The Museum of the Bible's 'Dead Sea Scrolls' are all forgeries

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I am not commenting so as to avoid the inevitable report that would be made.....

Oh, now I see that civilwarbuff's questions was directly in relation with the date of the Flood. AIG has an answer for that, too. With handy scriptural references.

Table 1: Dates of biblical events from Creation
Event/Person Passage Total Time from Creation (years)
God created everything. Genesis 1–2 0
Adam became the father of Seth at 130. Genesis 5:3 0 + 130 = 130
Seth became the father of Enosh at 105. Genesis 5:6 130 + 105 = 235
Enosh became the father of Kenan at 90. Genesis 5:9 235 + 90 = 325
Cainan became the father of Mahalalel at 70. Genesis 5:12 325 + 70 = 395
Mahalalel became the father of Jared at 65. Genesis 5:15 395 + 65 = 460
Jared became the father of Enoch at 162. Genesis 5:18 460 + 162 = 622
Enoch became the father of Methuselah at 65. Genesis 5:21 622 + 65 = 687
Methuselah became the father of Lamech at 187. Genesis 5:25 687 + 187 = 874
Lamech became the father of Noah at 182. Genesis 5:28 874 + 182 = 1056
The Flood started when Noah was 600. Genesis 7:6 1056 + 600 = 1656 [years after creation]


Using the Bible, well-documented historical events, and some math, we find that the Flood began approximately 4,359 years ago in the year 1656 AM or 2348 BC.
 
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God created everything. Genesis 1–2 0
So, when did God create everything and how long was it empty before Adam and how long was Adam and Eve in the Garden?.....that's a good place to start.....
 
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So, when did God create everything

The Bible—The Basis for Ussher’s Work
Studying Ussher’s line of thinking as he arrived at his conclusion—creation on October 23, 4004 BC—provides food for thought to this very day.


and how long was it empty before Adam

Just a few days, as I recall.

and how long was Adam and Eve in the Garden?

I dunno, but he was 130 when Seth was born, so I don't see that it matters.
 
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The Bible—The Basis for Ussher’s Work
Studying Ussher’s line of thinking as he arrived at his conclusion—creation on October 23, 4004 BC—provides food for thought to this very day.
But no date......
Just a few days, as I recall.
The verse to support your supposed conclusion?
I dunno, but he was 130 when Seth was born, so I don't see that it matters.
Hmmmm....from an atheist that is quite the admission that Seth even existed.....but yes, it matters. How long was Adam and Eve in the garden? Are you counting from the time they were placed there or the time of sin when death entered the world?
 
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But no date......

4004 BC is a date.

The verse to support your supposed conclusion?

It all happened between Day One and Day Six, right? There's only a few days difference at most.

Hmmmm....from an atheist that is quite the admission that Seth even existed...

No, we are discussing what the Bible says, not what I believe.

..but yes, it matters. How long was Adam and Eve in the garden? Are you counting from the time they were placed there or the time of sin when death entered the world?

Most people count their age from the day they were born. I don't know what the authors of the Bible thought, but it looks as though Ussher is using the same common understanding of what 'years old' means.
 
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But no date......
Jews call it the year 0.

The verse to support your supposed conclusion?
The first book of Genesis. Many biblical literalists (including those at the source essentialsaltes is using, Answers in Genesis) insist that a literal interpretation of that book requires one to accept that the days of creation were six standard 24-hour days. Why don't you?

Hmmmm....from an atheist that is quite the admission that Seth even existed.....but yes, it matters. How long was Adam and Eve in the garden? Are you counting from the time they were placed there or the time of sin when death entered the world?
No need to be snarky. We are accepting the literalists' assumptions arguendo in order to understand their dating.
 
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4004 BC is a date.
Not in the Bible it isn't....not sure what book you are looking to....
It all happened between Day One and Day Six, right? There's only a few days difference at most.
Did God tell you that?....or are you just guessing?
No, we are discussing what the Bible says, not what I believe.
Hey, you are the one that quoted the Bible....
but it looks as though Ussher is using the same common understanding of what 'years old' means.
Why don't you go ask him?
 
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Jews call it the year 0.
Where do the call it that?....not in the books Moses wrote, that's for sure.
The first book of Genesis. Many biblical literalists (including those at the source essentialsaltes is using, Answers in Genesis) insist that a literal interpretation of that book requires one to accept that the days of creation were six standard 24-hour days
And where does it say that in Genesis?.....cuz I must'a missed that paragraph......
No need to be snarky. We are accepting the literalists' assumptions arguendo in order to understand their dating.
Ahhhhh.....WE....so finally you admit you are an atheist?
 
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Not in the Bible it isn't....not sure what book you are looking to....

If you'll recall, this all started with you asking what Biblical evidence Ussher used in his determination of biblical chronology. This is all spelled out in Ussher's book, and AIG has provided several summaries of how it was done using genealogies.

Did God tell you that?....or are you just guessing?

It's what the Genesis text says on a plain reading.

Hey, you are the one that quoted the Bible....

That's right, because you asked for the biblical evidence that Ussher used to make his chronology. I provided some of that. By quoting it.

Why don't you go ask him?

He's dead, but his analysis was written down in his book, and it is quoted approvingly by many modern Christians. Most young earth creationists won't stray more than a century or two from his analysis of the biblical evidence.
 
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Where do the call it that?....not in the books Moses wrote, that's for sure.
They date their calendar from "the beginning." By the Jewish reckoning it is now the year 5780 since creation.

And where does it say that in Genesis?.....cuz I must'a missed that paragraph......
By using a Hebrew word for "day" which pretty much means exactly that. It's a real stretch to make it stand for longer periods of time.

Ahhhhh.....WE....so finally you admit you are an atheist?
LOL! You wish. No, my faith in Christ is intact. But I feel safer around atheists than I do around right-wing Evangelicals.
 
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