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Ask him. I don't remember those details, which are immaterial anyway, since what he learned FROM THE BIBLE has worked since the BIBLE was written, and worked for him, and worked for many others the last hundred years, without those special treats you like to think are better....

I chose to follow God and the nursing school that God sent me too. I am not buying an old book without a reason to buy it. (the fact you believed it as the Bible isn't enough for me). And you still believing it without remembering any of the pertainant facts doesn't make it true.

I think it is more important to learn the Bible from the Bible and prayer. The extra books are just that extra but not to elevated to the same level or ahead of the Bible.

Ultimately, he died...like the rest of us. I hope he did have a genuine relationship with Jesus.
 
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(the fact you believed it as the Bible isn't enough for me).
mis=quote. Pastor Josephson used theBible, learned from the Bible, what to do, and it worked.
His words are not the Bible, no.
The things you post or believe also must be tested (as mine always are), to verify if they are in line with the Bible or not.
After testing, proving they are in line with the Bible, THEN they can be accepted.
If they are opposed to the Bible, of if they do not work, then they should not be accepted.
 
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I think it is more important to learn the Bible from the Bible and prayer.
GOOD ! That is exactly what many people have done, and verified the Bible is TRUTH.

The testimony of those who have learned the Bible from the Bible and prayer, like Pastor Josephson,
are accepted because they are in line with the Bible, not anything added, nor taken away.
 
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And you still believing it without remembering any of the pertainant facts doesn't make it true.
Once something is tested true, proven in line with Scripture, and it works,
there's no reason to think it changed because details were unknown or forgotten, right ?

A bar of gold a hundred years ago, is still a bar of gold today (and worth a LOT MORE).... even if the test to verify it is pure gold from years ago is lost.
 
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Ultimately, he died...like the rest of us. I hope he did have a genuine relationship with Jesus.
Why doubt him or his wife or his book - it has all been available to be tested for a century, and never anything in it proven wrong so far.
He was one of many who found the Scripture is true, and God can be trusted.
So there are many, many testimonies likewise, from thousands of years ago, and in Scripture too, thru this last century, and the last few years --- all verify by testing that the Bible is truth, from many different directions and perspectives , all in God's Purpose and Plan of Salvation in Jesus.
 
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Once something is tested true, proven in line with Scripture, and it works,
there's no reason to think it changed because details were unknown or forgotten, right ?

A bar of gold a hundred years ago, is still a bar of gold today (and worth a LOT MORE).... even if the test to verify it is pure gold from years ago is lost.

A cancer diagnosis made 100 years ago wouldn't necessarily be diagnosed as cancer today. Not all things are the same. Truth doesn't change but our understanding of truth grows ... and we will never have perfect truth on this side of death.
 
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Why doubt him or his wife or his book - it has all been available to be tested for a century, and never anything in it proven wrong so far.
He was one of many who found the Scripture is true, and God can be trusted.
So there are many, many testimonies likewise, from thousands of years ago, and in Scripture too, thru this last century, and the last few years --- all verify by testing that the Bible is truth, from many different directions and perspectives , all in God's Purpose and Plan of Salvation in Jesus.

It also hasn't been published since it was first published in 1976 so it hasn't been available for a century...and it wasn't seen to be considered important enough to print since then. And where are the reviews that show everyone agreed with his truth.

No, I don't worship people just because they write a book. And a lot of "Christian" books written in the 1970s have been shown to be full of misleading lies and were just riding the tide of the religious fanatics to make profits for pseudo Christians.
 
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A cancer diagnosis made 100 years ago wouldn't necessarily be diagnosed as cancer today. Not all things are the same. Truth doesn't change but our understanding of truth grows ... and we will never have perfect truth on this side of death.
If you had cancer, diagnosed by all your favorite ways and doctors,
and got cured,
and went back to them and they tested again, and verified you did not have cancer
(remember Jesus told some of those healed to go show themselves to the responsible person, to be verified they were healed)
and like those in the Bible who got mad someone was healed,
your favorite doctors got mad, or simply said "our previous tests were wrong - you could not have had cancer, because cancer cannot be healed that way" ...
what would you think then ?

God still heals people today, when there is not too much unbelief.
God still heals people today thru doctors also.

Pastor Josephson was one of many who were healed in the last hundred years.
He was one of a few who published their testimony.

The ones in the last few years who did what the Bible says to do, and were healed in the last few years (i.e. modern tests), would you argue with them also ??
They did what Pastor Josephson did - trusted God's Word, and did what was right.
THen they were healed.
No surprise to anyone who reads the Biblical accounts and believes them.
 
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It also hasn't been published since 1976 so it hasn't been available for a century...and it wasn't seen to be considered important enough to print since then. And where are the reviews that show everyone agreed with his truth.
Seek and you shall find, (if you are seeking the truth).

It seems to cause conflict in your ways, to believe the Bible is truth.

Remember most of the people in the usa do not honor God nor believe His Word is truth - or if they do believe it, they do not do as He says (like the religious leaders who in the Bible (and today) who are opposed to Jesus).

So when people are healed, naturally or by prayer or by a miracle, who believes it? Not many, except superficially.

One difference is , there are ways you can test to see if it is true or not.
This is normal and expected, not to accept something until after you test it.
This is also what the Bible says to do - test, test, test.
 
