This is a picture of the one-and-only future second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. No, it is a picture of Paul's pretrib rapture. Paul ties the rapture to the Day of the Lord, and we can easily tell that the Day of the Lord, or the Day of His wrath begins at the 6th seal.
What you are missing:
Don't feel bad, for most students of Revelation miss this:
WHEN is the BOOK opened?
What is IN the book?
Notice that the book is described in chapters 5 & 6, and 8, but after the 7th seal is opened the BOOK is opened. Not, John did not write: "now the book is opened." He and the Holy Spirit expect the readers to understand that this EXTREMELY important book is open as soon as all 7 seals are opened. Therefore, what is written after the 7th seal is what is written INSIDE THE BOOK.
Just for teasers, one very important thing written inside the book is HOW and WHEN Satan loses the kingdoms of the world he has held now for 6000 years, and these kingdoms are given to the Christ.
Why am I writing this? Why is this important? You see, may posttribbers, to solve some of their scriptural problems just MOVE the 6th seal to the end, to coincide with the 7th vial that ends the week. When one understands the mail purpose of the seals is to seal the book, then one discovers it is IMPOSSIBLE to move the 6th seal anywhere.
Therefore a good bible student is forced to accept the truth that the Day of the Lord begins before the entire 70th week. A good bible student knows that the rapture is tied to the Day of the Lord by Paul Himself. Therefore, the rapture MUST BE and IS pretrib. There is simply no way for a good student of the bible to come to any other conclusion.
The book of Revelation then is PROOF of a pretrib rapture.
Next, most students of Revelation cannot pinpoint WHERE in Revelation the "trib" or 70th week is. This was the first thing God sent me to find when He pushed me into Revelation.
Just so you CAN know, if you choose to know:
The 7th seal begins the 70th week
The 7th trumpet marks the midpoint
The 7th vial ends the week.
The 70th week then, in Revelation goes from chapter 8 to chapter 16 - while the rapture will take place between the 5th and 6th seals.
Scripture in 1 thes 4 & 5
2 Peter 3:3-13 tells us: “there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
- It’s shows the rescue, deliverance of God’s people.
- It’s shows the total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
- This is the end!
1 Corinthians 15:12-14, 21-24, asking, “how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain…But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his [Gr. parousia]. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”
- This is a picture of the one-and-only future second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
- It’s shows the rescue, deliverance of God’s people.
- It’s shows the total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
- This is the end!
Revelation 6:12-16 relates to the final destruction described in Isaiah 34 to the appearance of the Lord at the second Coming, where the wicked finally receive their reward. The sixth seal says, “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
- This is a picture of the one-and-only future second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
- It’s shows the rescue, deliverance of God’s people.
- It’s shows the total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
- This is the end!
This passage, which is speaking of the exact same scene as 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5, asks a simple question: "who shall be able to stand?” This of course is a rhetorical question: meaning the answer is obvious. Well, it is obvious to those who don't have a theological agenda to impute into the text. No one that is left behind will survive the wrath of God that He pours out on the ungodly on this fateful final day. So rather than rewarding all those that attack Jerusalem by allowing them to inherit the new earth, Christ destroys them and their rebellion.
- This is a picture of the one-and-only future second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
- It’s shows the rescue, deliverance of God’s people.
- It’s shows the total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
- This is the end!
So as to remove any confusion over the full extent of those that will be destroyed who are left behind, the Holy Spirit says: "the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man." Obviously if a human isn't "free" they are "a bondman" (or a slave).
This reading correlates with Revelation 19 and graphically describes the same apocalyptic scene. It shows what awaits those left behind at Christ's Coming. The book of Revelation is like that. It is a recapitulation of events approaching the Second Coming and things that attend it. Here, when the reality of their awful doomed state finally hits them, the wicked hide from the One that has come to destroy. Like Noah and Lot's day, their day of opportunity is gone. Without exceptions, all outside the ark (Christ) at the catching away will be destroyed, whether bond or free.
Revelation 19:11-16 mirrors this passage, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
Verses 17-18 says, “I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The loipoy (or remaining ones) those left behind were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.”
- This is a picture of the one-and-only future second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
- It’s shows the rescue, deliverance of God’s people.
- It’s shows the total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
- This is the end!
If you take this out of the Premil armory there is nothing left. The whole Premil doctrine hangs upon a thin frayed thread. It enjoys no other support in Scripture. It solely and exclusively depends on the correlation and chronology of the Rev 19-20, which clearly doesn't exist.
