What are the BIG things in the Bible we must accept as Christians? (Please no debating or criticism)

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So you do continue in sin, without repentance then...... ?

Of course not! When I sin and I know I have sinned, I repent of that sin.

But if I sin under the law, which is breaking one of the commandments I'm observing, there is no grace to keep me.

Paul plainly tells us that grace cannot include works of any kind.

Rom. 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
 
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Paul plainly tells us that grace cannot include works of any kind.

Rom. 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Note: NOT SAVED BY WORKS.

But saved FOR WORKS prepared before the world was created, for us to DO.
 
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Of course not! When I sin and I know I have sinned, I repent of that sin.

But if I sin under the law, which is breaking one of the commandments I'm observing, there is no grace to keep me.
So when you sin,
do not sin under the law... ?

You still did not say if you sin on purpose.
 
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Rather everyone in Christ Jesus is created and saved for good works prepared by the Father Yahweh before He created the world.

I've read your posts from the past, I know you observe laws along with your faith.

Exactly what Paul told us not to do and can't be done.
 
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I've read your posts from the past, I know you observe laws along with your faith.

Exactly what Paul told us not to do and can't be done.
So now you mis-interpret as well as carry false judgments about me and about yourself ?

I believe that is contrary to Jesus.

Did you know I do not run red lights , not willingly anyway.
If I do, willingly or not, I am subject to fines.

I do not commit adultery. Jesus did not commit adultery. hmmm....

That is honoring Torah, as Jesus says to do. (and all the Apostles)
 
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So now you mis-interpret as well as carry false judgments about me and about yourself ?

I believe that is contrary to Jesus.

Did you know I do not run red lights , not willingly anyway.
If I do, willingly or not, I am subject to fines.

I do not commit adultery. Jesus did not commit adultery. hmmm....

That is honoring Torah, as Jesus says to do. (and all the Apostles)

You are deceiving yourself by thinking through these laws, you can do it yourself, you can't.

That is what Paul is telling us, the Spirit keeps us from sin through our faith in Christ.

That is grace! It is no longer grace when your will-power takes over to obey the laws and commandments of Christ.
 
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You are deceiving yourself by thinking through these laws, you can do it yourself, you can't.
You NEVER showed me nor anyone else claim to believe we can do it through the law.

So what prompted your false posts ?
 
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That is grace! It is no longer grace when your will-power takes over to obey the laws and commandments of Christ.

It is a gift from Yahweh even to desire seeking Him , even to think of turning to Him.
If your will-power takes over /
if your will-power stays in charge of your own life,

then Jesus is not Lord.

If your will-power decides NOT to obey Jesus, NOT to obey the Father,

then what ? Then you would continue in sin, fallen.

With your will, you decide whether to run a red light or not.
With your own will, God given free will, you decide whether to think of stealing constantly or not.

With your own free will, (unless oppressed by the devil),
you decide to commit sexual sin, or not to even consider it !
 
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The same Apostle noted that (some of ) the Corinthians CHOSE to live in the flesh, sinning.
Instead of being spirit led.

That is what Paul is telling us, the Spirit keeps us from sin through our faith in Christ.

The Spirit of Yahweh may not prevent you from sinning IF YOU CHOOSE TO SIN.

The Father may let you SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES !
 
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You NEVER showed me nor anyone else claim to believe we can do it through the law.

So what prompted your false posts ?

Read the OP in this thread. That list is law, man-made law.

Observing that list places you under the law, you are no longer under grace.

When you fail in these observed laws, you are condemned, because there is no grace to sustain you.
 
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OK, there are 1050 commandments of Christ in scripture. If you live by just one of these you are obligated to keep all.

The 1,050 New Testament Commands comes from Finnis Jennings Dake. But he actually left some stuff out and he did not number stuff correctly because he grouped things together by verbs (Like: "be," "be not's," "consider," "beware," and "awake," etc., and he did not list the commands on how they actually appeared in the text normally). He also allowed for repetition to take place, as well. So there are commands that are repeated, as well. Christian Assemblies International had taken this list almost as if it was their own and they do not provide a source link in one of their PDF links, and their website link of his commands has Dake mentioned in extremely small print at the bottom of the page.

1,050 New Testament Commands | Christian Assemblies International

Granted, Dake's had some wrong heretical views about God, and the Incarnation. So maybe Christian Assemblies in Australia wanted to distance themselves from him. Not all commands are applicable to all people, either. There are commands that are for husbands and wives, and yet not everybody is married.