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If you had cancer, diagnosed by all your favorite ways and doctors,
and got cured,
and went back to them and they tested again, and verified you did not have cancer
(remember Jesus told some of those healed to go show themselves to the responsible person, to be verified they were healed)
and like those in the Bible who got mad someone was healed,
your favorite doctors got mad, or simply said "our previous tests were wrong - you could not have had cancer, because cancer cannot be healed that way" ...
what would you think then ?

God still heals people today, when there is not too much unbelief.
God still heals people today thru doctors also.

Pastor Josephson was one of many who were healed in the last hundred years.
He was one of a few who published their testimony.

The ones in the last few years who did what the Bible says to do, and were healed in the last few years (i.e. modern tests), would you argue with them also ??
They did what Pastor Josephson did - trusted God's Word, and did what was right.
THen they were healed.
No surprise to anyone who reads the Biblical accounts and believes them.

Yes, God heals people of cancer. It happens. It does not mean that this person did something right and another person did that thing wrong. If Josephson was healed because of something he did, then it means God didn't do it...he did. Grace is something given to someone even though they don't deserve it.

I know people who have been healed of cancer simply because it was at an early stage and the immune system did its job. Just because he made a claim that he had cancer does not mean he did. Maybe he did and God healed him. Maybe he had something else. And maybe he made it all up. No way to know the truth.
 
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Seek and you shall find, (if you are seeking the truth).

It seems to cause conflict in your ways, to believe the Bible is truth.

Remember most of the people in the usa do not honor God nor believe His Word is truth - or if they do believe it, they do not do as He says (like the religious leaders who in the Bible (and today) who are opposed to Jesus).

So when people are healed, naturally or by prayer or by a miracle, who believes it? Not many, except superficially.

One difference is , there are ways you can test to see if it is true or not.
This is normal and expected, not to accept something until after you test it.
This is also what the Bible says to do - test, test, test.

You believe Pastor Josephson. For no reason except you read his book. That doesn't mean it is the truth. It doesn't even mean that he actually followed God's Word. We don't know and we have no way of knowing.

You are saying that healthy living is all we need and we will have perfect health. That isn't the recipe for a "miracle" ... if that is all it took, it would be normal living.

Many of the things you claim as healthy living are known to be toxic and toxins...but you chose to believe those that you read without really testing them. Medical information is based on testing...double blind tests when possible...multiple test to prove that the other tests are "normal" and can be repeated. Medicine is also about - test, test, test - to find the truth. And it is an ongoing study. Often by people who are often on their knees in prayer for guidance. The value of faith and belief in God has never been disregarded in medicine and most doctors believe in miracles.
 
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You posted: " has nothing to do with ones behaviour"

Yet it is well known to have a lot to do with one's behavior.
Jeff you seem to have lost the plot a little. This is about Corona Virus. Its got nothing to do with building standards or cooking. My response was to a comment that suggested this is connected to people's sin. Now I understand this is Christian site - but my perspective is that its simply a viral variant that infects regardless of whether think you are sinful or not.
 
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I have asthma and am an EMT. Right now and for the past couple weeks I have been debating whether I should take a leave of absence from work because I am at high risk of serious complications from covid-19. My girlfriend has sjogren's syndrome, an autoimmune disease and is at risk, so I need to be careful not to get it and affect her. My kids have asthma and my mom COPD, plus asthma.

It is not overblown and the precautions that have been and will be are necessary.

I'm a doctor at Nebraska Medicine. Here's what I'm telling my family about COVID-19. | Nebraska Medicine Omaha, NE

Probably as soon as either the state or the country says lock it down is when I will take my leave of absence from work.
 
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At least in the NYC area, and it appears Europe as well, people weren't responding to voluntary measures. The goal is to limit spread to the point where it's within the capacity to handle it. NYC is already getting near the limit. It's a matter of probability. Each person you're with has a certain probability to give it to you or get it from you (since it can spread before you know you have it). Hence it makes sense to keep numbers small.

I think the current approach of ever-growing restrictions with no obvious limit makes panic buying inevitable. Someone needs to say clearly: no, whatever else we do, we can't keep you from getting food. If they did, would you believe them?
This virus has been spreading for weeks under our noses before we started doing anything, so trying to stop the spread now is basically pointless in my opinion.

A good amount of Americans already have it, and most may not even know it. The percentage of deaths related to the virus is also highly inflated, since we're not taking cases with mild or no symptoms into account. If we did, the percentage would be far less than 1%. Can you imagine the panic that would ensue if we mapped out cases of the flu and the amount of deaths from that worldwide? So far it's estimated that there have been between: 22,000 to 55,000 deaths from both strains, over 36,000,000 who have contracted it, and between 370,000 to 670,000 have been hospitalized because of it. And that's just in the U.S. Around 646,000 die from the flu worldwide every year. Most of the fear caused by this corona virus is due to the fact that we don't know much about it, and how the media is responding in obvious hyperbole.

If we really wanted to stop the spread of this thing, or even to help speed up recoveries, then why isn't anyone talking about keeping our immune systems strong? That's a whole lot more effective than just washing our hands, not touching our faces or practicing social distancing - all of which can only do so much. The CDC not even once mentioned how to boost your immune system during this pandemic; the only information I could find was about vaccines. A vaccine is not a perfect solution, and won't be effective later on if the virus continues to mutate.

We keep dropping the ball in addressing this, and it's causing people to freak out more and more, and is wrecking havoc on the economy. There are still ways we can respond to deal with the outbreak, while keep the morale of Americans strong at the same time. This whole situation is just very odd to me.
 
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