tdidymas
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You're trying to derail the conversation with an irrelevant question.Slick dodge.
Sounds to me like you're changing your tune, because you were very adamant that atheists could understand the gospel, and now you say soul and spirit are different.I said:
" Of course there is a distinction. Heb 4:12 says so clearly.
You really do fail to understand what I post. I've never suggested that they are the same. Why in the world would you conclude that from my posts?"
Why do you equate soul and spirit with fleshly and spiritual understanding?
I conclude that you don't understand either the soul or spirit. Please explain the difference between them. Heb 4:12 makes clear they ARE different.
The soul is the heart of man, and it is fleshly by nature, proven by Jer. 17:9 and Rom. 3:10-18.
The spirit is the realm of God, in which He either directs the spirit of man (in the case of born again Christians), or doesn't (in the case of the reprobate, who are dead in sin).
Therefore, the soul of man (his fleshly nature) may be able to reason things out by his intellect, but may have no connection to God, and therefore doesn't know Him. In order for man to have spiritual understanding of God, he must have a personal revelation (or illumination) of God and of the nature of his relationship with Him. If God is in a person willing and doing His purpose (Phil. 2:13), that person is being led by the Holy Spirit, and thus is a child of God (Rom. 8:14).
That's part of the "change of mind" that 'repents' includes. The Holy Spirit convicts of sin. It doesn't require regeneration.[/quote]
This is where our paths diverge. God must change the disposition of a person's heart before that person can repent in the NT sense.
The sovereign determination and foreknowledge of God, in which He sovereignly chose specific people to bring into eternal communion with Himself. This is the meaning in context of Eph. 1 and Rom. 8.Please explain what "predestination" is.
This is where our paths diverge.I can prove from Scripture that NONE of the 5 points are biblical. btw, none of them even include salvation. Well, the "U" does, but it's totally in error. Election isn't about being chosen for salvation. It's all about service. Easily provable.
And still do.lol. You sure thought so.
And here again do you confuse fleshly and spiritual understanding. Paul is talking about spiritual understanding in this passage. But you refuse to acknowledge it. If a 5-year-old hears the gospel and obeys, they have understanding. If a college professor can parrot the gospel message, but doesn't obey it, he doesn't understand it. Period.Show me where "it" refers to the simple gospel message of salvation.
Yet more misunderstanding. I think you're doing it deliberately.I know it. From the context.
Total confusion. All humans are born sinners, period. We sin because we are sinners. And gettint saved doesn't remove the fact that we will still sin if you thought so.
He is referring to the time prior to his conversion, and not to his present condition.I recommend that you study Paul more carefully.
1 Tim 1-
15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.
16 But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.
Twice Paul referred to himself as the worst of sinners.
James is writing to those in the church who might not be born again, and to those in the church who through their fleshly minds have been persuaded to stray from the truth.Could you explain what you think this verse says?
I think I'm done with this conversation at this point.I do see your own confusion. And I do understand what Paul said.
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