I have been studying the New Testament commands for the past few years. I have discovered that there are approximately 400 explicit or direct New Testament commands that apply to all believers (who live out their faith). Do you care to do such a study? My guess is that there is no real point for you to do such a study because you don't need to obey God as a part of salvation. Just live how you please and be your own Lord and master. You got your golden ticket to Heaven by having a belief alone on Jesus for salvation. What else is there? But I wouldn't want to be you come judgment day if this is your way of thinking. I am honestly afraid for you. But people believe what they do for their own reasons.

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James said if you break one commandment you are guilty of all.

You don't know how many times "Sin and Still Be Saved Salvationists" have wrongfully quoted James 2:10 to me out of its context to me. Let's just say it is a lot, and it is rather sad because they are not reading the surrounding verses to get the context but they are just blindly quoting James 2:10 from their own slanted view within a vacuum.

The point James was making was not that we are helpless to keep all of God’s laws, his point was that if a believer breaks the Royal law of love by not loving their brother in giving favor to the rich brethren and showing no favor to the poor brethren (James 2:1-9) then their faith is like that of demons (James 2:19) with no visible fruit that one has a genuine faith (James 2:18). For faith without works is dead (James 2:17). Breaking the Royal law of loving your neighbor (your brother) is the reference to “if you break one law in one point, you break them all.” James is referring to the Royal Law of love (i.e. the work of love that shows one loving faith towards the Savior). The offend in one point is in reference to the breaking of the law of loving your brother or neighbor (and not just any law).

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There is no difference in keeping the law of Moses and the commandments of Christ.

Then you don't believe the commandment or Law in 1 John 3:23 relates to salvation?

"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:23).

In other words, do you not hold to the view that believing in Jesus is for salvation?
If so, then you are saved by keeping a commandment of Jesus Christ. You are saved on some level by keeping God's command. Well, that is if you believe 1 John 3:23 in what it says.

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His commandments came from the law, the same thing.

Some of them did... yes; But not all of them... no.
Did you glaze over my post to you before like a glazed donut?
I mentioned that verse from Jesus about how He gave us a NEW commandment.
Are you even aware of this verse in Scripture?
Doesn't seem like you are. Jesus said He gave us a NEW commandment. New does not mean it is still the old one. Hello?

You said:
If you live by law you will die by law.

First off, your not quoting any exact reference from Scripture. No verse says if you live by the Law you will die by the Law. The closest is Romans 8:2 that says, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Galatians 3:10 says For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse." But the "law of sin and death" mentioned in Romans 8:2 is the Law of Moses. The "works of the Law" in Galatians 3:10 is in reference to the Law of Moses. Paul is not referring to New Covenant commands that comes from Jesus and His followers.

Second, if you believe that living according to any Law of God means death: Then I guess your out of luck because 1 John 3:23 that tells us to believe in Jesus is a commandment. So is this a contradiction in the Bible? No. Is 1 John 3:23 written incorrectly? No. Of course not. But I can imagine you have either:

(a) Chosen to ignore 1 John 3:23, or
(b) You have found an interpretation on 1 John 3:23 that completely re-writes what it says plainly.
 
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Read the OP in this thread. That list is law, man-made law.

Observing that list places you under the law, you are no longer under grace.

When you fail in these observed laws, you are condemned, because there is no grace to sustain you.

Right, and you have to prove that the things in my list are man made laws not based in Scripture. I would say you have not read your New Testament if you are making such a claim or you have chosen interpretations that completely by-pass what Scripture plainly says.
 
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When you fail in these observed laws, you are condemned, because there is no grace to sustain you.
Wrong.
Everyone fails. Yet is everyone condemned ?
You fail , are you condemned ? (positive expectation no, but you won't answer so far)

Does God withdraw His Grace when someone runs a red light ?

Does God withdraw His Grace when someone steals ?

Does God withdraw is Grace when someone DOES NOT COMMIT ADULTERY !?!?
How bizarre !

Does God withhold His Grace when anyone refuses to take part in IDOLATRY?
or
Does God say clearly not to commit idolatry ? Not to commit adultery ?

What do YOU DO ? What God Says to DO? Or what the enemy/ the flesh/ says to DO?
 
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Jesus always observed the LAw, TORAH, and trained all of His followers to do so to.

That's because He was under the law just as any other man, Jesus was the last prophet under the law.

That's why Paul was given almost 1/3 of the NT scripture, to explain the law and grace.

The New Covenant is still law keeping but not by our doing, it's by the Spirit's doing through faith in what Christ did at Calvary.
 
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Right, and you have to prove that the things in my list are man made laws not based in Scripture. I would say you have not read your Bible if you are making such a claim or you have chosen interpretations that completely by-pass what Scripture plainly says.
I did not even think of that prospect, that he simply did not read what the Bible says;

that makes sense though, that someone else told him, and he did not find out, what the Bible says, and they misled him grievously.
 
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