believe that they can ignore what is written in the Torah; that YHWH's laws have been abolished. I'm Torah observant.

Here are sacrifices that we are called to make in absence of a Temple made by hands:

(CLV) Ro 12:1
I am entreating you, then, brethren, by the pities of God, to present your bodies a sacrifice, living, holy, well pleasing to God, your logical divine service,

(CLV) 1Pt 2:5
you, also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, into a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, most acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

Here Paul made a sacrifice at the temple, after Yahshua has ascended:

(CLV) Ac 21:26
Then Paul, taking the men along on the next day, being purified together with them, had been in the sanctuary, publishing the full completion of the days of purification, till w the approach present for each one of them was offered.

Here are some verses concerning sacrifices in the kingdom to come:

Ezekiel 43:

19 And you have given unto the priests, the Levites, who [are] of the seed of Zadok--who are near unto Me, an affirmation of the Lord Yahweh, to serve Me--a calf from the herd, for a sin-offering." 20 And you have taken of its blood, and have put it on its four horns, and on the four corners of its border, and on the border round about, and have cleansed it, and purified it." 21 And you have taken the bullock of the sin-offering, and have burnt it in the appointed place of the house at the outside of the sanctuary." 22 And on the second day you do bring near a kid of the goats, a perfect one, for a sin-offering, and they have cleansed the altar, as they cleansed [it] for the bullock." 23 In your finishing cleansing, you do bring near a calf, a son of the herd, a perfect one, and a ram out of the flock, a perfect one." 24 And you have brought them near before Yahweh, and the priests have cast upon them salt, and have caused them to go up, a burnt-offering to Yahweh." 25 Seven days you do prepare a goat for a sin-offering daily, and a bullock, a son of the herd, and a ram out of the flock, perfect ones, do they prepare." 26 Seven days they purify the altar, and have cleansed it, and filled their hand." 27 And the days are completed, and it has come to pass on the eighth day, and henceforth, the priests prepare on the altar your burnt-offerings and your peace-offerings, and I have accepted you--an affirmation of the Lord Yahweh.'"

Ezekiel 45

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

(CLV) Zch 14:20
In that day there shall be on the horse shades: Holy to Yahweh. And the pots in the house of Yahweh will be like the sprinkling bowls before the altar.

HARK! · Mar 20, 2020

renniks said:
Only he changed that rule, so have some bacon.

No he didn't.

Malachi 3:6
“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

Isaiah 40:8
The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.

renniks · Mar 20, 2020

HARK! said:
No he didn't.

Malachi 3:6
“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

Isaiah 40:8
The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.

Lol, saying God doesn't change is correct. But saying he never changes his laws is incorrect. What was the last burnt sacrifice you offered? Why aren't you following the laws about sacrifices, if God never changes his rules?

HARK! · Mar 20, 2020

renniks said:
Lol, saying God doesn't change is correct. But saying he never changes his laws is incorrect. What was the last burnt sacrifice you offered? Why aren't you following the laws about sacrifices, if God never changes his rules?

I'm not a Levitical Priest; and YHWH hasn't called his people back into the land. You can be sure that the Levitcal priesthood will be practicing the kingdom to come.

Ezekiel 43:

19 And you have given unto the priests, the Levites, who [are] of the seed of Zadok--who are near unto Me, an affirmation of the Lord Yahweh, to serve Me--a calf from the herd, for a sin-offering." 20 And you have taken of its blood, and have put it on its four horns, and on the four corners of its border, and on the border round about, and have cleansed it, and purified it." 21 And you have taken the bullock of the sin-offering, and have burnt it in the appointed place of the house at the outside of the sanctuary." 22 And on the second day you do bring near a kid of the goats, a perfect one, for a sin-offering, and they have cleansed the altar, as they cleansed [it] for the bullock." 23 In your finishing cleansing, you do bring near a calf, a son of the herd, a perfect one, and a ram out of the flock, a perfect one." 24 And you have brought them near before Yahweh, and the priests have cast upon them salt, and have caused them to go up, a burnt-offering to Yahweh." 25 Seven days you do prepare a goat for a sin-offering daily, and a bullock, a son of the herd, and a ram out of the flock, perfect ones, do they prepare." 26 Seven days they purify the altar, and have cleansed it, and filled their hand." 27 And the days are completed, and it has come to pass on the eighth day, and henceforth, the priests prepare on the altar your burnt-offerings and your peace-offerings, and I have accepted you--an affirmation of the Lord Yahweh.'"

Ezekiel 45

(CLV) Isa 56:7
I will bring them also to My holy mountain And make them rejoice in My house of prayer; Their ascent offerings and their sacrifices They shall offer up for acceptance on My altar, For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.

(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

(CLV) Zch 14:20
In that day there shall be on the horse shades: Holy to Yahweh. And the pots in the house of Yahweh will be like the sprinkling bowls before the altar.

(CLV) Zch 14:21
And every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will come to be holy to Yahweh of hosts. And all who are sacrificing will come and take of them and cook in them. And no longer shall there be a trafficker in the house of Yahweh of hosts, in that day.

(CLV) Mal 3:3
And He will sit like a refiner and a cleanser of silver. And He will cleanse the sons of Levi, and purify them like gold and like silver. And they will come to be for Yahweh, bringing close the approach present in righteousness.

(CLV) Mal 3:4
Then the approach present of Judah and Jerusalem will be congenial to Yahweh as in the days of the eon, and as in former years.

Jipsah · Mar 20, 2020

Francis Drake said:
This is plainly not true.
English black pudding is made from blood and sold in countless delis and butchers around the land.

And tastes like you had a tooth pulled. When I have a full English fry up, that's the part that I always try to palm off on one of my mates. Had to try it once, just like the jellied eels.

Jipsah · Mar 20, 2020

HARK! said:
That sounds awfully legalistic. If that were the case; why is it OK to celebrate Christmas, Ishtar, SUNday worship, etc.?

Ishtar may be one of the worst movies ever made

Jipsah · Mar 20, 2020

Religiot said:
If you believe that God doesn't want you to eat strawberries, and you eat them, then you are sinning, not because strawberries are forbidden, but because you thought that God forbade them, and therefore it is your actions to satisfy your desire to disobey that make you unclean.

I think if God had wanted us to eat black pudding He would have made it so it wasn't nasty.

Jipsah · Mar 20, 2020

HARK! said:
I'm not a Levitical Priest; and YHWH hasn't called his people back into the land. You can be sure that the Levitcal priesthood will be practicing the kingdom to come.

Nope.

Jipsah · Mar 20, 2020

HARK! said:
Since all food is now clean; we're wasting valuable resources at the graveyard.

I don't recall any mention of people being on that sheet full of animals that God showed St. Peter and said "Arise, Peter, kill and eat."

Der Alte · Mar 20, 2020

Jipsah said:
And tastes like you had a tooth pulled. When I have a full English fry up, that's the part that I always try to palm off on one of my mates. Had to try it once, just like the jellied eels.

I have been trying to think of an example, having a tooth pulled is good. Why would anyone want to eat blood when it tastes like that?

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