Why Can't I Drink Blood?

dqhall said:

God has done a wonderful thing. God has tamed Gentile Christians.

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Where ? ? !

renniks said:

Nope. No one even knew what bacteria was then. When he said " every creature" no one would have thought. " Oh, that includes bacteria. "
That's probably why he originally gave so many rules about what foods they could eat, because of lack of food preservation and no knowledge of germs and bacteria.

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So God knew about bacteria, and things like that ?

HARK! said:

LOL! What did YHWH tell the dinosaurs?



That's a good question. How does does one explain this dichotomy? This is why I bailed on starting a public congregation just a few months ago. I touched on some of my thoughts with you last night. I don't want to get into it now. Too many weak of faith here right now.



Weren't the Nephilim eating meat?

Weren't they a corruption of YHWH's intentions for his creation?

I'm thinking out loud here. I don't have all the answers. That is why I felt it best not to lead a congregation right now.

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They were wicked, but it doesn't really say what sins the Nephilim were known for.

Based on Leviticus 11 and the fact that Jesus, Himself, prepared a breakfast of fish for the disciples, it would not be a sin for you to add some clean meat to your diet seeing as you are sort of Messianic. And if not, you should not teach that it would be a sin. God did change our diet to include meat at some point, and I, personally, still believe it was to Noah. We never did get into what I believe is the complete issue of meat and why diet changed so many times. It was for spiritual reasons.



1. In the beginning in Genesis 1 man and animals were all vegetarians. No sin, no death.

2. Man sinned, but even so God never wrote a different mandate for diet for man and animals until Genesis 9 to Noah. This was the time when there was no law and everyone was alike. (Except the Nephilim) Offerings to God were clean animals so it is implied what constituted a clean animal, but not why other animals were considered unclean.

3. The law came and one nation was designated as God's chosen people. IOW like the clean animals. Unclean animals were likened to the Gentiles. The Jews were to only marry other Jews and remain separate.

Leviticus 20:25-26

You shall therefore distinguish between clean animals and unclean, between unclean birds and clean, and you shall not make yourselves abominable by beast or by bird, or by any kind of living thing that creeps on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean.

And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.

4. The preaching of the gospel now includes Gentiles, who were once considered unclean. Acts 10. Here again God gives a diet mandate. “What God has cleansed you must not call common.”

5. Therefore, we go back to the diet laws given to Noah. 1 Timothy 4: foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Just now while looking up some Bible verses I found one that might help you. I never knew this was even here or what it implies until you brought up insects. I'll tell you what I think anyway. It has to do with the word "creeps" and it doesn't always mean insect, but ambush - killers, carnivores. Leviticus 11:41-42
41 ‘And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be an abomination. It shall not be eaten. 42 Whatever crawls on its belly (snakes and reptiles), whatever goes on all fours (animals/meat eaters), or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

So God knew about bacteria, and things like that ?

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Of course, kinda goes with the territory when you create everything and maintain it all.

chilehed said:

You can.


That was a prudential judgement given by the Church at time and that place, in order to avoid scandal. It was abrogated long ago.

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By whom? The Orthodox Church still keeps it..

HARK! said:

I 'd be happy to prove you to be correct; but i can't.

Here's what I have.

Mark 7:16

MT/TR: If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!
CT: Verse omitted

List of major textual variants in the New Testament - Wikipedia


(CLV) Mk 7:15
Nothing is there outside of a man, going into him, which can contaminate him, but those things going out of a man are what is contaminating the man.


For those who say that this verse applies to drinking blood; I'd say the translation is just fine; that it's their interpretation that's all wrong.

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What do you mean? In the Greek it is "purging".

HARK! said:

The 1 Book of Enoch supports this:

7
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And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms
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and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they
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became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed
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all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against
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them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
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fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

Some say that the 1st book of Enoch isn't valid.

Jude would seem to indicate otherwise:

(CLV) Ju 1:14
Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesies to these also, saying, "Lo! the Lord came among ten thousand of His saints,

(CLV) Ju 1:15
to do judging against all, and to expose all the irreverent concerning all their irreverent acts in which they are irreverent, and concerning all the hard words which irreverent sinners speak against Him."

There were more copies of 1 Enoch found at Qumran than copies of Genesis.

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I believe most of 1 Enoch, but they say it has been added to, but what I don't know. But I agree with your post.

HARK! said:

Other Jews, do you mean of the tribe of Judah? What about the other tribes? It couldn't be other believers? What about all of the Egyptians who came out of Egypt with Moses? How does Ruth fit in?

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Of course there were proselytes, but they believed in Jehovah, and not their false idols. Ruth said to Naomi, "and your God shall be my God."

HARK! said:

Wasn't it that way from the beginning? Again, the Egyptians entered covenant through Moses; and then there is the story of Ruth. These are the ones we know about.

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Jesus didn't preach to Gentiles, though some had faith in him like the Centurion and the woman who said even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the table.

Luke 2:34 says “Behold, this Child is destined for the fall and rising of many in Israel"

HARK! said:

(CLV) Gn 9:3
Every moving animal that is alive, shall be yours for food; as with the green herbage, I give to you everything.

How can this be?

Here is, supposedly, the Hebrew original script, from left to right.

את כל יִהְיֶה לְאָכְלָה כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם כָּל רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא חַי לָכֶם

Here are the CLV translations word for word.

to·you living he which moving (animal) every-of to·you I-give herbage as·green for·food he-is-becoming all

Now it appears that the word "animal" was added by the translator. If that word hadn't been added by the translator; it would seem that this verse might be saying:

"To you who lives, he which moves, I give green herbage for food. He is becoming all?"

So I looked up each word with Google Hebrew translator. Here's what I get:

to you
He lives
which
insect?
all
to you
I gave
grass
A vegetable
For eating
will be
all

רֶמֶשׂ
insect, bug
Morfix Dictionary | רֶמֶשׂ באנגלית | פירוש רֶמֶשׂ בעברית
רֶמֶשׂ
insect
רֶמֶשׂ - Translation into English - examples Hebrew | Reverso Context

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Did you copy and paste this? we already went over this

HARK! said:

Well good. Maybe you will be able to see my point. I haven't made it yet.

Now, YHWH floods out the planet to kill off the wicked, because they are devouring each other, devouring his vegetarian creation. Noah was different; so he was spared. Now first thing after Noah gets off the boat; after YHWH has wiped out so much wickedness; what does YHWH tell Noah? Go ahead and do what I just wiped out most of my living creation for doing? Really?

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The way I read 1 Enoch they were devouring human flesh. They were cannibals.

HARK! said:

OK

What about the rest?

the giants turned against
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them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
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fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

How were they sinning against these other animals?

Was it a sin to eat them? So then YHWH tells Noah to eat them?

What do think of all of the twisted depictions that we see of man and beast mixed, carved in stone, in multiple cultures? I suspect that the Nephilim were altering DNA, in ways that Genesis doesn't describe in detail.

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When I read that a long time ago, I thought it was perverted sex, like beastiology.