Revelation 6:12-16 relates to the final destruction described in Isaiah 34 to the appearance of the Lord at the second Coming, where the wicked finally receive their reward. The sixth seal says, “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
This passage, which is speaking of the exact same scene as 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5, asks a simple question: "who shall be able to stand?” This of course is a rhetorical question: meaning the answer is obvious. Well, it is obvious to those who don't have a theological agenda to impute into the text. No one that is left behind will survive the wrath of God that He pours out on the ungodly on this fateful final day. So rather than rewarding all those that attack Jerusalem by allowing them to inherit the new earth, Christ destroys them and their rebellion.
- This is a picture of the one-and-only future second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
- It’s shows the rescue, deliverance of God’s people.
- It’s shows the total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
- This is the end!
So as to remove any confusion over the full extent of those that will be destroyed who are left behind, the Holy Spirit says: "the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man." Obviously if a human isn't "free" they are "a bondman" (or a slave).
This reading correlates with Revelation 19 and graphically describes the same apocalyptic scene. It shows what awaits those left behind at Christ's Coming. The book of Revelation is like that. It is a recapitulation of events approaching the Second Coming and things that attend it. Here, when the reality of their awful doomed state finally hits them, the wicked hide from the One that has come to destroy. Like Noah and Lot's day, their day of opportunity is gone. Without exceptions, all outside the ark (Christ) at the catching away will be destroyed, whether bond or free.
Revelation 19:11-16 mirrors this passage, “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall shepherd them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
Verses 17-18 says, “I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. The loipoy (or remaining ones) those left behind were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.”
If you take this out of the Premil armory there is nothing left. The whole Premil doctrine hangs upon a thin frayed thread. It enjoys no other support in Scripture. It solely and exclusively depends on the correlation and chronology of the Rev 19-20, which clearly doesn't exist.
- This is a picture of the one-and-only future second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.
- It’s shows the rescue, deliverance of God’s people.
- It’s shows the total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
- This is the end!
You have this backwards: it is you who avoid all the impossibles of a posttrib rapture.Once again, you avoid text after text, post after post and argument after argument that forbids your theological doctrine. I refer you back to the many avoided posts that forbid Pretrib. Avoidance seems be your pattern.
Readers, this again is showing us the lack of understanding this writer has of Revelation.Until you take your Premil glasses off, you will never see what the inspired text is actually saying. It prevents you seeing the 7 recaps in Revelation. It causes you to advance beliefs that you are unable to find in the Bible. I prefer what the sacred text says! I refer you back to my last post that totally refutes/forbids your Pretrib belief.
No pretribber assigns any of these 6 things to the Antichrist!Daniel 9:24 predicts, “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to (1) finish the transgression, and to (2) make an end of sins, and to (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, and to (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and to (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, and to (6) anoint the most Holy” (Daniel 9:24).
It is these six things alone that are clearly and deliberately predicted (in Daniel 9) to occur within the 70 weeks – thus “seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to…” Therefore, for one to apply this plain Messianic prophecy to anti-Christ (as Pretribbers do) could justifiably warrant the unenviable charge of peddling with full-blown apostasy. After all, applying something to anti-Christ, which evidently relates alone to the Savior, is gross error.
I don't think all 6 are complete. At least some of they must await the Millennial reign....
All these predictions were perfectly fulfilled in the person of Christ and in His wonderful earthly ministry. He spent 3 ½ years fulfilling every expectation that the Father demanded, from His arrival on the public scene (and His heavenly vindication from the Father after He was baptised) to His atoning death and His victorious resurrection for the grave. All of these predictions have been met in one man – the man Christ Jesus.
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Thanks for posting these verses. Daniel clearly show a gap. I will change the gap area to black print so anyone can see it....
Daniel 9:25-26a says, “Know therefore and understand, that from (1) the going forth of the commandment to (2) restore and to build Jerusalem unto (3) the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.” And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate.”
(1) The first part (7 weeks) relates to the rebuilding of Jerusalem. Good....
(1) The first part (7 weeks) relates to the rebuilding of Jerusalem. The angel said of the first aspect relating to the rebuilding of Jerusalem, in the first seven weeks, “the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.”
(2) The second part (62 weeks) takes up to the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry.
(3) The third part (1 week) commences with the start of Christ’s earthly ministry and sees the crucifixion half way through it (3 ½ yrs). The other 3 ½ yrs saw the Church receive its baptism of fire at Pentecost and enter into the fulfilment of advancing the Gospel – the nations now being open to the Gospel, unlike before.
The question the futurists must answer is, is there any division between the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks?
The answer, of course, is a categorical NO!
