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Wow! It is amazing how you have this all figured out to eliminate a pretrib rapture!You really don't understand how you convict yourself with that above statement, do you?
Our Lord Jesus' answer shows the 1st one taken is NOT to Him!
And evidently, you have yet to understand that the idea of 'fowls' are sometimes used as a symbol for Satan's host (Luke 8:5 and Luke 8:12).
The Matthew 24:28 verse has the idea of a dead "carcase" being where the eagles (fowls) are gathered. Thus the eagles are put for fowls eating a dead carcase. And the Greek word for a dead carcase is in the NT manuscripts.
So the Left-Behind idea the pre-trib rapture school teaches is BACKWARDS. It's those who are left behind that represent Christ's Church.
The two women grinding, the one left keeps on working. That represents those in Christ staying faithful, like "a chaste virgin", waiting on Christ, and continuing in His Work. That is how Jesus expects to find us when He comes.
Are you saying that matthew 24 is chronological? I doubt that seriously!
The next problem I have is this: Matthew 24 is not about the rapture of the church! If we look at all three versions of the Olivet discourse, Jesus mentioned synagogues. Christians don't go to synagogues. This chapter is talking about the 70th week (the abomination at the midpoint) and then His coming AFTER the week.
Sorry, but the rapture of the church is before the week, so IN CONTEXT none of the taking and left behind fits the rapture. It fits His coming to Armageddon as in Rev. chapter 19. Since Jesus will be busy with the battle of Armageddon, I think it better fits the parable of the tares. As Jesus descends, one of the armies of heaven are sent to perform the parable of the tares. (I personally believe Matthew 24 Is chronological up to verse 35.
However, IF the Olivet discourse is not chronological (at least in these verses) and Jesus is just making comments of the end, suppose He did mention a taking of the saints in the rapture (paralambono) and'or in the parable of the tares. Who is to say which is which? Both verse 40 and 41 in Matthew 24 use paralambono. In Luke both verses 35 and 36 use the word Paralambono.
Therefore, either that word can be used for taking to be destroyed or taking in the rapture - or all of these "taking's is about the rapture.
(Matthew)27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
(Luke) 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” 37 “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
In Matthew 24:28 Jesus could well be referring to the millions of soldiers that will die at Armageddon. That would be at the right time.
If these verses were self explanatory, all would agree. They are not so there is much disagreement. It is good there is someone like you that has it down!
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