The Corona Virus

High Fidelity said:

That's like saying I can't claim fire burns unless I'm a Christian.

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You can claim fire burns whether you are a Christian or not.
Multitudes of people do every day.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

He learned that he unintentionally sinned, and when he repented, he recovered.
This is more common than is published anywhere, like the news? nope the forum? nope the medical publications / nope ---- not usually shared with the public.

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Anecdotal 'evidence' is not evidence. Not by most standards, certainly not by medical standards. That's probably why someone with no relevant experience or credentials has been summarily ignored on a subject in which he has no domain experience, let alone expertise.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

According to the Vice President, and the woman standing with the President today at noon broadcast,
most people are not at risk at all anyway. Not even if they get infected.

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That is truth. Most people will be able to heal at home IF they even get symptoms. It is the people that have other illnesses that are at risk of getting very sick.

You can have a perfectly healthy lifestyle and still get sick if you are exposed to someone who is carrying the virus. Most likely it will be a mild sickness if you even know you are sick.

And people can live very healthy lifestyles and still have genetic or chronic illnesses that make them greater at risk to this virus and others.

However, the only way you can get sick, regardless of your current health status, is to be EXPOSED to the virus. No viral exposure...no sickness. Godly and ungodly with no exposure will all be free from the virus.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

You can claim fire burns whether you are a Christian or not.
Multitudes of people do every day.

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Yes, and I'd be right.

Citing my disbelief in A does not discredit my belief in X.

High Fidelity said:

Nothing to do with artificial fear. I'm am one of the most senior people across the health service regarding infection prevention and control. I've been getting up at 04:30 daily for the first of three national strategy group conference calls with politicians, virologists, epidemiologists, nurses, doctors, microbiologists, you name it. There's nothing artificial about the danger we're facing.

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The President and Vice President of the United States is higher than you are.
And the lady with the President Today on the news at noon making a broadcast.

THEY SAID there's nothing to fear for most of the population - and I think they are correct.

High Fidelity said:

Anecdotal 'evidence' is not evidence. Not by most standards, certainly not by medical standards. That's probably why someone with no relevant experience or credentials has been summarily ignored on a subject in which he has no domain experience, let alone expertise.

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How was he diagnosed with cancer? What evidence was there that he actually had cancer and it wasn't a incorrect diagnosis in a time when there was little testing available to prove cancer.

Sorry HIgh fidelity, I quoted the wrong post

blackribbon said:

However, the only way you can get sick, regardless of your current health status, is to be EXPOSED to the virus. No viral exposure...no sickness. Godly and ungodly with no exposure will all be free from the virus.

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I thought you would know, everyone carries many viruses in their bodies, like chicken pox/ shingles...

What makes you think even more dangerous viruses are not already in everyone ?

Yet they do not get sick, unless their body/ immune system/ is weakened/ compromised.

The exposure is already a done deal, for multitudes.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

THEY SAID there's nothing to fear for most of the population - and I think they are correct.

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Yes, that's right. However that does not mean we ought not take precautions to spare those that aren't in the 'most' from getting it. Not only that, but you could be an athlete with current health problems, catch it and be at an increased risk of fatality. This isn't black and white.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The President and Vice President of the United States is higher than you are.

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If there weren't a problem then they wouldn't be implementing measures that they are.

blackribbon said:

How was he diagnosed with cancer? What evidence was there that he actually had cancer and it wasn't a incorrect diagnosis in a time when there was little testing available to prove cancer.

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Want to argue, or find the truth?
The same techniques have been used since 1920 as Pastor Josephson used/learned.
Very effective and you can use the same techniques today, no one will twist your arm to do so though.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The exposure is already a done deal, for multitudes.

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So your advice is? Carry on as normal and just keep spreading it and let people die.

Got it.

High Fidelity said:

Yes, that's right.

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GOOD ! That's a start !

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The President and Vice President of the United States is higher than you are.
And the lady with the President Today on the news at noon making a broadcast.

THEY SAID there's nothing to fear for most of the population - and I think they are correct.

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I do too. What is your point? It seems to be a mild virus for most people.

High Fidelity said:

So your advice is? Carry on as normal and just keep spreading it and let people die.

Got it.

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ohoh, you gonna spread it to others???

Silly .... QUOTE ME, instead of being silly, okay?

blackribbon said:

I do too. What is your point? It seems to be a mild virus for most people.

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GOOD ! That's a start .....

The truth is not far off, not hidden in the mountains, or under the deep blue sea....

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The same techniques have been used since 1920 as Pastor Josephson used/learned.

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To claim that oncology, diagnostic imaging and medicine hasn't progressed in 100 years is arguably the most ridiculous thing I've heard this year.

There's no point carrying on this conversation. If you wish to place yourself at risk, have at it, but don't impose your ignorance on others when they may be the ones paying with their lives for your mistake.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

GOOD ! That's a start .....

The truth is not far off, not hidden in the mountains, or under the deep blue sea....

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It isn't "a start". It is what I have been saying from the beginning of this "crisis" and in all my posts.

blackribbon said:

It isn't "a start". It is what I have been saying from the beginning of this "crisis" and in all my posts.

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It looked like a start to me - we agreed on that point.

High Fidelity said:

To claim that oncology, diagnostic imaging and medicine hasn't progressed in 100 years is arguably the most ridiculous thing I've heard this year.

There's no point carrying on this conversation. If you wish to place yourself at risk, have at it, but don't impose your ignorance on others when they may be the ones paying with their lives for your mistake.

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Likewise, for your assumptions and mistakes. (learn what they are, and stop imposing them on others)

btw, everything I posted was long ago tested and proven true. Nothing left to chance and no guess work, and no use of something that harms.

Did not someone once say doctors used to go by the oath: "FIRST OF ALL DO NO HARM" .... why was that dropped from practice of hospitals and licenced doctors in the ama ?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Want to argue, or find the truth?
The same techniques have been used since 1920 as Pastor Josephson used/learned.
Very effective and you can use the same techniques today, no one will twist your arm to do so though.

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So he had a sentinal node biopsy, PET Scan, CT scan, microscopic biopsy study, blood work ups...? (what kind of cancer did he have and what stage?)

blackribbon said:

So he had a sentinal node biopsy, PET Scan, CT scan, microscopic biopsy study, blood work ups...? (what kind of cancer did he have and what stage?)

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Ask him. I don't remember those details, which are immaterial anyway, since what he learned FROM THE BIBLE has worked since the BIBLE was written, and worked for him, and worked for many others the last hundred years, without those special treats you like to think are better....