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This post is a lot of 25 cent words. When a posttribber has to get down to the actual scriptures and determine the intent of the Author, They have to resort to long words and red herrings.Then, what scriptural warrant is there for, in unprecedented manner, decapitating this harmonious cohesive Messianic prophecy, aimlessly and indefinitely projecting the final week 2000 years+ into the unknown to a supposed end-time 7 year period, when it was perfectly fulfilled in the life and time of our Lord’s ministry, especially when there is absolutely NO corroborated in the New Testament for this 70th week gap-theory. As we have already stated, probably, the most distasteful aspect of this corrupt teaching is how they corruptly attribute it to anti-Christ at the end when it explicitly relates to Christ and His atonement 2000 years ago? To be honest, with this form of hermeneutics you could potentially corrupt any Old Testament passage and apply it to whatever time-period or matter one wishes.
Revelation 6:12-16 relates to the final destruction described in Isaiah 34 to the appearance of the Lord at the second Coming, where the wicked finally receive their reward. The sixth seal says...
- It’s shows the rescue, deliverance of God’s people.
- It’s shows the total destruction - for those left behind. There are no survivors!
- This is the end!
What this post is showing us is the total lack of understanding of the timing of God and the timing of the book of Revelation. Why is this? Because of the timing of the Day of the Lord.
Posttribbers seek to REARRANGE Revelation and place the 6th seal start of the Day of the Lord, at the end of the days of tribulation.
Sorry, posttribbers: IT WON'T WORK. It is a seal sealing the book, and it cannot be moved.
Therefore, what this writer has done is take all sinners off the planet at the 6th seal. That ruins the entire rest of the book. All unbelieving Jews are wiped out. No people to accept the future mark or bow down to the image. NO one therefore to repent, so when God had John write that they did NOT repent, it was only idol words.
Remember, this start of the Day of the Lord is before the entire 70th week or Trib. So no people to take the mark. No people for the winepress of God.
Sorry, posttribbers, but posttrib is all nonsense and cannot be defended by scripture rightly divided and understood.
The text does not in any way demand a gap; the Futurists unilaterally (without any scriptural warrant and for his own reason) chooses to insert one there in order to support his unsound theology. Those who do or condone such are unquestionably gap-theorists.
No, they do not all have to be fulfilled in the first 69. No, they cannot possibly be fulfilled by ANYONE other than Jesus Christ. It is possible some of these 6 things will be fulfilled at the end of the 70th week - still in our future.These 6 things elements must therefore be fulfilled (1) in Messiah, and (2) must come mid-way through the final week. The desolation is not within the 70 weeks, it is the visible result of the fulfilment of numbers 1-6 in the midst of the week i.e. the rendering of the temple’s former use obsolete.
It is an absolute fact and truth that the sacrificed continued right on after the 69 weeks for maybe 40 some years. It is a fact that the Jews will soon have another temple and will again resume animal sacrifices. This is not as terrible as it sounds, for Jesus will have animal sacrifices during the millennial reign of Christ, looking BACK to His work on the cross.What is the greater abomination, rejecting the once all-sufficient sacrifice of Calvary, as the Jews evidently did (and are doing), or abolishing or rejecting any idolatrous animal sacrifices in an imaginary temple? The Pretrib scenario is fanciful anyway as the temple has been (and is being) built – Christ’s body.
There is one coming in the future who will perform an abomination and thereby stop the daily sacrifices. And new abominations will follow. The entire 70th week is still future - but coming soon.The overspreading of abominations” was the rebellious idolatrous continuing of the temple sacrifices by the Jews after they were abolished at Calvary. And despite God allowing them time to repent in the intervening 40-year period (AD 30-AD 70), they stubbornly rebelled. The blasphemous continuing of the old order – the abolished (imperfect) sacrifices – occasioned the destruction of the temple – 40 being a perfect probationary period. When the practising of the temple sacrifices had reached their allotted time-span, God destroyed them and the temple.
This post is a lot of 25 cent words. When a posttribber has to get down to the actual scriptures and determine the intent of the Author, They have to resort to long words and red herrings.
The truth is, God can do anything He wants to do, if He has not previously said something different. If God desired a gap, He could certainly have Daniel write one in - which he did.
The truth is, the 69 weeks followed the 7 weeks with no gap in history. That is the way Daniel wrote it. But another truth is, Daniel Himself inserted a gap between the 69 and 79th week and told us of an event that would happen, which we know is the 70 AD destruction of the temple.
Question for the readers: If Daniel's gap could extend 40 or so years, WHY NOT 2040? Would that be impossible for God? What if God, not willing that any should perish, chose to wait 2000 years before starting the 70th week that will end the church age.
when there is absolutely NO corroborated in the New Testament for this 70th week gap-theory.
Readers take note: it is without question that this writer KNOWs of the 5 mentions of the last half of the week, two given in days, two given in months and one given in years. Yet, this writer chooses to post something he know in his heart is not truth.
We know that one day in the future the man of sin will enter the temple and declare he is the god of the Jews. (He will be in Jewish temple, not in the Vatican, not in some gold plated Buddhist temple or in the dome of the rock. He is imitating the God of the Jews! He is imitating the Jewish messiah.
To be honest, with this form of hermeneutics you could potentially corrupt any Old Testament passage and apply it to whatever time-period or matter one wishes. Yes, with this kind of hermeneutics a pretrib rapture could be shown to come at the end of the trib, not before the beginning where it will be.
The truth is, Daniel Himself, back by the Holy Spirit, inserted a gap in His writing. What is unsound is trying to change what Daniel wrote. WHEN did the city get destroyed? According to Daniel - AFTER the 69 weeks but BEFORE the 70th. This is a gap.
No, they do not all have to be fulfilled in the first 69. No, they cannot possibly be fulfilled by ANYONE other than Jesus Christ. It is possible some of these 6 things will be fulfilled at the end of the 70th week - still in our future.
It is an absolute fact and truth that the sacrificed continued right on after the 69 weeks for maybe 40 some years. It is a fact that the Jews will soon have another temple and will again resume animal sacrifices. This is not as terrible as it sounds, for Jesus will have animal sacrifices during the millennial reign of Christ, looking BACK to His work on the cross.
Case in point: it is IMPOSSIBLE for believers to be worshiping in a human temple: it is limited to one per human. It is impossible for a human to enter another human's temple and declare he or she is God. These things require a "brick and mortar" temple.
There is one coming in the future who will perform an abomination and thereby stop the daily sacrifices. And new abominations will follow. The entire 70th week is still future - but coming soon.
This post is a lot of 25 cent words. When a posttribber has to get down to the actual scriptures and determine the intent of the Author, They have to resort to long words and red herrings.
The truth is, God can do anything He wants to do, if He has not previously said something different. If God desired a gap, He could certainly have Daniel write one in - which he did.
The truth is, the 69 weeks followed the 7 weeks with no gap in history. That is the way Daniel wrote it. But another truth is, Daniel Himself inserted a gap between the 69 and 79th week and told us of an event that would happen, which we know is the 70 AD destruction of the temple.
Question for the readers: If Daniel's gap could extend 40 or so years, WHY NOT 2040? Would that be impossible for God? What if God, not willing that any should perish, chose to wait 2000 years before starting the 70th week that will end the church age.
when there is absolutely NO corroborated in the New Testament for this 70th week gap-theory.
Readers take note: it is without question that this writer KNOWs of the 5 mentions of the last half of the week, two given in days, two given in months and one given in years. Yet, this writer chooses to post something he know in his heart is not truth.
We know that one day in the future the man of sin will enter the temple and declare he is the god of the Jews. (He will be in Jewish temple, not in the Vatican, not in some gold plated Buddhist temple or in the dome of the rock. He is imitating the God of the Jews! He is imitating the Jewish messiah.
To be honest, with this form of hermeneutics you could potentially corrupt any Old Testament passage and apply it to whatever time-period or matter one wishes. Yes, with this kind of hermeneutics a pretrib rapture could be shown to come at the end of the trib, not before the beginning where it will be.
Isaiah 34:1-4, 8: “Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree … For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.”
This is total destruction - for those left behind. Anyway, demons are not dissolved in Premil, they saturate its alleged future millennium 1,000 yrs after the second coming.
Revelation 6:13-17 records: “And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, andhide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
This is talking about the topography of the physical earth and starry host being totally destroyed. There are no survivors!
Isaiah 34 is speaking about the physical change that affects the earth, heavens and elements when Jesus comes. Premil has to often change the meaning of Hebrew and Greek words in order to get that doctrine to fit. Premil explains away the literal meaning of text after text and replaces with its alternative definition. This is not the way that Scripture should be approached. This is classic eisegesis. There is so much Scripture that forbids the Premil theory that Premil is forced to spiritualize away the clearest and most literal of Scripture, ironically it literalizes the one book that is the most symbolic in Scripture (Revelation). This alone is grounds to reject the doctrine.
You have yet to do this for us all.Instead of your constant avoidance, and extra-biblical Pretrib theories, what future event do you believe will:
(1) "finish the transgression"?
(2) "make an end of sins"?
(3) "make reconciliation for iniquity"?
(4) "bring in everlasting righteousness"?
(5) "seal up the vision and prophecy"?
(6) "anoint the most Holy”?
And exactly in what way will this be accomplished? Please answer this last question individually for points 1-6.
No! Daniel shows us that the 70 AD event was between the 69th week and the future 70th week.Daniel 9:2 says: “In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplication, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes.”
Are these seventy years linear, congruent and sequential?
You have yet to do this for us all.
Anyway, the answers to these questions will not make a pretrib rapture magically switch to posttrib. We have proven over and over that a postrib rapture won't work.
No! Daniel shows us that the 70 AD event was between the 69th week and the future 70th week.
